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growingforfun

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Dudes gonna for sure have something there. Won't be much maybe a couple good joints at best. It's essentially like taking a new seedling and throwing it in the bloom room to see how the strain is gonna smoke while the others are still vegging. Untopped in a 1 gal I'd get a quarter ounce sample of what's to come next cycle.... besides you ever try to tell somebody with a plant they can't do something lol!?! If nothing else he'll get some experience and maybe carry some of that passion and intrest into the off season and hopefully kill it next year :)
Except it's a seedling not a clone... it's not gonna even be in flower until other outdoor plants are being harvested. It wont be "a few joints worth" it will be all mold.

Be honest with him not just tell him go ahead.. dude would be looking at a November harvest.
 

Stink Bug

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Hahahaha ok I'll try to find the exact page and screen shot it. Defintaly not a young buck or my first time around I spent the last decade with power bills the size of most mens mortgage, so i do know a few things about weed plants.......Once the plant has is first set of "true" leaves usually the 3rd or fourth set up all environmental factors influence sex. Any type of stress will influence the plants twoards type the masculine side. Here's how it goes : dry containers, low N, higher levels p-k, lighting that has heavier red spectrum, long days (18 hours +) because what happens at nightime ? What hormone does the plant produce?? If you guessed ethelyne you guessed right. And what does ethelyme do? You got it young man it helps regulate plant sex! So if all the factors influence a masculinity, how could we influence them to do the opposite? Hmmmmm....well that's an easy one. White and blue spectrums, go heavy on the N , little to no p-k , keep containers on the damp side and as soon as the 3rd or fouth set of leaves a how up cut the light down to about 16 hours a day. What that does is increase your ethelyne levels and which is the hormone that influences sex. After pre flowers have shown and any males thrown out light can be increased back to 24hours a day or whatever schedule they are on. I had read this about 9 or 10 years ago. Was either by Jorge Cervantes or Ed Rosenthal. I do beleive it was Jorge tho. Ive tried it and applied it multiple times both to encurange males or females. Out of a 10 pack you won't get 100 percent either way but 7-8 out of ten is not dufficult to do. There is a bit of luck involved as we're only able to influence sex, not control it. Do your own research and see waht factors infence plant sex you'll see they are all on here
First set of "true" leaves are the 3rd or fourth node? No its the set of leaves that appear just above the cotyledons

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378820/

I have read many articles on ethylene. Not one of them mentioned it has any effect on plant sex. Please share the article you read this in.
 
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chernobe

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Except it's a seedling not a clone... it's not gonna even be in flower until other outdoor plants are being harvested. It wont be "a few joints worth" it will be all mold.

Be honest with him not just tell him go ahead.. dude would be looking at a November harvest.
Yes. Yes it is. Exactly what I had said too. I have no idea where he is. November in Sacramento isnt the same as November in New York. In our area it would be ok, epically a small pot on the porch. Would be one nice joint :) I don't thik he's trying to buy food with that thing , let him have experiment and have his fun. I'm sure he'll have a couple nice joints out of it. Put it in the windowsill last couple weeks of you have to, where there is a will there is a way :)
 

RetiredGuerilla

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Ok so I’m growing outdoors I need help , I don’t know what’s going on with my unstopped seedling idk if she’s hungry or she has had to much , I haven’t added nutes but my soil slow releases them , what should I do please I want a nice yield
If you grow in containers outdoors you need at least ten gallon size. They say a gallon per month but i don't really agree with that. Small 3 gal. pots are good for planting late in the year and with cooler weather they don't dry out so fast. Im at 37 deg N in the east. I can germinate mid Aug. give 24 hour sun/T-5 combo for 10 days in a 20 oz solo cup. Transplant in ground outdoors Aug. 24-28. They start flowering at one month old mid Sept. and I let them go as long as weather permits. My record is Nov. 11th. Always get some nice outdoor fall buds as the humidity drops in Oct. Works the same with all crosses and mexicans, indicas etc. Point is. It may not be too late if you want to germinate more seeds if you kill these. 8-)
 
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chernobe

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First set of "true" leaves are the 3rd or fourth node? No its the set of leaves that appear just above the cotyledons

