hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I do like 18/6 to save in power costs
++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems
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hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Just as a refference what is the ph? And ppms?
Soaked the cubes in 5.5 then transplanted and filled res with ph perfect g/m/b,sensi cal,aquashield and root excelurator. ppm's are 750 and ph is about 6.3. But I am using ph perfect?
Thanks
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Hmm sounds spot on man! Might give it a day or so then if things are still off, do a flush and start over with new
nutes
nutes
legallyflying
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Hey HR,
i saw you mentioned you thought that protek will cause PH issues. Are you talking over time? I know several growers that use protek silica as PH up to get the right ph after they mix their base nutrients.
I have done it and it works pretty damn well really. Just throwing it out there.
i saw you mentioned you thought that protek will cause PH issues. Are you talking over time? I know several growers that use protek silica as PH up to get the right ph after they mix their base nutrients.
I have done it and it works pretty damn well really. Just throwing it out there.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
That was more targeted toward rhino skin, protek being the better of the two with less to zero issues.
legallyflying
Well-Known Member
Yeah. I saw that rhino skin. Must be made out of imported rhinoceros foreskin for the price they want for it.
Im getting rust spots again. Doesnt matter what fertilizer I use or what a lucas or KISS method. Every damn run I have rusty leaves that just curl up and die. I can start low and raise it. Start at full strength. medium strength, doesnt matter. Rust spots every single damn time. Almost at a year growing this train and still can get this shit right. Its a fuckin plant for christ sakes, why is it so damn hard to grow!
legallyflying
Well-Known Member
Well if you want assistance then you have to tell us what the hell your doing. This is why I like THCfarmer. Almost every plant hospital post begins with the information needed to offer assistance..such as..
Strain
What wattage of lights
Growing method
Watering cycle
Nutrient brand
Ppm of tap water, ppm of nutrients
Average daily and nightly temp
Average humidity
Pictures, good pictures, of your plants.
At this point we know fuck all. So it good be anything from hardness of your water to using an ungrounded pump
In your Rez.
Strain
What wattage of lights
Growing method
Watering cycle
Nutrient brand
Ppm of tap water, ppm of nutrients
Average daily and nightly temp
Average humidity
Pictures, good pictures, of your plants.
At this point we know fuck all. So it good be anything from hardness of your water to using an ungrounded pump
In your Rez.
legallyflying
Well-Known Member
The can cause problems with iron...
But spots are a sign of phos def. could be too much calcium or hard water. But then again, since you pretty much ignored my request to provide enough info to help you.. Who really gives a fuck
But spots are a sign of phos def. could be too much calcium or hard water. But then again, since you pretty much ignored my request to provide enough info to help you.. Who really gives a fuck
Ive been busy dickhead. And RIU went down for me last night.
My water is .3 ec out of the and about 7.1 ph, I have looked at the local water report and it all looks chinese to me. I didnt even see where calcium was listed.
I was putting clones directly from the cloner to the flood table but its like they dont even stretch. My environment is perfect so Im leaning toward my nutrient levels.
600watt hps 77 day 72 night
strain power plant, humidy 40%
Using hydroton, ph is stuck at 5.9 flooding every 3 hours till over is reached.
maxibloom at 7gs per gallon
what other info would be helpful?
My water is .3 ec out of the and about 7.1 ph, I have looked at the local water report and it all looks chinese to me. I didnt even see where calcium was listed.
I was putting clones directly from the cloner to the flood table but its like they dont even stretch. My environment is perfect so Im leaning toward my nutrient levels.
600watt hps 77 day 72 night
strain power plant, humidy 40%
Using hydroton, ph is stuck at 5.9 flooding every 3 hours till over is reached.
maxibloom at 7gs per gallon
what other info would be helpful?
legallyflying
Well-Known Member
The ppm of your nutrients. Also are you going straight to flower from rooted clone?
I use dyna grow bloom to establish roots in the first week (low N and very high P and high K). Have you tried different nutrients? Some people get goods results with GH but it is generally regarded as rather low quality nutrients.
If I were you I would try 3 things as it seems the problem is nutrient absorption, if you really have a boner for GH then just do the first 2.
1. Inoculate your table with beneficials. Brew 5 gallons of tea and then pour it on each plant site. Make sure to treat your water for chlorine or chloramine first (both your Nute water and tea water). By far the easiest way is to get some aquarium water treatment solution. It's cheap and gets rid of both and ammonia.
