High Pressure Aeroponics

dstroy said:

You posted pics of empty tubs? From 420mag? And from a diy website?

What’s that supposed to prove?

..... it proves nothing.

Except that whoever set up the tent with the yellow extension cord might get shocked for being careless.

Note that I have one giant plant in a 5 gallon bucket in my 4x4 so there goes your 18 gallon container minimum. As long as you have adequate drainage or an air gap so the roots don’t sit in water, which they would in that 18 gal tote.

You’re such a

Stop posting on subjects that you know little to nothing about.

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linuxman said:

You simply can not logically and practically grow a full grown cannabis plant on a 5 gallon bucket. You need at least a 30 gallon container for each cannabis plant. The roots will literally outgrow the 5 gallon bucket and the mist will never reach roots thats deep below and get root rot.

In DWC you can use a 5 gallon bucket. In aeroponics you can grow maybe only one large cola on a 5 gallon bucket practically.

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dstroy said:

No one needs your misguided inexperienced supposition. You can go take a look at what I'm growing in one five gallon bucket per space, right now.

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linuxman said:

I rather not waste my time for silly HPA systems. Not even NASA would do such thing for a large plant like cannabis. I know I tried it been there done it, was not optimal for me. If it works for you thats awesome.
The best grows I have seen over the past decade was all done in large big containers 30+ gallons.
I know growers regretted using a single 5 gallon bucket, it was better to stack them on top of each other, something similar to a large tall garbage waste bin.

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dstroy said:

Yeah there’s no reason to stack, it’s a waste of vertical space and more labor intensive to clean. Big containers are good for more than one plant, we’re not vegging for months. In fact, the most compelling reason to use HPA is to reduce vegging time by an absurd amount, so your theory of needing a large container is incorrect. You need a properly sized container for your workflow. They shouldn’t be in there for more than 90 days, really more like 75.

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linuxman said:

When I first used a 5 gallon bucket for HPA, in 3 weeks the plant's roots was already covering and sitting at the bottom of the bucket collecting all the waste nutrients as it drained. The bottom roots was not receiving any kind of proper hydro atomized nutrients since it was covered by more roots on top of it.

This completely violates the concept and theory of True Aeroponics, a true aeroponics system utilizes hydro atomized nutrients at 50 microns range and the roots must not touch any chamber surfaces, all the roots needs to be suspended in air. This is how NASA describes their true aeroponics system.

Hence the bigger the chamber the better the plant will grow. The hydro atomized water droplets must equally hit all surfaces of the roots from top to bottom. Theres no way a tiny 5 gallon bucket could do that for a grown cannabis plant into flowering stage, therefore it's not classified scientifically as a "true aeroponics system". Although for most of home growers its not practical have such wealth of space available, but some folks are fortunate to have large space to utilize 50-70 gallon totes.

I'm not saying it's impossible that a HPA system can grow on a 5 gallon bucket, it sure can be done, all I'm saying is that its not the proper way to implement a true aeroponics system.
I'm sure you can fit 50 people in a common sedan going to Disney world, but it's obviously better to fit 50 people in a large bus.
You will definitely not get any better results in yield and growth of HPA done on a 5 gallon chamber as compared to a 50-70 gallon chambers.

Cleaning is super easy if you're smart about it, just rinse the chambers with a strong chlorine solution for disinfection/sterilization and then wash it down with a garden hose, if for whatever reason the garden hose does not wash out any finicky roots or debris stuck at the surface of the chamber just use an electric portable pressure washer which you can easily buy from amazon for less than $90 for a powerful 1,300 PSI, wash it down.
Super easy, no labor needed to bend down, scrub or brush, put any effort of heavy elbow grease work, thats a thing of the past, it's 2022 no one does that anymore. Use science to your advantage.

