Guess how many weeks left...

jjf1978 · Apr 22, 2009

I don't want to say how many weeks she's been flowering because I am interested to see if you guys can guess how much longer she has to go.

I know sativas shoul be harvested at a minimum of 9 weeks. I am totally looking for a energetic head high, I really can't stand the "couch-lock" high.

I've read that in order to get the good energetic head high you should havest when most of the tri-chromes are cloudy and some are amber, correct? People say to buy a microscope to check, thats great but no one seems to mention HOW to take the sample? Do you cut a piece of budd off? Also where on the plant would you take the sample from?

jjf1978 · Apr 22, 2009

Having problems posting the pictures

malbulja · Apr 22, 2009

jjf1978 said:
I am totally looking for a energetic head high, I really can't stand the "couch-lock" high.

I've read that in order to get the good energetic head high you should havest when most of the tri-chromes are cloudy and some are amber, correct? People say to buy a microscope to check, thats great but no one seems to mention HOW to take the sample? Do you cut a piece of budd off? Also where on the plant would you take the sample from?

Forget the stupid 10 year old GrowFAQ chart that shows up in every other post here. If you want a racy, energetic high then grow a sativa and harvest it when its done. I'm sorry but harvesting a hybrid or an Indica early to try to mimic a natural Sativa high doesn't even compare.

Monitoring Trichome colors is not for beginners because its just too easy to fuck up and harvest way too early. Just wait until the plant is done and enjoy the genetics for the plant you've grown.

hobogrower · Apr 22, 2009

I'd say 6 to 8 weeks and your second picture looks like its seeded is it bagseed. Why are you acting like your not asking for help if your thinking of cutting them don't. The first pic looks good and the ones in the background also look decent so keep growing you should definatley not be in the harvest section go into the indoor threads and figure out how to fatten up those buds they look like they could be week 3 or 4 so maybe even ten weeks left if its bagseed.

jjf1978 · Apr 22, 2009

malbulja said:
Forget the stupid 10 year old GrowFAQ chart that shows up in every other post here. If you want a racy, energetic high then grow a sativa and harvest it when its done. I'm sorry but harvesting a hybrid or an Indica early to try to mimic a natural Sativa high doesn't even compare.

Monitoring Trichome colors is not for beginners because its just too easy to fuck up and harvest way too early. Just wait until the plant is done and enjoy the genetics for the plant you've grown.

That is exactly what I think I'm going to do. I put so much time and effort into this grow that I really want to a) not harvest too early and b) let it grow to its full budd capacity.

jjf1978 · Apr 22, 2009

jjf1978 said:
That is exactly what I think I'm going to do. I put so much time and effort into this grow that I really want to a) not harvest too early and b) let it grow to its full budd capacity.

Well the pictures aren't really enough information to make a good guess....I am on day 31 of Flowering. The budd changed a little from yesterday, today you can that the Calyxs' enlarged and look like they are ready to burst open. Cant wait to see what it looks like when they open!

I am using 150W HPS and a T5 2' in my grow tent. The strain is some form of bagseed sativa? Do I look about on track for day 31 ? Give me your honest opinion so I can make the proper adjustments next grow (got a bunch of female clones ready to flower after this is finished)

So anyway I'm guessing another 4-5 weeks?

malbulja · Apr 22, 2009

jjf1978 said:
So anyway I'm guessing another 4-5 weeks?

Sharp looking ladies, btw. Don't get caught up with ironing out times. When she's ready she'll let you know because the hairs will be receded, she'll be full, and have an amber glow. The leaves will all be yellow or missing and it will look just like a natural autumn cycle of end of life. If its a pure Sativa it could take a while but the high is amazing!

jjf1978 · Apr 22, 2009

malbulja said:
Sharp looking ladies, btw. Don't get caught up with ironing out times. When she's ready she'll let you know because the hairs will be receded, she'll be full, and have an amber glow. The leaves will all be yellow or missing and it will look just like a natural autumn cycle of end of life. If its a pure Sativa it could take a while but the high is amazing!

Based on the bud from its parent that I've smoked it is definitely a good head high, not that couch-lock kind...nothing wrong with that if that is your thing but I find myself falling asleep too early on that kind...

t0k3s · Apr 23, 2009

jjf1978 said:
Based on the bud from its parent that I've smoked it is definitely a good head high, not that couch-lock kind...nothing wrong with that if that is your thing but I find myself falling asleep too early on that kind...

