Gun Slayings
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A slug from a top slug gun used by a top shot is only good for 60 yards tops. My best slug gun [and I AM a very good shot] would start to get iffy at 40 yards. Although a sabot from the right barrel and the use of open sights [not beads] could get you into a 1ft. group at 100 yards. I believe in one shot one kill.
A 30-30 rifle under the right condions is only good for 100 yards.
1. A shotgun is good for home defence because with shot the penetration of walls and killing after is minaimized due to energy loss from the penetration.
2. At home a shotguns size and weight is of less concern and most people will tend to difer to someone so armed.
3. The big thing is loaded with 4 or 6 shot[with reg.brass] a 12ga. with a 18in. barrel or longer WILL drop a big man [mostly] for good from 0 to 20ft, if hit close to center mass. My pick would be #4s for in home as wall penetration and the potential harm after goes up with the size of the pellet and at 20ft. the gain from a larger pellet is minamal when it comes to puting someone down, though the death rate would go up a bit from the extra penetration.
A shotgun doesn't spray, shot leaves the barrel in mass the diflection from air causes the pattern to open up.
At 0 to 90ft. 00 buckshot would be good killing round to use, close in a shotgun will kill as well or better than most anything. Buckshot sizes go from #3, #2, #1, 0, 00, 000,
I have one of the 500s myself at less than 200 bucks with a coupon for a free extra barrel,[20+ years ago] I ordered the 20in. slug barrel that has open sights, I got it because of the short barrel for a home gun, by adding a pistol grip its very short [the feds will send you to jail short] removed the sights so they wont hangup, before I did I tested it and found that 00 buck was a sure kill past where I could hope to hit a deer with that combo.
Jumping deer in the brush is about the only way I would pick to use a shotgun for deer.
My pick for home defence is 12ga. side by sides with barrels cut down to 18 1/4in. with a stock bandoleer for extra ammo. I have 3 such that are always loaded [barrels down] the little lady handles them very well and can hit you dead center from the hip at 20ft, the 500 would be loaded if there was a reason. Also 3 to 6 revolvers are always loaded around the house. Auto loaders due to mag springs are not part of my basic home defence the same for simiauto rifles and the 500. I keep it simple pull the trigger and it shoots as under pressure cocked and locked could be problematic for most that shoot a lot. My stuff could go 30 years untouched and shoot every time you pulled the trigger.
bicycle racer
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i agree about #4 buck for indoor use. but to say a 30/30 is no good past 100 yards is simply not true. i use to screw around with standard non-sabot slugs in a standard m-37 with a front bead you can hit a torso sized target at 100 yards with practice. not the choice for that range but its doable. its easy to shoot a good 1911 out to 100 yards on torso sized targets as well. i have seen one of the better competitive shooters hit a balloon consistently with a snub nosed .38 at 200 yards had to see it to believe. that kind of shooting is beyond most people. top shooters can out shoot a pistol in a ranson rest(misspelled i think) people seem to underestimate the inherent accuracy of most modern firearms and the skill of good shooters. i use to buy swedish mausers chambered for 6.5*55mm for $100 bucks with badly corroded barrels they would still shoot great to 700 or 800 yards.
While what I tryed to say was a 30-30 NOT under the right condions is only good for a 100 yards. Not much different but try to understand my point was and is to help nubes start out in a way that will lead to success in the killing of a deer. To drop a deer for sure, a shoulder or spine shot is the best, a heart/artery shot and they will not run that far and will leave a blood trail a nube could follow, these are less than a 3in. target and a shooter with a little experience will shoot about that at 50 yards with a open sight offhand, and very few good shots will do better at 100 yards.
A gun is a tool and should be used where and how it works best.
More large bears and moose than you can count have been taken with a 22 LR. But I wouldn't tell anyone to try it.
I could say that the most deadly round for elephant, rhino, hippo and lion IS THE 303 as it has killed more of them than any other round, and it has been used to kill all large game, BUT am I going to tell someone to use it for such? Hell no, would you?
So you see that while something CAN be done my thoughts are to keep someone in the sweet spot not put them on the ragged edge.
