Help required please....

> 2 plant pics attached
> Indoor grow / cabinet with Timber grow lights
> Watering every 2 to 3 days
> Using Promix HP with Perlite (2 to 1)
> This is week 3
> PAR reading was kept at 350 for the first 2 weeks with lights 20 inches from canopy
> PAR reading was moved up to 500 on week 3 with lights 20 inches from canopy



Ok, so the two plants in question are in the same grow cabinet, get the same amount of light, the same watering and are subjected to the exact same temperature and humidity. Both plants are still in small plastic cups.

Final potting container will be 3 gallon air-pots. (if I can keep the plants alive that long)

For the first 2 weeks I only used de-chlorinated tap water that had sat for 48 hrs while being aerated.

I'm using the General Hydroponics "Flora Series"......I called GH and consulted with the technician there and he indicated that I should start using the nutrients on week 3 (this is week 3) at 30% strength .....this is week 3 and I started using the Nutrients as directed.

PH is always kept at 6.0

So if you look at plant 1 - it is full and the leaves are reaching out....it looks good in my opinion. But if you look at plant 2 - it is shriveled and wilted......all the leaves are drooping and it looks sick! The leaves do not appear "brown" or discolored in anyway......they actually have a really good green color......but the plant looks terrible.

Yep - I'm the newbie - but I'm trying to learn as much as possible while doing this and any advice I could get from the members here would be greatly appreciated.

I've not seen this before but the color looks great. I would ride it out for a week or two and you should get some stretching.

They look over watered

Not sure why your using par like that but whatever.

Might want to measure the dosage in ppm and not 30 % I would say to feed them about 200-250 ppm right now.

Research microbes what they are and what they do use a little once a week.

lads i need help i growing first time and i made mistake with my plants , i have two plants what i suppose to just pinch at the top of plant but what i have done...pinched every possible place alonge the stame where lief supposte to come out , or new stem ,what gona happen now? i mean my plants are 5 weeks old and i cleared everything close to stame betwine brunches

Bernie420 said:

They look over watered

Not sure why your using par like that but whatever.

Might want to measure the dosage in ppm and not 30 % I would say to feed them about 200-250 ppm right now.

Research microbes what they are and what they do use a little once a week.

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What would you suggest on the PAR issue? Am I off-base on the numbers and height above the canopy?

old-timer said:

What would you suggest on the PAR issue? Am I off-base on the numbers and height above the canopy?

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Not an issue but dont know why your measuring par to adjust the light for the plant. Par changes all the time with the same bulb as the bulb gets older the par will change and every time you move the meter the par will change so it isnt that effective to use imo I like to keep it simple .

small plant small light, big plant big light, big sick plant less light, big healthy plant lots of light, small healthy plant more light, small sick plant less light

and these lights are like a t-5 which is a weak light closer is ok a big light like a hid farther away and leds which are more intense than a hid would need to be a little bit farther than a hid.

You dont want a small plant under a big light and you dont want a big plant under a small weak light. Generally speaking unless you want to do something like that. For instance a big mother plant then a smaller light is ok to maintain the plant but not too small as you want a healthy plant for cuts.

anyways lots of light just not too intense for it to have a negative impact on the grow.

Bernie420 said:

Not an issue but dont know why your measuring par to adjust the light for the plant. Par changes all the time with the same bulb as the bulb gets older the par will change and every time you move the meter the par will change so it isnt that effective to use imo I like to keep it simple .

small plant small light, big plant big light, big sick plant less light, big healthy plant lots of light, small healthy plant more light, small sick plant less light

and these lights are like a t-5 which is a weak light closer is ok a big light like a hid farther away and leds which are more intense than a hid would need to be a little bit farther than a hid.

You dont want a small plant under a big light and you dont want a big plant under a small weak light. Generally speaking unless you want to do something like that. For instance a big mother plant then a smaller light is ok to maintain the plant but not too small as you want a healthy plant for cuts.

anyways lots of light just not too intense for it to have a negative impact on the grow.

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Much appreciated!

I agree it does look overwatered, you can see it through the cup.

Also, Try colored cups next time, roots don't like light.

SPLFreak808 said:

I agree it does look overwatered, you can see it through the cup.

Also, Try colored cups next time, roots don't like light.

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Good info to know.....I will wrap the cups in some dark paper for now......and next time they'll be in something that light can't get through.
As far as watering......I'll throttle back and see what happens.

Definitely overwatered. Healthy. Need to transplant out of those cups.

The303Yeti said:

Definitely overwatered. Healthy. Need to transplant out of those cups.

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Ok - I'm over watering and will most certainly try and refrain from doing that.

So here is a newbie question - just how can in insure that I'm watering at the correct time?

old-timer said:

Ok - I'm over watering and will most certainly try and refrain from doing that.

