Help with growroom design

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eoddom

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Alright so Basically me and a friend are working on a little project. For right now we will be working with just One of the tents i have in the drawing below. Once we do a full grow from seed to flower then we will clone what we like...add another tent...and start some sort of perpetual grow. I just drew the basic ideas. It will be roughly an 8'6" by 8'6" room. The veg tent and flower tent will both be 4X4 and running 1000W air cooled fixtures. For each tent the light will have a seperate intake and exhaust from the tent itself this way the lights can always be cool but we can regulate the temps in the tent and also have some control when we decide to add CO2 down the line. It's going to be an extremely basic setup for now utilizing soil and basic nutes. Probably do a 4 week veg before switching to flowering. Do you guys think 16 plants per 4X4 tent will be okay with the 1000W light?
Any other tips or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Here is a basic drawing i through together...dont mind i suck with ms paint.untitled.jpg
 
16 plants, once they start to mature, will not fit in that space. They grow out as well as up. I mean, sure, they'll grow and I suppose if the containers fit the plants will survive. You'll have wall to wall green on top and a lot of dead vegetation underneath. A 4x4 space can support at most 4 mature plants imo.
 
Planned on doing some topping...a little LST'ing and what not. Gonna try to avoid them from being so bushy. Any other input from any grow tent guys out there? Would it be better to not use a grow tent at all? Only problem with that is we will only be able to do one grow at a time.
 
tet1953 said:
16 plants, once they start to mature, will not fit in that space. They grow out as well as up. I mean, sure, they'll grow and I suppose if the containers fit the plants will survive. You'll have wall to wall green on top and a lot of dead vegetation underneath. A 4x4 space can support at most 4 mature plants imo.
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good advice.............

also if you were to vegg them less time say put them in the tent when they were 8 to 10 inches bigg and you can do like a sea of green maybe like 10 plants............i just got my perpetual cycle going and its pretty cool have harvest every2-3 weeks........i get about 1 ounce per plant with cfls..... in a 1x2 square foot boxx.... and i have 5 plants in there..........a little bit stuffy but its ok ----what ever the case may be you should get way more waight and penitration with those 1000watters..........just keep in mind you can usually get about the same weight total off of 3 plants versus say 6 plants in the same space and same light.....
 
See for some reason i was under the impression that if i did SOG i could fit a significant amount of plants in there if they are all in like 10" or 12" square pots. As far as keeping them skinny i could always just trim out alot of the lower branches since they wont see much light penetration anyways.
 
lowrider2000 said:
good advice.............

also if you were to vegg them less time say put them in the tent when they were 8 to 10 inches bigg and you can do like a sea of green maybe like 10 plants............i just got my perpetual cycle going and its pretty cool have harvest every2-3 weeks........i get about 1 ounce per plant with cfls..... in a 1x2 square foot boxx.... and i have 5 plants in there..........a little bit stuffy but its ok ----what ever the case may be you should get way more waight and penitration with those 1000watters..........just keep in mind you can usually get about the same weight total off of 3 plants versus say 6 plants in the same space and same light.....
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Excellent point about grams per watt. It is generally true that you would end up with about the same weight of usable bud. I believe the advantages to doing it with fewer plants are greater than the opposite. One being bigger buds with fewer plants. Ultimate quality might be improved as well.
 
eoddom said:
See for some reason i was under the impression that if i did SOG i could fit a significant amount of plants in there if they are all in like 10" or 12" square pots. As far as keeping them skinny i could always just trim out alot of the lower branches since they wont see much light penetration anyways.
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Yeah, that is a technique eoddom. It's called lollipopping. If we were talking about CFLs or low wattage then maybe..your plants would not get that big. Most of what I am saying is based on the fact you are using 1000w in a 4x4 space. The plants will grow like crazy. Depending on the strain, they could approach SOG with just 4-5 plants lol. Side branches fill out, get heavy and droop. The plants get taller, you have to move the light up to the max, and you start losing penetration.

Either way, you'll have a nice setup that should produce some good bud. I know from experience that overcrowding gets really messy. Plants start doing weird stuff too lol. Nothing terribly bad, but growing weird and stuff. Good luck, whatever you decide to do.
 