2. Start with a nutrient of about 400ppm total. Which will equate to 260 ppm of nutrients..PLENTY of juice for clones
3. Try a different brand of nutrients. DM, heavy 16, or botanicare. I have found heavy 16 the nicest.
I use dyna grow bloom to establish roots in the first week (low N and very high P and high K). Have you tried different nutrients? Some people get goods results with GH but it is generally regarded as rather low quality nutrients.
If I were you I would try 3 things as it seems the problem is nutrient absorption, if you really have a boner for GH then just do the first 2.
1. Inoculate your table with beneficials. Brew 5 gallons of tea and then pour it on each plant site. Make sure to treat your water for chlorine or chloramine first (both your Nute water and tea water). By far the easiest way is to get some aquarium water treatment solution. It's cheap and gets rid of both and ammonia.
2. Start with a nutrient of about 400ppm total. Which will equate to 260 ppm of nutrients..PLENTY of juice for clones
3. Try a different brand of nutrients. DM, heavy 16, or botanicare. I have found heavy 16 the nicest.
legallyflying
Well-Known Member
Oh yeah, lower your PH a little to 5.5 for the first week.
ok i will lower my ph to 5.5, the maxibloom brings my ph to 5.9 with my tapwater.
I will also be attempting to try dyna grow on a side to side with both tables, the clones i started 2 weeks ago are actually looking really good though only half of them elongated correctly. 6 stretch exactly as i wanted and 6 didnt, its like it takes to long for the roots to grow down into the flood level. They actually look pretty good.
Im using simple maxibloom trying to learn my plants and about reading your plants which I feel is my biggest weakness. Ive read countless problem threads and it seems alot of the deficiencies have the same signs or can be caused by other deficencies.
I will also be attempting to try dyna grow on a side to side with both tables, the clones i started 2 weeks ago are actually looking really good though only half of them elongated correctly. 6 stretch exactly as i wanted and 6 didnt, its like it takes to long for the roots to grow down into the flood level. They actually look pretty good.
Im using simple maxibloom trying to learn my plants and about reading your plants which I feel is my biggest weakness. Ive read countless problem threads and it seems alot of the deficiencies have the same signs or can be caused by other deficencies.
Mithrandir420
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I haven't tried Maxibloom but I get fantastic results using GH 3 part in an E & F set up with hydroton. Personally, I am not a fan of one part nutes. Not enough adjustability for me. When my ph goes above 5.9 I see issues.
I don't like going directly from clone to flower. I always give them 5 - 7 days veg to develop roots and get used to the intense lighting.
I have problems if I flood too often too early. Or if the cube (I clone in rockwool) is too deep in the pot in relation to the flood level. (overwatering/drowning)
I am not saying any of these are your problem, but it stuff to think about as you look at and evaluate your system.
legallyflying
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I flower big plants..cause I'm a legal grower but at any rate, if your roots are fucked up or not growing then you will see all kids of problems
This last round my clones got slimed and I had to cut back all the roots. The plants looked like HELL. Yellow leaves, spots, purple stems, name it. My buddy said, dude, throw those away! And I said, nah, they just need to root. Give them 7-10 days and they will explode! Well, they exoded alright! My friend came back in two weeks and there were bushy ass 2 foot plants in there . Where did those come from? Uhhhh. Those are the same plants .
Never flowered or veged with dyna grow. Just used the flower formula to root with. Then I just add veg nutes on top of them a week or so later.
Goo luck
This last round my clones got slimed and I had to cut back all the roots. The plants looked like HELL. Yellow leaves, spots, purple stems, name it. My buddy said, dude, throw those away! And I said, nah, they just need to root. Give them 7-10 days and they will explode! Well, they exoded alright! My friend came back in two weeks and there were bushy ass 2 foot plants in there . Where did those come from? Uhhhh. Those are the same plants .
Never flowered or veged with dyna grow. Just used the flower formula to root with. Then I just add veg nutes on top of them a week or so later.
Goo luck
Ok so after reading all this I have a few questions; The flow and grow seems to be the choice do I need to raise them off the ground still or have the new pots overcome this? has anyone tried the sentinal yet? Also am I correct in reading that you were flooding three times a day but have started to flood only twice and have seen an improvement in the type of root grow?
Thanks! I have been considering trying one of these systems for a while...
Thanks! I have been considering trying one of these systems for a while...