Help needed. Coco room freaking out fluence 2i

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I just had a great cycle of Dina Fem Purple Afghan Kush.

I got 4 lbs thinking I was hot shitand baught some fluence 2is and redid my flower room for another round of Purple Afghans I had backed upand ready to go in for a short turnover time.

plants were healthy and green with green flexible stems in there 1 gallons. & stayed under 2 600 watt metal halides in the adjacent room in a 4x8 tent.

these plants were 5-6 weeks old from clone when I put them into 3 gallon containers and into the flower room.

the flower room at this point consists of 1 4x 8 spread by 1800 watts of metal halide ( just writing that seems like a lot of light for my somewhat young plants) and 1 more 4x8 under 2 full power fluence 2i .

metal halides were roughly 20 inches off canopy while pi fluence were mounted on the ceiling a good. 3 foot plus off canopy.

and boom I thought I would be rambling.

in the 4x8 tent in 1 gallons plants were getting fed 2x daily at around 1.2 ec

I run roots gold by house and garden 1 or 2 times a week and other than that my reseirvors are such

pro tech silica ( 1 ml per gallon) first input

Botanicals CaMg ( I was at 3.5 ml but just today topped off my Res to a full 5 mls to see if that helps. I’ve had botanicals CaMg up to 6ml gal at one point last round ....maybe it’s that easy?)

flora flex base nutrients on 1/1 ratio.

ro water

When I transplanted I kept the feed the same at 1.2.
The ratio of that first Res was 1 ml silica/gal 3.5 ml CaMg/gal 1 gram v1 1 gram v2 —> 1.2-1.3 ec. My ph floats from 5.5-6.0


the room is injected with co2 800-1000ppm

my temps have been high 78-82 daytime 70-72 nighttime (Fahrenheit)

while my humidity during the day floats from 55-60 percent and night timeroughly the same.


basically 3-4 days post transplant I noticed what I thought wasapparent light stress accompanied by slow growth pale fan leaves and purple hard stiff woody stemsZ

all big problems especially in coco.

I immediately turned offfluence led and replaced that 4x8 with 2 315 watt cmh. & went to my run off for information.

also I started 1x daily watering after transplantwhichbwas a week ago then quickly ramped up to 3x daily feeds because my run off reflected hungry plants.

for example 36 hours after transplant I watered at 650 ppm to see roughly 400 ppm in my run off... soooo...... i thought increase strength and frequency.

I know I’m all over the place and if I’ve left out info please ask and overall I feel as though there’s something I’m missing.

the other day for about 3-4 hour my room was baking at 4000ppm co2( leak on my valve)

everything has just been bad and alll insight helps I REALLY can’t afford to lose this room!

thanks growers if anyone needs more photos let me know.

my plan is to let things dry down better go back to once daily feed every 24 hours and observe the rise in CaMgs effect today. I do have a dimmer for the fluence set up but won’t bring them back into the picture until plants start growing again......
 

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Bosgrower

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Do I understand you correctly that you put the fluence 2i fixtures 36" above the canopy for flower? You do realize that the suggested height above the canopy in flower is 6 - 10". Even if you wanted to condition the plants for a couple of days you wouldn't want to be more than 18 - 24" up to start.
 
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Bosgrower said:
Do I understand you correctly that you put the fluence 2i fixtures 36" above the canopy for flower? You do realize that the suggested height above the canopy in flower is 6 - 10". Even if you wanted to condition the plants for a couple of days you wouldn't want to be more than 18 - 24" up to start.
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When I put those things in my room at ful blast they shocked plants on the other side of the room.

advise from a trusted friend was A get the dimmer and B start them low & high and as plants need in regards to par change lower and intensify.

1700 was to much I have them at 30 % and I plan on increasing 1 or 2 points per day til I find my limit.
I deffinately don’t think I will able to ever run these plants that close full blast to this particular cultivar.

here’s my room after upping base nutes 24 hours ago. New growth is pliable and over all can’t complain to much about my situation.
All cycle I’ve been wondering why my plants leaves have looked this way.

they didn’t look this way last cycle.

I think I’m over watering a bit if you can believe that.

also I wish I never looked at the ph of my run off.
 

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Bosgrower

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I've run a 4x4 veg tent with a 315w CMH and a 5x5 flower tent with a Fluence Spydr 2i (no CO2) for more than a year and I've never had an issue with light shock after transition. I use 4 gallon coco hempy buckets and Greenleaf Nutrients products. I will typically veg for 6+ weeks and top 2 to 3 times depending on the strain.
For the first week of flower I'll start the lights about 18" above the canopy and then gradually bring them down to about 8-10" by the start of week 2. If I was in a 4x4 I'd go to 6-8" but since it's a 5x5 I wanted better PAR spread.
I've grown a variety of photos and autos under the 2i and have NEVER seen any sort of light burn or stress so I'm reasonably sure that the problem lies elsewhere.
This is a typical result ... Ken's Granddaddy Purple about 2 weeks from harvest ... 4 plants yielded 30+oz dry

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Bosgrower said:
I've run a 4x4 veg tent with a 315w CMH and a 5x5 flower tent with a Fluence Spydr 2i (no CO2) for more than a year and I've never had an issue with light shock after transition. I use 4 gallon coco hempy buckets and Greenleaf Nutrients products. I will typically veg for 6+ weeks and top 2 to 3 times depending on the strain.
For the first week of flower I'll start the lights about 18" above the canopy and then gradually bring them down to about 8-10" by the start of week 2. If I was in a 4x4 I'd go to 6-8" but since it's a 5x5 I wanted better PAR spread.
I've grown a variety of photos and autos under the 2i and have NEVER seen any sort of light burn or stress so I'm reasonably sure that the problem lies elsewhere.
This is a typical result ... Ken's Granddaddy Purple about 2 weeks from harvest ... 4 plants yielded 30+oz dry

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Well I’m stuck battling the needs of my HPS tapbles and my led tables unfortunately. Right now.

honestly second guessing myself so much this round I feel like I’m just Overfeeding.
unsure.
 