If the bud it came from was harvested when ripe,then you should have a high similar to that when yours is ripe,just let it grow until it has nothing left,no super green leafs,and no new pistol growth when that has all ceased,then think about when to harvest :joint:

SpruceZeus · Apr 23, 2009

Plants look good.

Like malbulja and t0k3s Said, ripe weed is the only way to go. After you've done a few harvests, you'll realize that these tales of harvesting early for a head high are grossly exaggerated heresay. The strain, more than anything dictates the high.
I'm so tired of our friend (i'm not gonna name names, only that it rhymes with 'trick fop') going to every thread and copy+pasting the same trich maturity chart without any other mention of the other, more reliable signs mature cannabis shows.
The fact of the matter is, using trichomes alone as a gauge for maturity/peak potancy is a slippery slope.

Regardless, your plants look like they have a long while yet. Don't get caught up on the amount of weeks left, just keep the plant healthy and when it is almost done it will let you know.

Best of luck and happy growing

Brick Top · Apr 23, 2009

malbulja said:
Forget the stupid 10 year old GrowFAQ chart that shows up in every other post here. If you want a racy, energetic high then grow a sativa and harvest it when its done. I'm sorry but harvesting a hybrid or an Indica early to try to mimic a natural Sativa high doesn't even compare.

Monitoring Trichome colors is not for beginners because its just too easy to fuck up and harvest way too early. Just wait until the plant is done and enjoy the genetics for the plant you've grown.

That is pure ignorance. What you are preaching is for people to accept a high or a stone that they least prefer because it is what you do and what you like and what you believe in.

The singular reason to grow your own herb is to get the very best herb that you can, the herb you like the most so what is wrong with fine tuning what you grow so it best suits your own likes and tastes?

In general I agree with your position of if someone wants a sativa high then grow a sativa and if they like an indica stone grow an indica but your logic and rationale still falls apart come harvest time because if you most like a clear soaring cerebral head high of a sativa you will not harvest it when the trichomes are amber because that will dull the effects you most want. At the same time if you want as much couch-lock as you can get you will not harvest an indica when the trichomes are milky white. The same information that you claim is outdated still applies and is still totally valid.

Using your reasoning no one should ever have created crosses because that it an attempt to alter nature and landrace genetics.

You may not be able to understand that but your position is to let nature take its course so since that is your position nature should never have been tampered with.

By picking a cross you have picked something that has been altered and is neither one or the other, sativa or indica, and the result is unnatural so how can it actually take natures course?

You say go natural but yo do not limit that to only natural strains. That is something hypocritical on your part. You want things to work both ways.

The only way to try to answer that is to ignore that it is unnatural to begin with and to claim that what you believe to be the singular best way to grow/harvest is to allow plants to grow for as long as possible before THC degradation reaches a point where the loss is unacceptable.

Once the trichomes have turned milky white the THC is as potent as it gets, it has maxed out and does not increase after that point. When the trichomes begin to turn amber the THC increase, as in potency levels, has leveled off so herb with amber trichomes is not more potent that herb with milky white trichomes. Once the trichomes begin to turn from amber to brown THC has started to degrade and you lose THC.

What happens when the trichomes turn from milky white to amber is different cannabinoids increase in level and the effects that are then felt when smoked are different. It gives you more of a narcotic effect, a messed up feeling that very many people confuse with being higher potency and with having higher levels of THC. But that is not why the effects are different, there is not an increase in THC when trichomes turn from milky white to amber.

If someone wants to increase the amount of THC, not the level of THC but instead the amount of THC, they should give their plants 72-hours of darkness before harvesting them.

The Stichting Institute of medical Marijuana (SIMM), the first company to sell marijuana through the pharmacies of Holland, has been investigating the medical possibilities of cannabis, together with TNO laboratories and the University of Leiden.

One of their discoveries has been that to keep the ripe plants in the dark before harvesting could increase their potency.

SIMM's growers separated a crop of mature plants, harvested half of them and kept the other half in absolute darkness for 72 hours before cutting and drying.

Analysis of the resulting dried buds showed that some varieties had seen increases of THC of up to 30 %, while the CBD and CBN remained the same.