Obviously the goal would be to get about 1g per watt in this grow...which would be around 2lbs. But is it even feesable to get a yeild like 5 or 6 oz per plant without having to veg the hell out of them before flowering? I've also considered doing something like CCOB to keep the plants very short but lots of large colas going straight up. This would help contain width and maxamize yeild but how many should i try to stack into a 4X4 tent?
 
It is conceivable that you could get above average yields using a combination of techniques and some extreme cropping. That takes time and skill. I have no idea what your expertise is, but these methods could easily triple your veg time to get the behavior you are looking for.
 
The problem with 4x4 and a single light, besides penetration, is side light too. Presumably your tent is reflective, but still your light is basically going straight down. I have found that with a larger space and two lights the result is greater than its parts. The two lights have a synergy in that they both provide side light to adjacent plants while direct light for half.
 
if this is your first grow take it easy and dont start weighing you weed before it flowers its bad luck just start with one plant see how that goes then add another 2-3 weeks later and so on........ that way you wont be over whelmed
 
If it counts I've taken 4 years of horticulture, floriculture, greenhouse management and landscaping so it's not that im so worried about being overwhelmed with the growing part....just trying to get space and amt of plants worked out. And yeah I don't want to make yeild predictions myself. Just kinda going with the flow of whatever happens for the first few grows.
 
eoddom said:
If it counts I've taken 4 years of horticulture, floriculture, greenhouse management and landscaping so it's not that im so worried about being overwhelmed with the growing part....just trying to get space and amt of plants worked out. And yeah I don't want to make yeild predictions myself. Just kinda going with the flow of whatever happens for the first few grows.
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Well in that case I'm sure nobody has said anytihng you didn't already know :)
 
No I'm still learning. Please dont take that statement as me claiming i know everything as I'm learning new things every day. I'm just stating that as far as keeping the plants growing and alive and working with nutrients im pretty well adjusted. Don't have to worry about getting overwhelmed with the actual growing process. Growing weed is a whole different monster man...and ANY advice you guys give me will be much appreciated
 
I wish i didnt live in such a bad place (legally) to be doing this. I love growing plants in general. Something about starting something from seed....and watching it grow to a fully developed complex plant still amazes me. And then to see people benefit from it just adds icing on the cake.
 
Yeah..I consider myself extremely fortunate; my state's laws changed a year or so ago which made it legal for me to get a card and be a caregiver.

Speaking of starting from seeds, I am getting ready for my next grow. I will have 18 plants, 9 from clones and 9 from seeds. I germed the seeds last week. Some of the Tangerine Dream and Strawberry Diesel plus a few of the freebies I got in Attitude's summer promo. Anyway, I posted in another thread how amazed I am at how they germed. There's this little trick I heard about for stubborn seeds that I tried about six months ago. Seemed to work, so I tried it with all 9 seeds this time, from the get go. Well sir, all 9 cracked in 24 hours, and all 9 had taproots 3/4 to an inch long in just 36 hours. No exaggeration. Needless to say, I'll be using this method from now on.

The trick? You take a matchbox or small jewelry box etc. Glue in pieces of fine sandpaper on the inside. Put seeds in, shake gently a dozen times or so. I guess the idea is that it scars the seeds a little, letting moisture in more quickly.
I follow this up by placing the seeds between paper towels on a paper plate. This is sitting on a large ceramic plate on top of by ballasts (on small pieces of wood so it doesn't get too hot).
I was optimistic about all my beans sprouting but it floored me how quickly they did.
 
Hah thats awesome man. I wouldn't mind moving and starting a nice collective somewhere. Believe it or not when i was younger i would germ bag seed just to do it...and all i ever used was a moist brown paper towel in a ziploc and stuck it under my dresser...and i had 100% success rate with it. As far as everything i learned in horticulture...if we did grow from seed it was planted straight into nursery soil and watered vigorously. We rarely dealed with seeds though...pretty much everything we did dealt with cloning. Forgot to mention i was in the FFA in high school...lol.
 
the strains I have recommend 16 plants in a square meter for maximum results. 3 month cycles. different methods do not mean worse results. short cycles in perpetual grows are more effective in my opinion. seems as if he has a good plan
 
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