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Bosgrower said:
I've run a 4x4 veg tent with a 315w CMH and a 5x5 flower tent with a Fluence Spydr 2i (no CO2) for more than a year and I've never had an issue with light shock after transition. I use 4 gallon coco hempy buckets and Greenleaf Nutrients products. I will typically veg for 6+ weeks and top 2 to 3 times depending on the strain.
For the first week of flower I'll start the lights about 18" above the canopy and then gradually bring them down to about 8-10" by the start of week 2. If I was in a 4x4 I'd go to 6-8" but since it's a 5x5 I wanted better PAR spread.
I've grown a variety of photos and autos under the 2i and have NEVER seen any sort of light burn or stress so I'm reasonably sure that the problem lies elsewhere.
This is a typical result ... Ken's Granddaddy Purple about 2 weeks from harvest ... 4 plants yielded 30+oz dry

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Switched back to my old watering wand.

People are telling me not to correct my run off ph in fact to ignore it. Does this sound right? I’ve been going in 5.8-6.2 and have consistently seen 5.4 5.3 5.5 in my run off.

Also I’ve worked my way up to 1.8 ec .5 CaMg the test base flora flex .

no fuxken clue what’s going on all I know is Christmas is looking bleak unless I green this room up lol
 
Silky T

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Maineconnect said:
When I put those things in my room at ful blast they shocked plants on the other side of the room.

advise from a trusted friend was A get the dimmer and B start them low & high and as plants need in regards to par change lower and intensify.

1700 was to much I have them at 30 % and I plan on increasing 1 or 2 points per day til I find my limit.
I deffinately don’t think I will able to ever run these plants that close full blast to this particular cultivar.

here’s my room after upping base nutes 24 hours ago. New growth is pliable and over all can’t complain to much about my situation.
All cycle I’ve been wondering why my plants leaves have looked this way.

they didn’t look this way last cycle.

I think I’m over watering a bit if you can believe that.

also I wish I never looked at the ph of my run off.
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Did everybody catch the size of those stalks? Jeez, makes mine look like babies, but then I'm outside and they tend to stretch further than when I grew inside. My inside ones were 2-3ft., bulky Christmas trees with the stickiest, dankest bud I've ever seen when I harvested, right on time (Halloween).
 
Bosgrower

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Maineconnect said:
... People are telling me not to correct my run off ph in fact to ignore it. Does this sound right? I’ve been going in 5.8-6.2 and have consistently seen 5.4 5.3 5.5 in my run off.
... Also I’ve worked my way up to 1.8 ec .5 CaMg the test base flora flex .
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Never look at the runoff from coco. There are lengthy technical explanations as to why, but the bottom line is just don't. Tried to do drain to recovery for my hempies (making it a true dutch bucket system) but it was pointless. The runoff was never what I thought it should have been either ppm or ph ... so I just stayed with drain to waste and everything worked fine.
 
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Bosgrower said:
Never look at the runoff from coco. There are lengthy technical explanations as to why, but the bottom line is just don't. Tried to do drain to recovery for my hempies (making it a true dutch bucket system) but it was pointless. The runoff was never what I thought it should have been either ppm or ph ... so I just stayed with drain to waste and everything worked fine.
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Everything’s wierd here. I put in 900 ppm and for the last week daily my runoff is roughly 800
 
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Silky T said:
Did everybody catch the size of those stalks? Jeez, makes mine look like babies, but then I'm outside and they tend to stretch further than when I grew inside. My inside ones were 2-3ft., bulky Christmas trees with the stickiest, dankest bud I've ever seen when I harvested, right on time (Halloween).
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Bosgrower said:
I've run a 4x4 veg tent with a 315w CMH and a 5x5 flower tent with a Fluence Spydr 2i (no CO2) for more than a year and I've never had an issue with light shock after transition. I use 4 gallon coco hempy buckets and Greenleaf Nutrients products. I will typically veg for 6+ weeks and top 2 to 3 times depending on the strain.
For the first week of flower I'll start the lights about 18" above the canopy and then gradually bring them down to about 8-10" by the start of week 2. If I was in a 4x4 I'd go to 6-8" but since it's a 5x5 I wanted better PAR spread.
I've grown a variety of photos and autos under the 2i and have NEVER seen any sort of light burn or stress so I'm reasonably sure that the problem lies elsewhere.
This is a typical result ... Ken's Granddaddy Purple about 2 weeks from harvest ... 4 plants yielded 30+oz dry

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You don't run the Fluence full blast do u?
 
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