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dstroy said:

I’m real tired of people who aren’t growing using HPA trying to tell me how to do it successfully. I’m already doing it, it’s not my fault you couldn’t figure out how to do it this way. Arguing with my proven results does nothing. There’s a ton of misinformation on HPA, some of which you are repeating as if it were fact.

This is what my plants look like:
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I know how to feed them and set up their environment correctly, I know what I am talking about. These are in 5 gallon buckets.

What do your HPA plants look like?

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linuxman said:

Im just saying what NASA said that’s all.

Looks like your 5 gallon bucket does seem to work for you. Im not surprised, I know it will work.

But I can bet that a 5 gallon bucket will never be as good compared to 30 gallon containers for the same tent size when yield, potency, growth rate and other variables are in the equation.

Im doing a grow right now, in the process of growing a mother plant.
Few more weeks until I setup the HPA system.
I’ll be using what NASA uses, real HPA nozzle misters engineered by NASA scientists, bought them straight from “Agrihouse”.

I’m going to do a test between a 5 gallon bucket and a 30 gallon container HPA for a single plant and see which one gives more yield, growth rate and other variables. Will be interesting.
Will put a time lapse camera and each container will use the same clone.
Also planning to do a test with low pressure aeroponics as well with the same clone.

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dstroy said:

You aren’t saying what NASA is saying don’t be ridiculous, you have some ideas and that’s great but you’re new and I can tell because your mom plant looks like it wants to jump out of its overwatered soda can pot and run out of its foil covered Amazon box lit by a 20 watt cfl.

Have you bought and read the encyclopedia that agrihouse sells? Did you realize that nozzles other than the ones that agrihouse sells are capable of producing droplets of the correct size range over a wider pressure range?

Can you please stop acting like your gut feelings mean something? Put up or shut up.

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linuxman said:

Oh god... you sound like a little 7 year old. There are plenty of experienced growers who uses anything to pop some beans. I'm just "obviously" and "temporally" using what I have in hand to pop some beans.
That has absolutely nothing to do if I am experienced or not in regards to describing someone who is in complete denial what a true aeroponics system is.

What is your problem my guy? Why does your 7 year old mind completely forgets the fact that I would rather obviously buy real authentic nozzles that was engineered by real NASA scientists who specifically made nozzles only for aeroponics and not for any other applications?
Who in the world would reject the idea to buy nozzles from NASA science? Only chepos like you who wants to buy "half-arse" nozzles

Thank goodness there is patents cause the nozzles I got on hand is obviously better than yours cause the nozzles you got are "half arse" and can not legally be the same as the ones as to NASA's aeroponics HPA nozzles.

No company in this world is going to spend the massive amount of time, effort and funding for something called "Research and development" to specifically engineer nozzles made for HPA aeroponics. I rather get the best nozzles from the most smartest people.

Obviously I'm dumb, inexperienced and bought some shady nozzles that has nothing to do with the "specific" strict application as compared to NASA's nozzles and started growing cannabis plants which it's roots will outgrow tiny 5 gallon buckets... Bravo Bravo...

Jesus Christ, when I read "petflora" trying to knock some IQ into your 7 year old mind, I knew I had to join in the boat cause people reading this thread should not follow your pathetic 5 gallon bucket concept since it is misguiding them of the concept of true aeroponics.
I do however see your pathetic 5 gallon bucket HPA as an "alternative" route for folks who are just not fortunate enough to implement a more better and authentic HPA system since it is shady and cheap.

I can tell that you're trying to save in cash and just simply can't afford to implement a real aeroponics system. You can get 10 pieces of 5 gallon buckets for less than $30 when just a single piece of 30+ gallon tote costs the same. You can get 10 to 20 pieces of "half-arse" HPA nozzles for the same price as to two pieces of NASA's real HPA nozzles.

