H202 growth bursts

Gquebed

Gquebed

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Been using h202 to control sludge in my res. Maybe its working or maybe not. I dunno.
What I do know is that everytime i add it i seem to get a growth burst. The humidifier fills up faster in the next 24 hours. The leaves pray a little harder and the buds seem to swell more...noticeably.
I dunno if this is coincidence, as i know growth bursts happen periodically. At least they did in promix.
Ive read that the extra oxygen is supposed to help with nute uptake etc etc, but... since ive never done hydro before... im just wondering what im seeing in action here.
Thoughts...
 
Logan Burke

Logan Burke

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It could be due to the increased O2 in your water, which is temporary as it evaporates out after a day or so I believe. It could also be that the roots, before the h202, weren't uptaking nutes properly due to a growth of bad bacteria around the roots...then once the h202 is applied and the bad bacteria is killed off, the roots can resume appropriate uptake again and in turn helps enhance growth. Not sure which of the two is behind the growth spurts, could be a combo of both scenarios. Have you ever tried beneficial bacteria? H202 never did stop my root rot, delayed it from spreading even more at best. After switching to bennies I haven't had root rot in...hmmmm...five, maybe six years now with res temps routinely getting above 70F.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Logan Burke said:
It could be due to the increased O2 in your water, which is temporary as it evaporates out after a day or so I believe. It could also be that the roots, before the h202, weren't uptaking nutes properly due to a growth of bad bacteria around the roots...then once the h202 is applied and the bad bacteria is killed off, the roots can resume appropriate uptake again and in turn helps enhance growth. Not sure which of the two is behind the growth spurts, could be a combo of both scenarios. Have you ever tried beneficial bacteria? H202 never did stop my root rot, delayed it from spreading even more at best. After switching to bennies I haven't had root rot in...hmmmm...five, maybe six years now with res temps routinely getting above 70F.
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Well i discovered that the brown sludge i have been fighting isnt root rot or the start of it.
It appears to be caused by simply overfeeding. So now if i see the sludge start i top up the res with just RO water to bring down the EC and add some h202 with it which clears it all up.

Which leaves the million dollar question... is it added added oxygen from h2o2 that causes the growth spurt or is it just simply normal growth at the right EC?

I suppose both like you say, but i wonder... since i dont have a base line growth rate for hydro to go by and its a new strain for me too.
 
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Logan Burke

Logan Burke

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Yeah doing new strains alone has quite the learning curve, then you throw in other unknown factors like this and it can get a bit confusing. I'm guessing that the brown sludge is just excess nutrients building up?
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Logan Burke said:
Yeah doing new strains alone has quite the learning curve, then you throw in other unknown factors like this and it can get a bit confusing. I'm guessing that the brown sludge is just excess nutrients building up?
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Thats what im guessing. I notice the ppms rise a tad when ive overfed and the ph drifts up a bit too. So there is maybe a bit more to it than just build up...

I had a sweet spot one week a while back. Ppms didnt change and ph went from 5.8 to 5.9 in 7 days and the water level dropped like crazy. 3 gals a day. And it stayed clear all the way through... got some crazy growth...

Havent been able to hit that again though. I think temp and rh has to be just right too... and with all the weather changes we have had here for weeks those two things havent been consistent for me lately.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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that's what i thought of too. i think even the sludge and not rot will still "clog up" the roots and not allow them to uptake as normal. the peroxide strips that sludge off and they go into hyper-mode.
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Like mud... or silt.
 
Logan Burke

Logan Burke

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What brand of nutes are ya using Gquebed?...And wow 3 gals a day is a lot. Individually, each of my plants drink between a half a gallon and a gallon of nute solution a day when they're at the stage they're in right now, which is early flowering. In later flowering they'll usually start drinking at least 1 gallon a day even on cooler days. But I'm in DWC so I suppose uptake rates may be different.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Logan Burke said:
What brand of nutes are ya using Gquebed?...And wow 3 gals a day is a lot. Individually, each of my plants drink between a half a gallon and a gallon of nute solution a day when they're at the stage they're in right now, which is early flowering. In later flowering they'll usually start drinking at least 1 gallon a day even on cooler days. But I'm in DWC so I suppose uptake rates may be different.
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Using GH flora....
Got 18 plants going
That pic is 2 weeks ago
 

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Logan Burke

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The Flora Trio or the other Flora series? If it's the other Flora series, I can see why as I think they're more towards the organic side of the nutrient spectrum. Or at least contain some organic materials. It can look awfully nasty when it gets built up. And beautiful plants man!! ScROGging? Looks like you're doing great!
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Logan Burke said:
The Flora Trio or the other Flora series? If it's the other Flora series, I can see why as I think they're more towards the organic side of the nutrient spectrum. Or at least contain some organic materials. It can look awfully nasty when it gets built up. And beautiful plants man!! ScROGging? Looks like you're doing great!
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Its the trio... and ya... its s great run for only my 2nd go at hydro (ebb and flo tables).
No scrog yet. Next round. Had i known how much stretch there was going to be for this strain i woulda set up...lol
 
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Aqua Man

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If h2o2 is causing growth spurts it's because you have issues and what @Logan Burke referenced is likely. There is no reason why adding h2o2 would improve growth... It just possibly corrects issues causing slowed growth not boosts it.

With h2o2 you need to add this regularly in order to prevent this from happening in the first place.

Any organics require bacteria to break it down so sterile is not an effective system for organics even with small amounts.

If you go sterile go all synthetic nutes no exceptions.

If your live then some organics is beneficial imo.i largely prefer a live system for many many reasons but they do require more knowledge and understanding to make work properly
 
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