Hazeman Suggestions? First time grower! Need help with organic soil also

Hey all brand new to the forum, I'm going to be running some Hazeman gear here hopefully soon. I'm a big fan of his, and this is my very first grow. I haven't had access to enough of his work so I'll be starting my grow there and hopefully staying in that neighborhood for a while. I'll be using Photon Fantom LEDs sun boards and fusion boards, and organic soil. My friend is walking me through the process but to make a long story short I'm at a stand still with the soil and nutrients.

I just need to know where I can learn an easy, cheap, tried and true recipe to make some organic soil myself or somewhere I can buy it. As well as whatever nutrients I need after that. There are so many different methods online I have literally no idea where to start and what's actually worth my time and effort. All I know is I need organic.

So my friend grew some (Federation I believe?) Mikado from Hazeman and crossed it with a single seed I found in a bag years ago. It's hands down the best mix of flavor and potency I've had in years, and literally ever since. But I will say it has possibly met it's match with Heroes of the Farm's Headdog. Whatever headband is in that is beyond exceptional, also some of the best flavor and potency I've ever had. I highly recommend trying it if it comes around your parts.

Sorry for the long winded post but if anyone can help out I'd truly appreciate it. So far for Hazeman seeds I have:

double grape x (pe/hb x wh/aww) - 2nd guessing this one after seeing some double grape grow larfy
gorilla glue 4 x underdawg d
gorilla glue 4 x durban poison
the white x durban poison
white urkle x astro kush
goji og x grape 13

And I'm interested in getting:

sfv fire og x blowfish
bulgaria x blowfish
blue bubba x blowfish
killer queen x blowfish
blowfish x headband/purple urkle
fat purple x black tuna
critical mass x deep chunk/sour diesel
sfv fire og x mikado
purple monkey balls x stardawg ix
chem d x durban poison
buckeye purple x durban poison
white grapes
breakout
molokai kush

But of course like I said I am very open to suggestions! If I didn't restrain myself this list would be twice as long lol. My friend says he'll give me a cut of his Mikado cross but I threw in a couple more. From what I've seen Blowfish looks like another absolute winner from Hazeman's stable. I don't have the means to cross any myself, my operation will be small (5 plants) so I'll likely just stick with what's available. Thanks in advance!

I will also be posting grow journals if anyone is interested in seeing some extremely underrated strains! I will be finishing them too lol. My IG is tribeamcannon add me and keep an eye on there too

Have u looked for a soil forum on RIU ?? Either that or just google sub cools soil mix....I have some stardawg and grape stomper from haze man but I haven’t tried anything of his,are u making a grow journal???

Haven't tried that. I asked my friend about sub cools soil mix, he says it isn't all it's cracked up to be. But he could be talking up his own stuff. I forgot to mention he does the Korean natural farming as well. And yes I'll definitely be making grow journals as soon as I get them popped thanks for the response!

firstnamelast said:

Haven't tried that. I asked my friend about sub cools soil mix, he says it isn't all it's cracked up to be. But he could be talking up his own stuff. I forgot to mention he does the Korean natural farming as well. And yes I'll definitely be making grow journals as soon as I get them popped thanks for the response!

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Well sub cools formula is the base formula for everybody’s organic mix I thought ????

I really have no clue honestly. He also said stay away from Fox Farm

There's a thousand soil recipes out there; just find one you like and go with it or just get a big old bag of some good garden soil and add aeration (perlite) and compost (EWC) to it. You can easily amend any organic soil mix as long as it does not contain those shitty time released pellets of miracle grow or whatever.
I started out with FFOF soil several years ago and just keep on recycling it. It seems to get better every time. Subcools mix is good but super expensive; it is not that hard to mix up your own. Coots mix is also a decent DIY recipe but you will need to source all the amendments to make it.
I don't use bokashi because I have my own worm bin which provides most of the compost I need. Organic growing in containers requires a source of active microbes which must be regularly replenished to maintain a healthy soil food web. Doesn't matter how you do it as long as you have access to a good clean water source which is more important than anything when growing organic and often overlooked by noobs. Check out the organic section there's a ton of good info there and here's a link to my thread; I'll try to help any way I can.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/dick-does-dank.909077/

Richard Drysift said:

There's a thousand soil recipes out there; just find one you like and go with it or just get a big old bag of some good garden soil and add aeration (perlite) and compost (EWC) to it. You can easily amend any organic soil mix as long as it does not contain those shitty time released pellets of miracle grow or whatever.
I started out with FFOF soil several years ago and just keep on recycling it. It seems to get better every time. Subcools mix is good but super expensive; it is not that hard to mix up your own. Coots mix is also a decent DIY recipe but you will need to source all the amendments to make it.
I don't use bokashi because I have my own worm bin which provides most of the compost I need. Organic growing in containers requires a source of active microbes which must be regularly replenished to maintain a healthy soil food web. Doesn't matter how you do it as long as you have access to a good clean water source which is more important than anything when growing organic and often overlooked by noobs. Check out the organic section there's a ton of good info there and here's a link to my thread; I'll try to help any way I can.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/dick-does-dank.909077/

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Thanks for your help, should I get a reverse osmosis system? I was speaking to DonTesla a bit about this he also mentioned Coots mix

Long read but quit a few good soil recipes.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/

I use a base of 1/3 each of peat base, worm castings and compost. From there it can stand alone for a bit or you can add more.