I know you'll never accept the fact that your 5 gallon HPA bucket is not the "ideal" way to grow a "True Aeroponics" system, your roots are not suspended completely air and will never be. Majority of the roots are going to be squashed at the bottom, this is not how True Aeroponics are supposed to be grown.
I know this because I tried this a decade ago and the 5 gallon bucket HPA was more like a hybrid system of a combination of something like DWC with LPA with HPA. Stop trolling and grow up, you're not fooling anyone here.

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dstroy said:

Your plant looks like shit, mine don’t. Rage all you want. Petflora couldn’t grow either.

Like I said, you’ve got ideas but no proof of concept my guy. I bought the encyclopedia from agrihouse by the way, the same company you bought your nozzles from. Your logic about roots doesn’t hold up under application.

You didn’t put up so I will:

Eat some humble pie at day 30 12/12

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linuxman said:

I'm not the one thats raging, you are. I'm just trying to explain as "detailed" as possible that you ain't fooling no one and how silly your 5 gallon HPA system is turning out to be as compared to a proper valid true HPA system.

Any of my ideas discussed in this thread are not mine, they are NASA's ideas. Matter of fact its Richard Stoner's ideas which his company got sponsored and implemented by NASA.
Just go goggle up their scientific papers on aeroponics and read it carefully. If you're not using their tech and methods, you are not implementing a valid true aero system. If you're using any other "half-arse" misting nozzles that is not from NASA, it's not a valid true aero system.
You're going to get into many issues down the road when using nozzles that are not from "Agrihouse".
Go argue with NASA that your 5 gallon HPA is better... good luck lol

NASA does not implement true aeroponics in small confined 5 gallon buckets with 70% of the roots utterly smashing/squashing/compressing/compacting down at the bottom of the container.
Your silly 5 gallon bucket HPA is better suited for a "Sea of Green" growing method approach with a short plant for each bucket, maybe 1.5 feet high maximum of getting 1 massive cola for each bucket, the roots will not be severely compacted as to a larger cannabis plant which has many colas.
I personally like and prefer the SOG method, but need to be careful with the amount of plant legal count.
But from the photos, it seems you're growing full sized cannabis plant with many colas in each 5 gallon bucket... this has so many sleuths of problems with the concept and theory of true aeroponics and it's obvious why, large population of roots being tightly compacted, the end result is not efficient as to a larger chamber.

Implementing a true and valid aeroponics system is not easy or cheap, its the most complex and advanced hydroponics system to this day.
You need to understand why true aeroponics was invented, its purpose is because of "efficiency" of all respective variables compared to other types of hydros. Nothing more or less.
Every parameters needs to be dialed correctly to make it worth while else its not going to be any better than any other type of hydro setup.
You need thousands of dollars of worth of investment.

You need lab grade pH sensors, lab grade ORP sensors, lab grade EC sensors, NASA's misting aeroponic nozzles, a controllable room temperature, controllable root chamber temperature, proper calculated sanitizing solutions, proper lighting, proper calculated nutrients, large space, sterile environment, proper water pressure, proper high pressure pumps, proper accumulator tank, proper fittings, proper solenoids, zero run off after misting, proper power back up implementation system, automatic pump failure detection and correction, redundancy, complex state of the art monitoring computers, hardware, softwares and etc.
So many variables are important, if you mess with any one of the variables your "true aeroponics" is not efficient.
It's not going to be any better than LPA, DWC or NFT when efficiency is in the equation.
You simply and obviously lack of concerns and attention of the idea and concepts of "efficiency", the efficiency for all parameters ands variables.
You also need to design the system safely and logically as well, so many aero enthusiasts never ever think of adding a pressure safety release valve because no one ever told them about it, which I bet you do not even have one implemented in your silly and unsafe 5 gallon HPA system.

I have literally spent thousands of dollars, great effort and time in implementing and designing a true aeroponics system to the point it is just as valid as to NASA's aeroponics system, I did it right the first time and worked great. Thanks to Perflora and relevant apostles.
I even made my own CXB3590 high efficiency LEDs to be even more efficient not only just by the HPA system alone but also by the lighting system.
In few more weeks I'll start setting up my lab grade aero system back once my mother plant has grown a bit more which I can get few cuttings to transplant to the aero. I know people like you will have thousands of creative excuses once I start showing that a 5 gallon bucket is highly inefficient as compared to a 30+ gallon container.

