Heisenbeans Genetics

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antonioverde

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Heisenbeans said:
If a breeder truly wanted to stabilize a strain they could pop a few hundred s1s and select a mother as close to the original as possible and than back cross. Those back crosses would be great stock but nothing wilm be as close to original mom than an S1 or F1 cross.
The reason breeders back cross is trying to get close to a mom when they only had F1 seeds to work with from the beginning and a Male used that wasnt close to the target strain.
F1S and S1s are always gonna be the best crosses IMO because trying to select generations only gets further away unless the breeder is looking for something different.
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That is wrong thinking. Look at gg4 s1. Full of chemsis and dub leaners. Very few gg4 s1 resemble the cut. You have to get lucky or run through massive numbers. When you backcross or self, plants get less heterozygous each generation. This leads to trait segregation particulary in the trendy poly hybrids of today.
Pop a bunch of gg4 s1 versus my gorilla bubble bx4. You will find a much higher frequency of gg4 leaners in the bx4. In gg4 s1 you see mainly segregation of the glue traits and that leads to all those phenos that look like gg4 ancestors. Chemsis the dub etc.
Selfing only gets you a high frequency of plants that look like the mom if she was mostly homozygous to begin with. With a poly hybrid s1 will not deliver a high frequency that resemble the mom exactly at all.

Further generations only get further from the original mom with poor selection. A skill that is not relied on largely by todays "chuckers".
 
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Heisenbeans

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antonioverde said:
That is wrong thinking. Look at gg4 s1. Full of chemsis and dub leaners. Very few gg4 s1 resemble the cut. You have to get lucky or run through massive numbers. When you backcross or self, plants get less heterozygous each generation. This leads to trait segregation particulary in the trendy poly hybrids of today.
Pop a bunch of gg4 s1 versus my gorilla bubble bx4. You will find a much higher frequency of gg4 leaners in the bx4. In gg4 s1 you see mainly segregation of the glue traits and that leads to all those phenos that look like gg4 ancestors. Chemsis the dub etc.
Selfing only gets you a high frequency of plants that look like the mom if she was mostly homozygous to begin with. With a poly hybrid s1 will not deliver a high frequency that resemble the mom exactly at all.

Further generations only get further from the original mom with poor selection. A skill that is not relied on largely by todays "chuckers".
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Do you have any pics of the real GG4 that u have grown?
 
VillageAnt

VillageAnt

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Heisenbeans said:
My goal here is complete transparency and to show everyone what I'm doing and probably explaining things maybe a little to much.
Dude has a seed company for years and never once makes a single fem and now they see ol heisen doing it I guess that means anyone can do it.
It takes a lot of discipline and complete attention to detail to pull this shit off. I hope your reading this cause i know you do but i wish you would sell s1s or fems. That would be the nail in the coffin. You cant be gone away from your establishment 6 days a week and pay other people and depend on them to do this shit right.
This ain't putting a blower in a room with a single Male. This shit takes cubic yards of patience and failures to perfect.
People wanna see the genetics that we are working with not just name drops. Motherfuker wont even test a single plant but now gonna do fems lol. This business is funny
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The reason I am so interested in your bean company is because I've read through the entire Greenpoint thread and saw that you are calling out all the bullshit and trying to rectify it with your own company, by not doing all of these bullshit things that these other companies do. I admire that. Keep up the good work. You got my full support, and the support of many others! Once you get the ball rolling, and people see that you weren't fucking around, I'm sure that you will become quite successful. Really looking forward to popping some of your beans.
 
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VillageAnt

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Heisenbeans said:
Fems are better for smaller growers without the space to sex 20 plants to get a couple females.
I personally like em and think it's a complete bullshit misconception that regs are more stable or better than fems. Using a Male is a crapshoot in some cases. With 2 females you know they both are fire.
I've seen as many herms with regs than with fems. I think fems get a bad rap when breeders use stress techniques and use pollen from a female that was already showing hermie tendancies.
Females reversed by chemical manipulation that otherwise would never herm are good to go.
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Right, almost any female from any strain can be manipulated to grow balls. That doesn't mean that feminized seeds would have any more of a tendency to grow balls under normal conditions. That never made any sense to me.
 
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Heisenbeans

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antonioverde said:
A couple hundred at icmag. My glue cut came from the original circle about 6 years ago. Here are a couple 1 pound plus gg4.

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Great what u did with the bubble but I've seen s1 crosses that looked closer to the glue than the first and second bx2 bubble crosses.
There is no way you can dial in the plants genetics unless you have a way to genetically test every plant you cross to with the original cut. Standing back and squinting and eyeballing a plant is still a crap shoot.

First gen crosses or F1s are still the closest representation to the parent for people seeking that representation.
 
Precaution

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Getting excited about your sunset sherbert coming. I am sure it was a hard call on the trade but, l thank you. You made my day seeing that announcement
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Heisenbeans

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Precaution said:
Getting excited about your sunset sherbert coming. I am sure it was a hard call on the trade but, l thank you. You made my day seeing that announcement
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Yeah man it was cause I really did not want to give up the cut i have cause only like 4 people that I know of have it. Not to stressed though cause once I start dropping 500 plant pheno hunts I'll be posting pics and selecting wack ass keepers to work with.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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If there is anything left I would like a pack of anything to test. I'll be running the autos here shortly and would like to test any of the fem s1 or crosses.
 
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Ginger Viking said:
Another little trick is to put it in a freezer for a few days. Let it thaw out a day or 2 and then try to pop it as you normally would. I suppose it is trying to mimic season change.
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I'm a little behind.

The freezer method works sometimes. Cracking them your fingers works if you are gentle. Using a piece of sandpaper to the seam thin works.

I prefer to sand the seams thin then sand the entire hull lightly then soak in water for 12-24 hours then put them in wet paper towels then in a zip lock bag then on a seed mat. This is the only time I will use paper towels to germ.

If they swell and don't want to pop I gently squeeze them to open the hull. You have to be gentle.
 
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