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378820/

I have read many articles on ethylene. Not one of them mentioned it has any effect on plant sex. Please share the article you read this in.
Learned all this during my time growing. A quick Google search produced these two articles https://www.google.com/amp/s/hightimes.com/grow/jorges-cannabis-encyclopedia-ensure-female-seedlings/amp/ and https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276421871_The_hormonal_control_of_sex_differentiation_in_dioecious_plants_of_hemp_Cannabis_sativd_The_influence_of_plant_growth_regulators_on_sex_expression_in_male_and_female_plants. Im sure there is more out there. Note the dates too 1978 and 2014 no new information here. These talk about using different hormones to help promote ladies. There used to be a product called Reverse by Ductchmasters and then Switch was another one back then also that we used. If you find anything saying that the old studies have been discredited I'd love to see them and learn what they have found out.
 
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dannyboy602

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Thanks. OP please don't do anything dannyboy602 told you to do. You don't need any superthrive or 1 gal pots or anything like that. I doubt the dude could even tell you what's in the product, how it works, and why you would even need it. If your concerned about root growth get yourself a bag of Mykos WP by plant success. Doesn't hurt anything all all that's for sure :) I swear by the stuff. And please dannyboy602 if you have any questions or need any proof what I say is true please let me know I can provide it. I love helping new growers like yourself. Let's get you growing some weed that won't make you choke when you smoke it. Tell me what your using if you need a hand and we'll tighten your game up. OP Good luck to you whatever advise you decide to follow
New growers like myself? That's rich.
I'll read up on gene expression. I'm familiar with Rosenthal and the hack Cervantes.
And for your own edification Superthrive doesn't have an ingredients list. But anyone who has used black strap molasses will tell you it looks and smells the same. Essentially its sugar. And you know what sugar does for microbes in soil? Of course you do. That's why I suggest it as a root enhancer.
Your $100 prescription for a $5 problem mostly falls on deaf ears. But its your time.
Have a nice day.
 

Jaygwuala

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Thanks. OP please don't do anything dannyboy602 told you to do. You don't need any superthrive or 1 gal pots or anything like that. I doubt the dude could even tell you what's in the product, how it works, and why you would even need it. If your concerned about root growth get yourself a bag of Mykos WP by plant success. Doesn't hurt anything all all that's for sure :) I swear by the stuff. And please dannyboy602 if you have any questions or need any proof what I say is true please let me know I can provide it. I love helping new growers like yourself. Let's get you growing some weed that won't make you choke when you smoke it. Tell me what your using if you need a hand and we'll tighten your game up. OP Good luck to you whatever advise you decide to follow
I use this for my plants but I haven’t none but the flowering I kno she need bloom nutes I have to get it soon ?, and someonetoldmevthat my other seedling was lacking N- nitrogen so I added a Lil tiny bit of nutes to her but the other one is so health I transplanted her and her roots where all nice looking I say it was 35% rebound I switched to a bigger pot but I haven’t fed her and she doing better idk why maybe because I transplanted my other seedling to much and it shocked but it has lots of roots ? Any advice ?
 

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Stink Bug

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Learned all this during my time growing. A quick Google search produced these two articles https://www.google.com/amp/s/hightimes.com/grow/jorges-cannabis-encyclopedia-ensure-female-seedlings/amp/ and https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276421871_The_hormonal_control_of_sex_differentiation_in_dioecious_plants_of_hemp_Cannabis_sativd_The_influence_of_plant_growth_regulators_on_sex_expression_in_male_and_female_plants. Im sure there is more out there. Note the dates too 1978 and 2014 no new information here. These talk about using different hormones to help promote ladies. There used to be a product called Reverse by Ductchmasters and then Switch was another one back then also that we used. If you find anything saying that the old studies have been discredited I'd love to see them and learn what they have found out.
Both articles are anecdotal info at best, especially that coming from Cervante. And the more scholarly article only spoke of ethylene as possibly having an influence a plant to the female side. Nothing about it having any influence on making the male.
Gibberellic acid promoted masculinization, whereas IAA, ethylene and kinetin had a feminization effect on sex of hemp. Abscisic acid did not exert any direct effect on sex determination.
 

growingforfun

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Both articles are anecdotal info at best, especially that coming from Cervante. And the more scholarly article only spoke of ethylene as possibly having an influence a plant to the female side. Nothing about it having any influence on making the male.
Gibberellic acid promoted masculinization, whereas IAA, ethylene and kinetin had a feminization effect on sex of hemp. Abscisic acid did not exert any direct effect on sex determination.
It's well known that high PK is early veg promote males... why are you arguing this point? I feel like I remember you being stupid before but cant be sure...
 