So here is a newbie question - just how can in insure that I'm watering at the correct time?

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observation and experience would be the short answer

you pick it up now feel the weight then in a few days you pick it up it feels considerably lighter then you consider all things how much was it watered before how dry is it now how long its been since last watering then water it as needed.

as needed is the trick as you dont need to drown them and you dont want dry pockets in the soil but yet you want them to dry out between waterings but you dont want them to droop as that is a sign of stress and you dont want stressed plants

I like to water in stages meaning I water in some let it soak in, water in some let it soak in, it helps not getting dry spots.. I dont just dump a shit ton of water on them and then it just runs through and out ..thats how you get dry spots in the soil.

and make sure the soil is level you dont want a bowl thing going on and all the water flows down the middle of the pot

I also water in different sides of the pot so I dont get the splash out thing going on in one spot.

old-timer said:

Ok - I'm over watering and will most certainly try and refrain from doing that.

So here is a newbie question - just how can in insure that I'm watering at the correct time?

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Not over watering is easier in larger pots. Cups dry out so quick it's easy to underwater/overwater. When the top of the soil starts to feel dry is the easiest way to tell.

Ok - so I went to replant the girls in larger air-pots and had quite the surprise. I couldn't believe it - but the roots of my plants in question were actually going out the bottom of my cups at 3 weeks!! I was really amazed at the root growth. Soooo - got them in the 3 gallon air pots and they are looking a little better. I know the watering thing will be the est for me - it just seems so subjective - everyone has a theory on it.

I'll post some more pics next week........I appreciate all the help!

Those plants will bounce back. Probably very quickly, so no need to worry.
Small plants actually "need" far, far, far less water than most newer growers are willing to accept. Even when they actually need water, the wilt that shows is unmistakable, and very easily corrected.

Get into a mindset, that you are growing ROOTS, not a plant. Roots need to be able to breathe well, in order to thrive.

Fantastic choice on lighting as well

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Ok - so I went to replant the girls in larger air-pots and had quite the surprise. I couldn't believe it - but the roots of my plants in question were actually going out the bottom of my cups at 3 weeks!! I was really amazed at the root growth. Soooo - got them in the 3 gallon air pots and they are looking a little better. I know the watering thing will be the est for me - it just seems so subjective - everyone has a theory on it.

I'll post some more pics next week........I appreciate all the help!

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Everyone does have a theory, the correct theory is the one that works for you. If they were facts, they wouldn’t be theories would they. Me? I water when the dirt feels dry....just kinda makes sense. Just wish I could get the nutrients down better. Thought I had it dialed in, didn’t realize cal mag didn’t have enough mag

Sooo - after re-potting and cutting back on the water, I noticed that things were not getting better, matter of fact the leaves on both plants are starting to turn yellow down towards the bottom of the plant. The only thing I knew to do was to start reading on all things cannabis. What I've found out is this - and I think this is the problem - I've always held my Ph at 6.4/6.5.....but what I've found out after reading is that when you use ProMix HP - your Ph shoulld be right at 5.9......and no higher. I'm not exactly sure this is the problem - but when it comes time to water next time that's where I plan on having my Ph. My 2 plants look sick and wilted - not sure if they will survive..........more to follow.

old-timer said:

Sooo - after re-potting and cutting back on the water, I noticed that things were not getting better, matter of fact the leaves on both plants are starting to turn yellow down towards the bottom of the plant. The only thing I knew to do was to start reading on all things cannabis. What I've found out is this - and I think this is the problem - I've always held my Ph at 6.4/6.5.....but what I've found out after reading is that when you use ProMix HP - your Ph shoulld be right at 5.9......and no higher. I'm not exactly sure this is the problem - but when it comes time to water next time that's where I plan on having my Ph. My 2 plants look sick and wilted - not sure if they will survive..........more to follow.

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thats not the problem get some microbes and use them before you get root rot, and you should have and be using microbes anyways.

The getting better isnt going to happen for a while they are still stressed you kind of have to leave it alone till you need to water again.

What light do you have and how far away is it from the top of plant ?

Much appreciated on the advice of microbes -
Question - > Where do you purchase Microbes at?

Lighting -> LED light purchased from "TimberGrow Lights" / color temp 3500K / - I have the light hanging exactly 24 inches from canopy top with a PAR reading of 340

My exact model is here -> https://timbergrowlights.com/model-3vl/

old-timer said:

Much appreciated on the advice of microbes -
Question - > Where do you purchase Microbes at?

Lighting -> LED light purchased from "TimberGrow Lights" / color temp 3500K / - I have the light hanging exactly 24 inches from canopy top with a PAR reading of 340

My exact model is here -> https://timbergrowlights.com/model-3vl/

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any grow store basically you should read up on them.