I add Espoma garden tone, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, rabbit manure and a bit of lime and oyster shell.

My compost consist of various manures, leaves, clean paper and cardboard, left over stalks and whatnot from the garden.

My worms are fed a well balanced diet including the previous things listed.

whitebb2727 said:

Long read but quit a few good soil recipes.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/

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Wooo thank you 400 pages is a serious task lol I've been trying to browse through these they are super overwhelming

firstnamelast said:

Wooo thank you 400 pages is a serious task lol I've been trying to browse through these they are super overwhelming

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I edited my post and added my recipe.

Get this book.

Like others I highly recommend a pre amended water/molasses only. For the ease and the quality in my opinion nothing beats it. In fact alot of strains much prefer it.
Cheers

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I edited my post and added my recipe.

Get this book.
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I've seen a lot of people recommend that. Thanks for adding your recipe!

firstnamelast said:

Thanks for your help, should I get a reverse osmosis system? I was speaking to DonTesla a bit about this he also mentioned Coots mix

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That really depends upon what water source you intend to use. If all you have access to is municipal tap water than the short answer is yes but RO is not the only source of getting non chlorinated water. You may even be able to use a single stage filter instead of RO if your ppms are low out of the tap. Collecting rain, melting snow runoff, or using well water is another option. So is using water collected from a clean dehumidifier sump or a/c unit.
I bought an RO unit a couple years ago & installed it near my backyard hose for easy hookup. It was indoors but not in an insulated nor heated area. It exploded during a very cold winter so it's pretty much useless now. Plus it was super wasteful; it takes 3 gals of wastewater to make a gal of RO water. Now I source water collected from a dehumidifier but because it's like 3ppms I need to add back soluble macros like calcium & magnesium. I have a grower friend with a well so I can source water from him when it's too dry to get anything in my dehuey. Also I collect rain and snow runoff in buckets when I can.

Richard Drysift said:

That really depends upon what water source you intend to use. If all you have access to is municipal tap water than the short answer is yes but RO is not the only source of getting non chlorinated water. You may even be able to use a single stage filter instead of RO if your ppms are low out of the tap. Collecting rain, melting snow runoff, or using well water is another option. So is using water collected from a clean dehumidifier sump or a/c unit.
I bought an RO unit a couple years ago & installed it near my backyard hose for easy hookup. It was indoors but not in an insulated nor heated area. It exploded during a very cold winter so it's pretty much useless now. Plus it was super wasteful; it takes 3 gals of wastewater to make a gal of RO water. Now I source water collected from a dehumidifier but because it's like 3ppms I need to add back soluble macros like calcium & magnesium. I have a grower friend with a well so I can source water from him when it's too dry to get anything in my dehuey. Also I collect rain and snow runoff in buckets when I can.

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City tap water unfortunately. Definitely chlorinated. What should I do to test it?

firstnamelast said:

City tap water unfortunately. Definitely chlorinated. What should I do to test it?

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You should get an annual water report that says what's in it. Getting a test might confirm what you already know..My tap water is laden with chloramine which cannot be leached off by aeration & smells like a pool sometimes. Some systems may still use regular chlorine in which case you can bubble it or let it set to remove it. So the options are
a wasteful & expensive RO system, collect water in a dehumidifier or a/c unit, or collect rain & snow or find some other source like a well or spring. In a pinch I have used the RO filter at Walmart for .37 per gal which isn't too bad but it is a pain in the ass lugging bigass water jugs all over town.

Richard Drysift said:

You should get an annual water report that says what's in it. Getting a test might confirm what you already know..My tap water is laden with chloramine which cannot be leached off by aeration & smells like a pool sometimes. Some systems may still use regular chlorine in which case you can bubble it or let it set to remove it. So the options are
a wasteful & expensive RO system, collect water in a dehumidifier or a/c unit, or collect rain & snow or find some other source like a well or spring. In a pinch I have used the RO filter at Walmart for .37 per gal which isn't too bad but it is a pain in the ass lugging bigass water jugs all over town.

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Looks like my town uses chlorine. Highest level found was 1.41 ppm, is that alright to just filter and let sit to aerate? Is that ok for human consumption?? Lol

I had no idea you could air it out honestly I'll have to do that for my own water heck. What about fluoride any harm come from that?

Yeah just let it set out for 24 hrs or bubble it for 12 if you need it faster. Chlorine is fine for the plants but it can slowly kill off the microbes you rely on to feed them by drying out their bodies. Chlorinated water is not the kiss of death; you can always add back to the micro herd populations by brewing up compost teas or adding EWC as a top dressing.

firstnamelast said:

I had no idea you could air it out honestly I'll have to do that for my own water heck. What about fluoride any harm come from that?

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Flouride is anti bacterial; plaque on your teeth is bacteria so yeah it is generally bad for the herd as well but not usually as highly concentrated in tap water as chlorine. Filtration should remove it; bubbling/boiling will not. I always thought Brita filters removed it but I guess not according to google. I know there are single stage filters you can hook up to your tap to remove flouride but I still recommend using another source other than tap if you can. All I can tell you is my plants definitely get super happy when given rain or natural spring water; they pray to me in homage.