True aeroponics is not for any random hilly billy my friend, you gotta implement it perfectly and right, just how NASA implemented it, not like how your uncle Bob did it with his 5 gallon buckets from home depot.
It is a very specific and scientific approach minded. It's not so easy that you can just go to your local Home Depot and grab 5 gallon buckets and use "half-arse" misting nozzles and call it a "true HPA system"... LMFAOOOO

This is the very reason why Petflora didn't find HPA any better, it just wasn't any better than other tried and true hydro systems he was using.
Matter of fact I first heard and learned most of the theory and concepts of HPA from him and other relevant apostles on their threads of true aeroponic systems many many years ago.
He does know and understand the science of true aeroponics and his understanding of it years ago is still 100% correct and relevant as of today.
He does not blame the science explained by NASA like the way you are doing it in complete denial.

However your understanding of "true aeroponics" is completely wrong by saying it is completely efficient and logical to grow a cannabis plant in 5 gallon bucket HPA system, which is tremendously misleading. It's not any better than a properly implemented true aero system.
What you got is not a true aero system my friend, it is a hybrid system utilizing HPA, that's all I'm saying buddy.

You can show all the bud shots as much as you want, it's useless and 10000000% irrelevant.
I bet some college kid at your local vicinity is also growing some promising bud using a cheap LPA system on a 5 gallon bucket too at his mom's basement. I smoked bud that was covered with ice, reeked the entire house but never got me really high.
I'm the type of person who would rather spend the money on lab tested "A+", than dumb names and deceiving bud shots.

I don't judge a book by it's cover or it's name, only 5 gallon bucketeers on a budget like yourself does that.

We care about the valid quantitative data, we want to know the valid yield, growth rate, water and nutrient consumption, potency and etc, compared with a much larger root chamber aeroponics system.
You never tried growing cannabis in a large container and comparing it with your silly 5 gallon bucket system.
Behind my eyes, my brain tells me all you know is how to grow bud on a "half-arse" HPA system. Nothing is wrong with that. Just don't mislead saying its a valid true aero system.
Old timers grows massive yields and dank bud on Nutrient Film Technique (NFT) systems, I bet their NFT systems is probably 5-10% more efficient in all desired variables compared with your silly 5 gallon bucket HPA system.

Talk quantitatively (proof of valid data of its variables) and not just throwing a silly 5 gallon bucket with deceiving bud shots, this approach does not gives us a valid implementation of a "true HPA system".

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linuxman said:

Dude why do function so irrelevantly?
You'll do whatever it takes to stay put in denial and not accept the truth of the valid "scientific" meaning of "True Aeroponics".

You can even use your old school 5 gallon toilet bowl as a rooting chamber for a HPA system, grow multi cola cannabis plant, take bud shots and classify it "True Aeroponics"... yea buddy that never gunna happen on this thread.

That is a new mother plant, it is healthy and growing in soil which has absolutely noting to do with "True HPA" in the scope of this thread and conversation.

As again grow up, talk smartly (quantitatively) and not by pictorially which does not prove anything when efficiency is in the equation for true aeroponics.

Now you're trolling here, we get it. Trying to change the subject, so that you don't look super dumb with your "5 gallon bucketeer" so call "True Aeroponics". As again nothing is wrong with your silly system, its just that its not a valid "True Aeroponics" from the eyes of pure science, it is a hybrid form utilizing HPA.

To make you feel more "smart"... I'll share you some facts and try to boost some IQ in this thread which was reduced due to the exposure of your "5 gallon bucketeer HPA" so call "True Aeroponics".