A 30% increase in THC is HUGE but I have to assume you will say that is not something that happens in nature so it cannot work and it should not be done even though the results of doing so have been proven and can pay tremendous dividends.

For some inexplicable reason you want everyone to grow/smoke pot that you like the best instead of telling them the facts and allowing them to grow/smoke pot that they will like the best.

Why is that? Why is it that you do not believe that each individual should not decide for themselves what they like the best and then allow them to make sure they get what they like the best?

All they are doing is fine tuning their herb to best suit their personal likes and taste so what in the wide, wide world of sports is wrong with that?

As for monitoring trichome color it is a breeze. All someone needs is an inexpensive scope from Radio Shack and to know what the different trichome color will give them and then they look at their plants. You do not need to be a botanist to know the difference between clear and milky white and amber and brown.

If you believe that it is difficult to be able to monitor trichome color then you have to believe it is equally difficult to pick out the amber trichomes you love so dearly and claim to be the only way to go.

Consider your rationale, you postulate that it is hard to monitor clear and milky white so what would be so easy to determine amber or amber from brown? Following your advice couldn't someone harvest to late as easily as harvesting to early and end up with compost? How are they going to be able to know when to harvest according to your advice any more than they will know when to harvest by going by the trichome chart?

Your logic and rationale does not pass the Pepsi challenge.

You give horrible information that is not fact based and is only opinion based. It is only based in your personal lies and taste and beliefs and nothing more.

Opinion is not fact and it should not be spread as being fact. That is a MAJOR problem with sites like this. Most of the information shared/spread is opinion based or based in myths or urban legends or old hippie beliefs handed down through the years.

As much as I like sites like this the best advice I could give any new grower would be to use Google and to buy several books on marijuana growing written by top experts in growing and not to rely on sites like this for much if any information because they will receive answers from people like you.

Psychopassive · Apr 23, 2009

One of their discoveries has been that to keep the ripe plants in the dark before harvesting could increase their potency.

Hey Bricktop - some interesting stuff there. I was wondering if you have links to the original research from Simms? I have found their site but there's no mention of the research.

http://www.medicalmarijuana.org

malbulja · Apr 23, 2009

Brick Top said:
That is pure ignorance. What you are preaching is for people to accept a high or a stone that they least prefer because it is what you do and what you like and what you believe in.

Yaaawn, do we really have to have this argument on every thread on RIU.

Brick Top said:
The singular reason to grow your own herb is to get the very best herb that you can, the herb you like the most so what is wrong with fine tuning what you grow so it best suits your own likes and tastes?

Of course, this is obvious. Beginners aren't fine tuning their herb, they fucking it up by trying advanced techniques whose procedures are not properly articulated in that jurassic GrowFAQ graphic.

Brick Top said:
In general I agree with your position of if someone wants a sativa high then grow a sativa and if they like an indica stone grow an indica but your logic and rationale still falls apart come harvest time because if you most like a clear soaring cerebral head high of a sativa you will not harvest it when the trichomes are amber because that will dull the effects you most want. At the same time if you want as much couch-lock as you can get you will not harvest an indica when the trichomes are milky white. The same information that you claim is outdated still applies and is still totally valid.

This is meat and potatoes of what we disagree about. I don't know how many times it can be said, if you harvest a sativa with all amber trichs IT IS NOT GOING TO CAUSE COUCH LOCK. See if I use all caps maybe you'll listen this time. The effects of the compounds are based on it's genetics and the plant is either ripe or premature. You can harvest at different times to heighten certain chemical effects but not anything like whats being said on this board. YOU CANNOT TRANSFORM A SATIVA INTO AN INDICA AND VICE-VERSA BY HARVESTING EARLY OR LATE.

Brick Top said:
Using your reasoning no one should ever have created crosses because that it an attempt to alter nature and landrace genetics.
You may not be able to understand that but your position is to let nature take its course so since that is your position nature should never have been tampered with.

You have a real problem making leaps and assumptions where there are none to be made and insults do not help your postion. Obviously the reason crosses have been made is to break the genetic limitations of natural strains and blur the lines between phenotypes. Harvesting early or later is not breeding, its pretending to be more important than you really are.

Brick Top said:
By picking a cross you have picked something that has been altered and is neither one or the other, sativa or indica, and the result is unnatural so how can it actually take natures course?