Stink Bug

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It's well known that high PK is early veg promote males... why are you arguing this point? I feel like I remember you being stupid before but cant be sure...
When did I say anything about high PK? I was responding to his claim ethylene and plant sex. Keep up.
And your claim about high PK in early veg promoting males. Besides forum lore please share some actual scientific data on this.
 

growingforfun

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When did I say anything about high PK? I was responding to his claim ethylene and plant sex. Keep up.
And your claim about high PK in early veg promoting males. Besides forum lore please share some actual scientific data on this.
That was his first claim in the quote you linked, an it's also claimed about ethylene.

Pretty sure your the asshat I thought you were though so imma just tell you to eat a bag of dicks an do your own research. Fuckin teenagers coming on here thinkin they know stuff...
 

Stink Bug

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Hahahaha ok I'll try to find the exact page and screen shot it. Defintaly not a young buck or my first time around I spent the last decade with power bills the size of most mens mortgage, so i do know a few things about weed plants.......Once the plant has is first set of "true" leaves usually the 3rd or fourth set up all environmental factors influence sex. Any type of stress will influence the plants twoards type the masculine side. Here's how it goes : dry containers, low N, higher levels p-k, lighting that has heavier red spectrum, long days (18 hours +) because what happens at nightime ? What hormone does the plant produce?? If you guessed ethelyne you guessed right. And what does ethelyme do? You got it young man it helps regulate plant sex! So if all the factors influence a masculinity, how could we influence them to do the opposite? Hmmmmm....well that's an easy one. White and blue spectrums, go heavy on the N , little to no p-k , keep containers on the damp side and as soon as the 3rd or fouth set of leaves a how up cut the light down to about 16 hours a day. What that does is increase your ethelyne levels and which is the hormone that influences sex. After pre flowers have shown and any males thrown out light can be increased back to 24hours a day or whatever schedule they are on. I had read this about 9 or 10 years ago. Was either by Jorge Cervantes or Ed Rosenthal. I do beleive it was Jorge tho. Ive tried it and applied it multiple times both to encurange males or females. Out of a 10 pack you won't get 100 percent either way but 7-8 out of ten is not dufficult to do. There is a bit of luck involved as we're only able to influence sex, not control it. Do your own research and see waht factors infence plant sex you'll see they are all on here
https://pages.wustl.edu/ipgsa/ethylene

And his claim ethylene is only produced at night is incorrect also. Yes it does increase production at night, it produces ethylene around the clock. Ethylene is mainly a ripening agent in plants.
 
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Stink Bug

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That was his first claim in the quote you linked, an it's also claimed about ethylene.

Pretty sure your the asshat I thought you were though so imma just tell you to eat a bag of dicks an do your own research. Fuckin teenagers coming on here thinkin they know stuff...
Like I figured, you cannot provide any. Typical, start name calling to deflect from the fact you cannot back up your claims.
 

chernobe

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That was his first claim in the quote you linked, an it's also claimed about ethylene.

Pretty sure your the asshat I thought you were though so imma just tell you to eat a bag of dicks an do your own research. Fuckin teenagers coming on here thinkin they know stuff...
His profile pic makes a lot more sense now. Must be a recent photo
 

Stink Bug

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His profile pic makes a lot more sense now. Must be a recent photo
What, no links to back up your claims? Keep sharing your anecdotal forum info. To each their own. You have a great day also.

And sorry gentlemen I am not a teenager.
 

Jaygwuala

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Ok so the topped one is beautiful and fine no problems but my other one I just lst and topped her it was raing a lot this morning while I was sleeping , so when I came back she was so droopy and almost look dead , I gently tapped the stem to release some water off of it brought all 3 because one is flowering , and put the lst plant a fan with s small blow speed with my door open because the sun comes in and now she looks like this is she’s over watered ?
 

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Jaygwuala

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This was her before lst , I had someone telling me it was kind of getting heat stress and to add more( N ) nitrogen but I fed her the first time yesterday ,and for the heat stress when I go outback and check on her , if I feel like it’s to hot I’ll shade her up under a big tree with some light sunspots around her for a little while because , the topped one my Sativa Dominant doesn’t have these problems this is my first grow
 

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