Health of Organic vs Synthetic Flowers

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    sourgummy

    sourgummy Well-Known Member

    So I have recently heard that actually hydro flowers have been tested with less heavy metals than organic ones. This is thought to be due to the high amount of heavy metals present in organic soil amendments. So now the question, does this mean that our bodies will be better off using hydro-grown flowers? Cause if so I am down for hydro yields. I would appreciate to hear some thoughts on the more experienced people who have read more on this than me or already know. From what I heard its not much of a debate though, but being organic myself this confused me. But I am not close minded and always up for a tweak in effort to improve.

    edit: more correctly synthetic nutes used to grow flowers vs organic
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member

    mineral salt based is a term I’m trying. :-)

    And pure hydro with powdered fertilizer would yield the cleanest flowers as far as heavy metals go. Any buildup can almost be eliminated.

    But organic with micro life breaking down nutrients is shown to add more terpenes and flavonoids and in my opinion may help the plant grow more naturally.

    What does that mean? Maybe not much because in our tests here no one correctly identified which flowers were which in many blind tests using organic based and “chemical” based nutes.

    And sometimes the flavors were compared to good outdoor grown.

    Which none were.
     
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    OneHitDone

    OneHitDone Well-Known Member

    From a heavy metal perspective it would make sense that being able to precisely control the inputs would yield the cleaner product.

    I have done several line taste tests with coco and hydro with organic supplements and other local growers soil grown crops and my circle of testers generally prefer the mineral inert media hydro with a few select supplements. None that impart a "flavor" to the finished product
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    I have learned to taper the concentration of fertilizer lower as buds ripen trying to stay as “even” with dosage as they actually need. This has increased individual plants flavors as well as potency and complexity.

    When compared with me over or underfeeding I mean.
     
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    OneHitDone

    OneHitDone Well-Known Member

    Exactly, and a clean finish in the absence of nutrients has done wonders for my ash quality.
    I have not been exceeding an EC of 1.2 in bloom these days and the plants are happy as ever
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    Nice to hear. In potting soil and perlite mix I am even lower than that with most strains/crosses.

    I do tend to underfeeding rather than over as a rule.
     
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    sourgummy

    sourgummy Well-Known Member

    wow interesting to hear that. Sounds like I should be giving some of this a try. Would be nice actually to be able to do this and not have to mix soil anymore. I already got blumats so I could do this easily and I will on the next run I think to test it out. I got some organic soil grown now and smells are fantastic, so I could use clones to see the next round of those same plants. That would be a couple months before theyre in flower though
     
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    sourgummy

    sourgummy Well-Known Member

    ive seen jacks 321 be a favorite of many, anybody else have any other recommends for nute lines?
     
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    Observe & Report

    Observe & Report Well-Known Member

    When was "organic with micro life breaking down nutrients is shown to add more terpenes" ? It wasn't. Some experiments on crops not even closely related to Cannabis might have shown an increase flavinoids in those crops, maybe. Why do Cannabis growers care about flavinoids? They have nothing to do with flavor. Even if the experiment revealed an actual effect, it might not apply to Cannabis. More research is needed.

    Then in your own experiments, nobody could tell the difference between organic and not. Despite that you cling to the idea that organic gives better Cannabis flowers because of one experiment somewhere? You have to consider all the evidence and that evidence doesn't show an improvement in the quality of Cannabis from organic techniques. So far, it appears to be wishful thinking on the part of organic growers.
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    Actually I prefer a hybrid system to be sure all nutrients and different sources of nitrogen are available at all times.

    I do believe that the full “recipe” of terps, flavonoids, canabanoids and who knows what else we will learn determine the full effect of the flowers.

    I found it easiest to get best results with a natural base and added fertilizer as needed.

    I agree more research is needed.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member

    What heavy metals are we actually talking about? Cadmium is the one I would be most concerned about.

    Many organic grower use amendments that have high amounts of heavy metals and the risk is in the MIXING from exposure. How much is actually being taken into the plant is a different story. Lead for instance goes to tubers and green leaf crops in much higher amounts than flowers and fruit.

    Cadmium uptake is influenced by soil factors and the shit is bad in very small amounts.

    Heavy metals in soil


    https://www.rollitup.org/t/heavy-metals-in-soil.960576/
     
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    sourgummy

    sourgummy Well-Known Member


    well we are talking about cannabis flowers here. And as far as testing goes, its a fact that organic flowers have more heavy metals than syntheticly grown cannabis flowers. I was surprised but hey facts are facts.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member


    Comparing clear with transparent.
    Whose flowers and whose facts?
     
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    sourgummy

    sourgummy Well-Known Member

    the testing has been done. I don't have links so if you'd like to look go ahead.
     
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    Yodaweed

    Yodaweed Well-Known Member

    Don't listen to these novice salt growers, organic is the cleanest and best tasting flowers can be achieved, these guys just don't have the skills to bring the terpenes out with organic gardening so they go the easy way that produces decent quality but does not compare to the total cannabinoid content organic brings.
     
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    sourgummy

    sourgummy Well-Known Member

    well you would be simply wrong. Like I said, facts are facts. This isnt a discussion to justify what people use. Its about the cleanest END product. Organic flowers are not as clean as synthetically grown cannabis flowers. That is not up for discussion since it is a fact.
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    don't listen to yoda, ever.
    just because he tends to over do it and fucks things up when he uses synthetics, doesn't make them bad. i do not over use them, and grow tasty, nicely burning weed that leaves a nice white ash. there's nothing wrong with either way, if you like to use organic methods, more power to you. i just don't have anywhere to put a compost heap and a worm bin....
     
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    sourgummy

    sourgummy Well-Known Member

    I would agree that so far from my experience organic flowers have smelled better and tasted better. But this has not been a closely monitored study sort of thing done by me. No strains to compare that i had organic and synthetic flowers of. So but I do belive there is something more to it with the organic stuff.
     
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    sourgummy

    sourgummy Well-Known Member

    haha ya when someone calls others novice without knowing anything they do, or anyone making claims like that, you always stay away or take with a huge grain of salt what they say. Calling others novice doesn't prove your point at all and I am sure there are growers way more skilled than he thinks
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    yoda isn't stupid, by any means, but he does seem to be highly opinionated, and slightly intolerant of people that don't agree with him. what ever you do, don't get him started about l.e.d.s......
     
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