No it hasn't been altered, it has been manipulated to take on specific characteristics based on the preference of the breeder due to meticulous natural selection on the part of the breeder. Its still a cannabis plant, it just shares the attributes of its gene pool. Harvesting early or late isn't going to change any of the properties inherited by it's genetic makeup.

Brick Top said:
You say go natural but yo do not limit that to only natural strains. That is something hypocritical on your part. You want things to work both ways.

The only way to try to answer that is to ignore that it is unnatural to begin with and to claim that what you believe to be the singular best way to grow/harvest is to allow plants to grow for as long as possible before THC degradation reaches a point where the loss is unacceptable.

This is all rambling about the concepts already addressed above. A bred hybrid is not some alien species that is un-natural, its just a composite of its genetic makeup. Harvesting early or late is not going to change this.

Brick Top said:
Once the trichomes have turned milky white the THC is as potent as it gets, it has maxed out and does not increase after that point. When the trichomes begin to turn amber the THC increase, as in potency levels, has leveled off so herb with amber trichomes is not more potent that herb with milky white trichomes. Once the trichomes begin to turn from amber to brown THC has started to degrade and you lose THC.

What happens when the trichomes turn from milky white to amber is different cannabinoids increase in level and the effects that are then felt when smoked are different. It gives you more of a narcotic effect, a ‘messed up’ feeling that very many people confuse with being higher potency and with having higher levels of THC. But that is not why the effects are different, there is not an increase in THC when trichomes turn from milky white to amber.

If someone wants to increase the amount of THC, not the level of THC but instead the amount of THC, they should give their plants 72-hours of darkness before harvesting them.

Yes, we have already established your opinions on this matter.

Brick Top said:
The Stichting Institute of medical Marijuana (SIMM), the first company to sell marijuana through the pharmacies of Holland, has been investigating the medical possibilities of cannabis, together with TNO laboratories and the University of Leiden.

One of their discoveries has been that to keep the ripe plants in the dark before harvesting could increase their potency.

SIMM's growers separated a crop of mature plants, harvested half of them and kept the other half in absolute darkness for 72 hours before cutting and drying.

Analysis of the resulting dried buds showed that some varieties had seen increases of THC of up to 30 %, while the CBD and CBN remained the same.

A 30% increase in THC is HUGE but I have to assume you will say that is not something that happens in nature so it cannot work and it should not be done even though the results of doing so have been proven and can pay tremendous dividends.

I've heard this before and I have requested the white paper from the research and no one can provide it. Until peer reviewed research can be provided, I'm inclined to call bullshit.

Brick Top said:
For some inexplicable reason you want everyone to grow/smoke pot that you like the best instead of telling them the facts and allowing them to grow/smoke pot that they will like the best.

Why is that? Why is it that you do not believe that each individual should not decide for themselves what they like the best and then allow them to make sure they get what they like the best?

All they are doing is fine tuning their herb to best suit their personal likes and taste so what in the wide, wide world of sports is wrong with that?

No, I want everyone to harvest their pot when its done, so they don't fuck up their crop and don't sell garbage on the street because they listened to the "experts" and followed the magical trichome chart being posted here in every thread.

Brick Top said:
As for monitoring trichome color it is a breeze. All someone needs is an inexpensive scope from Radio Shack and to know what the different trichome color will give them and then they look at their plants. You do not need to be a botanist to know the difference between clear and milky white and amber and brown.

If you believe that it is difficult to be able to monitor trichome color then you have to believe it is equally difficult to pick out the amber trichomes you love so dearly and claim to be the only way to go.

Consider your rationale, you postulate that it is hard to monitor clear and milky white so what would be so easy to determine amber or amber from brown? Following your advice couldn't someone harvest to late as easily as harvesting to early and end up with compost? How are they going to be able to know when to harvest according to your advice any more than they will know when to harvest by going by the trichome chart?

Your logic and rationale does not pass the Pepsi challenge.

You give horrible information that is not fact based and is only opinion based. It is only based in your personal lies and taste and beliefs and nothing more.

Opinion is not fact and it should not be spread as being fact. That is a MAJOR problem with sites like this. Most of the information shared/spread is opinion based or based in myths or urban legends or old hippie beliefs handed down through the years.