Here is the blog link for reference which I am going to quote from the "True Aeroponics" inventor (NASA sponsored), "Richard Stoner".
(This is Richard Stoner's blog link):

https://aeroponicsman.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/definition-of-true-aeroponic/


"I have been asked about what is the definition of ‘ True Aeroponics’? If we look at the general definition of aeroponics – it is the process and method of growing plants in air without soil.

So true aeroponics is the method of growing plants entirely in air.

In this manner the air grown plant has complete uninterrupted access to 100% of the oxygen and CO2 in the air 24/7.

Of course, until such a time that a short burst of nutrient enriched hydro-atomized water is sprayed onto the stem and roots of the suspended plant."



Now back to what I said, you're not fooling anyone.
If you know how to read and comprehend (which you obviously lack) in a scientific manner, its obvious what everyone said, the aeroponics inventor and including myself, that your "5 gallon bucketeer HPA system" is not classified as a True Aeroponics system.
Because as again (I'm trying to sprinkle and inoculate some valid beneficial IQ to your brain here again), your tiny 5 gallon bucket system which is growing full multi cola cannabis plant will have it's roots at the bottom of the bucket severely compacted and compressed with the inner surface walls of the bucket and upper roots at the top which is covering roots at the bottom.

Since you're such a "experienced true aeroponics" grower , why don't you share some root pictures of your 5 gallon HPA system?
Why don't you try to prove everyone wrong by showing us whats inside the toilet bowl?
Yea... you obviously avoiding and don't want us to see the innards of your 5 gallon toilet bowl HPA system because it's gunna be clogged with your local farmer's haystack LMFAO

If you're able to comprehend any kind of fundamental elementary math (which you obviously don't), about more than 50% of the roots in your silly 5 gallon bucket HPA system does not have "complete uninterrupted access to 100% of the oxygen and CO2 in the air 24/7".
Therefore, 100% of the roots must have complete access to the 50 micron hydro-atomized nutrient, obviously your silly 5 gallon bucket system fails to do so, hence it is not a "True Aeroponics" system logically.
You have some form of a hybrid system utilizing the HPA science, nothing is wrong with that, its just not a valid "True Aeroponics" system (which is currently the most advanced and expensive hydro system out there which is backed by NASA science in a quantitative manner, not pictorially).

Go troll and clown else where, since you fail to express quantitatively and accept the scientific facts of "True Aeroponics".

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linuxman said:

Dude why do function so irrelevantly?
You'll do whatever it takes to stay put in denial and not accept the truth of the valid "scientific" meaning of "True Aeroponics".

You can even use your old school 5 gallon toilet bowl as a rooting chamber for a HPA system, grow multi cola cannabis plant, take bud shots and classify it "True Aeroponics"... yea buddy that never gunna happen on this thread.

That is a new mother plant, it is healthy and growing in soil which has absolutely noting to do with "True HPA" in the scope of this thread and conversation.

As again grow up, talk smartly (quantitatively) and not by pictorially which does not prove anything when efficiency is in the equation for true aeroponics.

Now you're trolling here, we get it. Trying to change the subject, so that you don't look super dumb with your "5 gallon bucketeer" so call "True Aeroponics". As again nothing is wrong with your silly system, its just that its not a valid "True Aeroponics" from the eyes of pure science, it is a hybrid form utilizing HPA.

To make you feel more "smart"... I'll share you some facts and try to boost some IQ in this thread which was reduced due to the exposure of your "5 gallon bucketeer HPA" so call "True Aeroponics".


Here is the blog link for reference which I am going to quote from the "True Aeroponics" inventor (NASA sponsored), "Richard Stoner".
(This is Richard Stoner's blog link):

https://aeroponicsman.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/definition-of-true-aeroponic/


"I have been asked about what is the definition of ‘ True Aeroponics’? If we look at the general definition of aeroponics – it is the process and method of growing plants in air without soil.

So true aeroponics is the method of growing plants entirely in air.

