HELP! Having some problems with my plants.

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MisterBlue

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I do have some problems with my plant. Today the EC-meter was showing 0.86 in the reservoir, and 0.6 by the roots. The ph was lying at 6.2. I changed the water in the system with a ph of 5.3 and Ec at a little less than 0.5. I use General hydroponics nutrients and Canna ph down. The system is spraying directly at the roots(is this right?)

I used airstones, but took them out. Seemed to increase ph at a fast rate when it could go from 5,2 to 6,2 over night.

Grow system: Aeroflo from GH.
Temperature in grow room: 21 C
Air moisture in grow room: around 40-60%
Water type: soft springwater, no chlorine or what ever. Ph is 7 dead on.
Light: 600w metall hallide.
Strain: Bubblicious

What am i doing wrong? Is my problems caused by too much nutrients? Is my ph wrong? Or anything else?

Can anybody please help me? Used enough money on this shit!

Friendly regards from a bloody noob!
 

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tropicalcannabispatient

tropicalcannabispatient

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MisterBlue said:
I do have some problems with my plant. Today the EC-meter was showing 0.86 in the reservoir, and 0.6 by the roots. The ph was lying at 6.2. I changed the water in the system with a ph of 5.3 and Ec at a little less than 0.5. I use General hydroponics nutrients and Canna ph down. The system is spraying directly at the roots(is this right?)

I used airstones, but took them out. Seemed to increase ph at a fast rate when it could go from 5,2 to 6,2 over night.

Grow system: Aeroflo from GH.
Temperature in grow room: 21 C
Air moisture in grow room: around 40-60%
Water type: soft springwater, no chlorine or what ever. Ph is 7 dead on.
Light: 600w metall hallide.
Strain: Bubblicious

What am i doing wrong? Is my problems caused by too much nutrients? Is my ph wrong? Or anything else?

Can anybody please help me? Used enough money on this shit!

Friendly regards from a bloody noob!
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tropicalcannabispatient

tropicalcannabispatient

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MisterBlue said:
I do have some problems with my plant. Today the EC-meter was showing 0.86 in the reservoir, and 0.6 by the roots. The ph was lying at 6.2. I changed the water in the system with a ph of 5.3 and Ec at a little less than 0.5. I use General hydroponics nutrients and Canna ph down. The system is spraying directly at the roots(is this right?)

I used airstones, but took them out. Seemed to increase ph at a fast rate when it could go from 5,2 to 6,2 over night.

Grow system: Aeroflo from GH.
Temperature in grow room: 21 C
Air moisture in grow room: around 40-60%
Water type: soft springwater, no chlorine or what ever. Ph is 7 dead on.
Light: 600w metall hallide.
Strain: Bubblicious

What am i doing wrong? Is my problems caused by too much nutrients? Is my ph wrong? Or anything else?

Can anybody please help me? Used enough money on this shit!

Friendly regards from a bloody noob!
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blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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All you need is a cheap bag of Epsom's my man an u should be all good. You see how the tips of your leaves are curling up? That means your short on my.. Or it could be locked out but from what you describe I would bet you need my. And the added sulfur will do nothing but help.

Good luck
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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Idk y its not allowing me to edit but you may also want to check your roots just to make sure everything is as it should be. I have ran into mg lock out the couple times I've left things in solo cups for too long.
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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U need some epsoms. U can tell by the way the tips of the leaves are curling up. That means the plant either needs mg of its getting locked out. Good luck
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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I have no clue if my posts are showing our what's going on so if I posted the same thing a few times please know it's coming from a good place lol
 
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MisterBlue

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So i should supplement with magnesium? Can I use cal-mag or is it better with epson salt? I have used advanced nurtients sensi cal-mag xtra previously. Today i didnt put in any, in fear of more burn. I also reduced the level of nutrients.

Should I use as recommended on the bottle, or should I reduce the strength about 1/2?
 
Punk

Punk

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My honest and most friendly advice to you, If you consider yourself a neophyte to growing, I may suggest starting with a dirt grow. Although seductive theoretically, hydroponic growing and the like require a solid base of knowledge and experience. Besides, all you really want is some nice bud, no hassles, right? Make it easy for yourself.

Simply put, your plants are being exposed to way too much nutrient. The leaves look quit toxic, but not over watered significantly. I can see the dark veins throughout the leafs with otherwise near-necrotic color, puke green/yellow. I have strong doubts that they can be saved well enough to make any quality smoke. Without a healthy set of fan leaves going into budding, the plants have no chance of creating resinous terpene coated flowers. With dirt, IMO, you can more easily control the very things that you are losing control of, at the moment.
 
polishpollack

polishpollack

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your pH will drift over time. use a pH that's closer to 6.0. don't force it necessarily to remain there though. 0.5 ec is kind of low. try these numbers for a while: pH 6.0-6.3 at the bottom end, let it drift upward. ec of 1.0 or a little higher perhaps. 5.2 pH is way too low, too acidic.
 
polishpollack

polishpollack

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I posted and it disappeared. use a pH of 6.0-6.3 at the low end and let it drift upward without fighting it too much. use an ec of about 1.0 or a little more.
 
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MisterBlue

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It's vegetative state, 3 weeks old. I'm not switching from aero to dirt, I have already invested in a decent aeroponics-system (AeroFlo), and it's my first time, so i expected some problems. My reservoir is about 50 liters (13 gallons), would it be easier to control the PH and nutrients if I switched to a bigger reservoir? Is DWC harder than aeroponics?
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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You still have plenty of time in veg to grow your leaves back so try not to worry too much about that. Personally I prefer the epsoms over the calmag unless your using ro. I actually still have some advanced calmag that I reach over every time to get to the epsoms. I don't see the burn that everybody else is seeing but just to play it safe you could feed at half strength but you need to Epsom at full strength.. 1.5 maybe 2 Tsp/gal till you see improvement
 
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MisterBlue

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Today I used cal-mag at half-strength. Is this enough or should i use more? Should I also supplement with epson or should I only use epson?
Can too much iron, manganese or calsium create any sort of lock-out?
I will buy epson tomorrow.