My cuz and his dad have killed for more deer with shotguns than anyone else than I know with slugs and buckshot they both shoot around 3in. at 50 yards with slugs but they are great shots and taken the time to find combos that work for them
A m-37 is damn sure a good gun and you have used one with slugs how far do you think you shoot this combo and keep a 5 shot group in 3in. ?
Understand that you were shooting the m-37 using only the front bead because of the drop, much as I did with the m-79 and its true you can good doing this, but try it in low light in the woods on a not easy to see deer that moves without an x marks the spot on him.
You said above the 45 bested the slug, how far do you feel that you can be sure to put down a deer with a 45?
With any of my 4 charter arms undercovers 1 7/8in. barrel I can shoot around 5in. at 75 yards and if the balloon was 20in. with practice and shooting when i'm on I might do well at it myself. You can believe that his snuby is setup to do what he does with it and is a long way from factory.
I have 2 model 18 smiths with 4in. barrels and I can keep them in 2in. at 50 yards. Same K frame as my 65 and 66 model 357 smiths I picked up the first one as a cheep way to practice fast close in shooting, but they are sweet shooting pistols.
Its a ransom rest, and i'm not sure about someone shooting better without it but I DO agree with the reat.
I picked up 2 very nice 98s in 7-57 years ago one I rebarreled in 30-06 [my fav all around cal] both have been up graded [glass bedded actions new triggers bolts bent down ect.] the 7-57 is a 1moa gun and the 30-06 shoots 1/2 moa.
Shooting with badly corroded barrel could lead to very high pressure and failure. The very strong action of the mauser may have saved you. Do you know the signs of over pressure? Did you check?
I'm not sure what shooting great at 700 or 800 yards would be.
bicycle racer
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have you seen jerry michulek shoot fun to watch quite amazing so fast it looks faked.
Stoney McFried
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I don't know a lot about guns, but my dad used to shoot them with a .22 rifle, sometimes.He was a marksman, and always got them in the head and the heart. But usually, isn't that too small?
medicineman
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Although one could kill a deer with a .22LR, the most common outcome would be to wound it and have it flee to die a slow painful death some distance away.
Stoney McFried
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They always died quickly. Like I said, dad was a good shot. He often used the .410, I think.He had a closet full of hunting rifles, a lot of the time he just used them so they wouldn't sit there. But he didn't believe in making an animal suffer, so he probably didn't use the .22 as much for deer hunting because of that. I know he had an old remington that belonged to my grandfather, it was HUGE, and he rarely used that, because the kick on it would fuck up your shoulder.
bicycle racer
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the remington was probably a 30/06 very common chambering.
Stoney McFried
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I think you're right... I think he did call it the "aught six"...i know this was 20 or so years ago, and the gun was 75 years old and in beautiful shape...it would be almost 100 now. I wish I had it, but my mom sold off a lot of stuff after my dad died.
bicycle racer
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highly likely thats what it was there very common in the states. still used by many hunters today.
His .410 could be used to shoot a .45 long colt, it was and is used when deer arn't in season and you can't carry a center fire rifle in the woods.
I was fine tuning a .30 06 for an elk hunt a few years back and shot a little over 100 rounds, my shooting of big bores had left me not thinking of a 30 06 as having a kick, the next morning I couldn't understand why my shoulder was sore I was so dumb it took hours before I got it.
Bike racer I have seen some trick shots on tv but don't know who they were, though I have a few tricks of my own but they are for me to push the envelope and to add stress to my practice like taking a cracker and tossing it up with my right hand then drawing a .38 from a shoulder holster with my right hand and shooting it at about heart high in the air if someones watching it adds a little stress to the game.
bicycle racer
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worse recoil ive experienced was from a side by side african game rifle i think made by holland and holland if i recall as it was not my rifle it was chambered for 450 nitro express it fired if i remember correctly a 450 grain bullet at around 2600 fps give or take no muzzle break of any kind ouch. i assume the foot pounds of energy to be at least 7000. ive also shot barrett semi auto sniper rifles chambered for .50 bmg they are gas operated and have a huge muzzle break so even though it hits with 1200 or so foot pounds recoil is mild considering the power of the cartridge fun fun.
couchlock907
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