In this manner the air grown plant has complete uninterrupted access to 100% of the oxygen and CO2 in the air 24/7.

Of course, until such a time that a short burst of nutrient enriched hydro-atomized water is sprayed onto the stem and roots of the suspended plant."



Now back to what I said, you're not fooling anyone.
If you know how to read and comprehend (which you obviously lack) in a scientific manner, its obvious what everyone said, the aeroponics inventor and including myself, that your "5 gallon bucketeer HPA system" is not classified as a True Aeroponics system.
Because as again (I'm trying to sprinkle and inoculate some valid beneficial IQ to your brain here again), your tiny 5 gallon bucket system which is growing full multi cola cannabis plant will have it's roots at the bottom of the bucket severely compacted and compressed with the inner surface walls of the bucket and upper roots at the top which is covering roots at the bottom.

Since you're such a "experienced true aeroponics" grower , why don't you share some root pictures of your 5 gallon HPA system?
Why don't you try to prove everyone wrong by showing us whats inside the toilet bowl?
Yea... you obviously avoiding and don't want us to see the innards of your 5 gallon toilet bowl HPA system because it's gunna be clogged with your local farmer's haystack LMFAO

If you're able to comprehend any kind of fundamental elementary math (which you obviously don't), about more than 50% of the roots in your silly 5 gallon bucket HPA system does not have "complete uninterrupted access to 100% of the oxygen and CO2 in the air 24/7".
Therefore, 100% of the roots must have complete access to the 50 micron hydro-atomized nutrient, obviously your silly 5 gallon bucket system fails to do so, hence it is not a "True Aeroponics" system logically.
You have some form of a hybrid system utilizing the HPA science, nothing is wrong with that, its just not a valid "True Aeroponics" system (which is currently the most advanced and expensive hydro system out there which is backed by NASA science in a quantitative manner, not pictorially).

Go troll and clown else where, since you fail to express quantitatively and accept the scientific facts of "True Aeroponics".

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dstroy said:

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linuxman said:

Oh god, this is what we would call a valid and typical "half-arse" areoponics, super DIY style on a 5 gallon toilet bowl and labeling/classifying it as a "true aeroponics". This is why I did not even bother checking your grow, I already knew this is what the toilet bowl would look like, I even predicted it and mentioned it on my previous comments... not surprised, you can not call this a "true aeroponics".
You can call it however a 5 gallon toilet bowl HPA or something similar in that range.

In science we say "quantitative" so we can measure the quantity of the variables that interests us. Obviously how I was implementing it.
Seems like you just copy and paste something without even comprehending what it is meant, I have never observed a person at this level of dumb-dumb.

Here are some examples when someone tells you that they want quantitative data of your toilet bowl system:

Example #1, for the person with low IQ and comprehension: How many grams of yield can that toilet bowl produce as compared to a true aeroponics system.

Example #2, for the person with low IQ and comprehension: How many days does it take for that toilet bowl system to complete a harvest.

Example #3, for the person with low IQ and comprehension: How many liters or gallons of liquid nutrients does the toilet bowl system consume for the entire grow cycle?

Yeap, I was right all along, entire toilet bowl is compacted with farmer's haystack, hell, even your "wanna be" NASA fake "El-Cheapo" supposedly "50 micron" misters are literally digged in and submerged in the roots, your toilet bucket is not even hydro atomizing over 80% of the root's surface area properly, what you got here is similar to a drip system. Those are "half-arse" nozzles, been there, bought it, done it, they are garbage. Anyways it's literally inside or extremely close to the roots in which the mist is obviously hitting the most upper layer compacted roots and thus forming water droplets like to a LPA or drip system, this is what feeding the other 70% of bottom roots.

Dude... this is not a true aero system, its a hybrid system utilizing HPA tech.
Matter of fact, I'll send this pic over to "Agrihouse" and let them laugh about it... LMFAOOOO

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