Since my plants are in bad shape, can I maybe shorten them a little too make new growth? Isted of having those thin, long, christmas tree shaped bushes?
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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Ya but you're a long way from there. Your plants r screaming for mg in a serious way.. Without looking again I'm going to guess you have some purple stems going on too don't you? Give them the other half of the calmag for now and just rest on it. Your new growth will be vigorous and the older leaves that are already messed up will fall off. Get the Epsom tomorrow and in 2 weeks you won't even be able to recognize the pictures from this thread.
 
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Tman20

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I am a very newbie (virgin) and am 10 days into a hydro grow. My babies have just developed their 2nd set of real leaves and are showing uneven green on their leaves. Areas of light and dark green on the same leaf. I jumped right in to Hydro growing, probably should have done soil, but hydro intrigues me. I have attached the trouble shoot form and some pics for anyone that has some advise.


What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...) Very first timer

What type of hydro set-up are you running? Eco Grower in a 2x2.5 gorilla tent

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's) 400W MH
B) Distance from tops? 24”
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) Exhaust Ducted enclosed reflector
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 400W. Ballast adjustable from 50% to 100%. Current setting is 50 to 75%
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? Yes
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? Yes
G) Size of reservoir? 13 Gal (Eco Grower)
H) What medium if applicable. Clay Pebble

Your nutrients and water:
I) If using rockwoll for clones or seedlings, did you rinse the cubes well, with properly ph'd water? Used PH neutral General Hydroponics Rapid Rooter Replacement Plugs
J) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph? Tap water PH neutral
K) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. GH Flora Series QT. 2.5ml /Gal. Solution running 24/7
L) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water? 70 PPM
M) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution? 550 PPM
N) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps) 69/71F
O) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check? Slight rise
P) Does the ph fluctuate? No
Q) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...) not yet
R) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes? What does it look like before changes? (clear, foamy, green, brown...) only 5 days into grow. Have not changed solution yet

Your growroom:
S) What size of closet, room or hut? 2x2.5 feet Gorilla Tent
T) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? On=76 F/40%; Off 65F/50%
U) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? No
V) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy? No visible roots yet

Your strain:
W) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) Indica
X) From seeds or clones? Seeds
Y) Is this an autoflower strain? No
 

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blackforest

blackforest

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Kind of a tough one. Best thing I can say is a ph imbalance. Try to keep a constant ph is my only guess. You say it can go from 6.2-5.3 overnight. Does not seem right. It does not resemble any specific deficiency and I see a big correction from 6.2-5.3 when they are relatively young and should not be affecting ph to that degree in this stage of growth. The new growth up top will tell you what's going on. I would also put my ph at 5.8,which is kinda middle ground to ensure max nute uptake, and check it over a period of time to make sure it's consistent. It should not change that fast, and make sure your pen is calibrated too.

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hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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MisterBlue said:
It's vegetative state, 3 weeks old. I'm not switching from aero to dirt, I have already invested in a decent aeroponics-system (AeroFlo), and it's my first time, so i expected some problems. My reservoir is about 50 liters (13 gallons), would it be easier to control the PH and nutrients if I switched to a bigger reservoir? Is DWC harder than aeroponics?
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Rising pH means the plants are using the nutrients. Don't try to keep it down by repeated acid drops. Your EC is awfully low IMO. That is seedling strength.
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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Change out the res. Despite all the Eco/environment blah blah blah, you aren't hurting anything with plant food and plant excrement

7-5 day intervals, depending on nutrient uptake.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Tman20 said:
Man that's no way to treat a new member. Still trying to figure out how the forum works. I hope everyone one is not like you.
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I actually spend time helping when I can.

Maybe I was a little blunt. Still though, I mean it is rude to hijack a thread.

Click "forums" at the top. The second one listed is "newbie central", click on that. Then click " post new thread." You could also post in hydro section instead.

Post a new thread on it and you will get more responses than hijacking.

Have a good day.
 
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Tman20

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whitebb2727 said:
I actually spend time helping when I can.

Maybe I was a little blunt. Still though, I mean it is rude to hijack a thread.

Click "forums" at the top. The second one listed is "newbie central", click on that. Then click " post new thread." You could also post in hydro section instead.

Post a new thread on it and you will get more responses than hijacking.

Have a good day.
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Yeah, this is the first forum I have ever been on. Until it was explained to me, I thought hijacking was what happened to an airplane. Anyway I'm learning. Thanks for the advise.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Tman20 said:
Yeah, this is the first forum I have ever been on. Until it was explained to me, I thought hijacking was what happened to an airplane. Anyway I'm learning. Thanks for the advise.
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I replied to one of you other threads. Do you have some update pics?
 
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Tman20

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whitebb2727 said:
I replied to one of you other threads. Do you have some update pics?
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I finally got the rust spots under control, thanks to everyone's help. Special thanks to @Alaric for taking me under his wing. The condition did worsen before it got better, and it did stunt their growth. Sounds like it was either a oscillating PH or Mag Def from the RO water or both. Don't really know but draining, flushing & reservicing the rez seem to have corrected the problem. I now add CaliMag to rez and Plants have rebounded nicely. I recently switched to the Lucas Formula, and I really like it. I have been experimenting with some LST, but probably didn't start early enough. Just started Flowering today with 12/12 400W HPS. Picture attached.

Tman
 

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