None of this strengthens your postion about transforming Sativas into Indicas magically by just harvesting late.

Brick Top said:
As much as I like sites like this the best advice I could give any new grower would be to use Google and to buy several books on marijuana growing written by top experts in growing and not to rely on sites like this for much if any information because they will receive answers from people like you.

Please holy BrickTop, point me to one piece of research that demonstrates this supernatural power to transform Indicas to Sativas and vice-versa by looking at trichomes.

Let me sum all this dribble for our RIU readers..... The cannabis plant is done when its done. If you don't know when that is then search for fdd2blk sticky in the harvesting forum.

The chemical and psycho-active effects your crop has on you depends on various factors, predominatly it's genotype and biological makeup. If you grow an Indica you will likely experience couch-lock and if you grow a Sativa you will likely experience racy, mind-altering experience and if you grow a hybrid you will experience a mix of these effects based on the dominating attributes of the breed.

You cannot transform the plants effects by harvesting early or late but you can certainly ruin your entire crop by harvesting early.

mightystoned · Apr 23, 2009

malbulja said:
Forget the stupid 10 year old GrowFAQ chart that shows up in every other post here. If you want a racy, energetic high then grow a sativa and harvest it when its done. I'm sorry but harvesting a hybrid or an Indica early to try to mimic a natural Sativa high doesn't even compare.

Monitoring Trichome colors is not for beginners because its just too easy to fuck up and harvest way too early. Just wait until the plant is done and enjoy the genetics for the plant you've grown.

This is the third thread where ive listened to you bash the trich chart guideline. It's not very sound advise to come on here and tell newbies that the chart is no good. It is probably the best help for any newbie trying to harvest there first crop w/o fucking it up... Not everyone on here is a fucking certified greenthumb like you. This chart helped me greatly on my first grow. So to the newbies out there USE THE CHART but use it as guidline don't set your watch by it. By the way you said checking trichomes is an advanced method...Well if its an advanced method how can it not be good?kiss-ass

appliedstyle · Apr 23, 2009

maljulba and brick top, i hope you two are reading each others posts because they are way to long and personal for anybody else to give a fuck

malbulja · Apr 23, 2009

mightystoned said:
This is the third thread where ive listened to you bash the trich chart guideline. It's not very sound advise to come on here and tell newbies that the chart is no good. It is probably the best help for any newbie trying to harvest there first crop w/o fucking it up... Not everyone on here is a fucking certified greenthumb like you. This chart helped me greatly on my first grow. So to the newbies out there USE THE CHART but use it as guidline don't set your watch by it. By the way you said checking trichomes is an advanced method...Well if its an advanced method how can it not be good?kiss-ass

Actually its like the 5th or 6th thread where I've bashed the trich chart. No one said it isn't good, only mis-leading. Its advanced because trichs are only one of the indicators for determining the ripeness of a crop and as many others have pointed out, I can show you a photo where you clearly see amber trichs yet when you see the plant in its entirity its still covered in white hairs. If you rely on the trich chart than you're going to have to methodically view your entire plant under the scope constantly. Its much easier and more intelligent to look at the plant and wait for it to tell you when its done.

malbulja · Apr 23, 2009

appliedstyle said:
maljulba and brick top, i hope you two are reading each others posts because they are way to long and personal for anybody else to give a fuck

You mean they're too long for you to give a fuck and who the hell cares if you give a fuck? This isn't even your post.

t0k3s · Apr 23, 2009

appliedstyle said:
maljulba and brick top, i hope you two are reading each others posts because they are way to long and personal for anybody else to give a fuck

sucks when you cant read huh :twisted:

To the dude below me,you have like 35 posts and your in here trying to tell people whats what,lol......Number one that chart is BS,ill say it one more time "BULL SHIT" the colors of the trichomes don't mean shit,its the formation of the trichomes that is what the advanced technique is,trichomes change shape and burst toward the end of growth,watching the trichomes and getting them right before they burst is the true technique looking at colors is for newbies.Hey brick top i have new chart so toss yours :twisted:

mightystoned · Apr 23, 2009

malbulja said:
Actually its like the 5th or 6th thread where I've bashed the trich chart. No one said it isn't good, only mis-leading. Its advanced because trichs are only one of the indicators for determining the ripeness of a crop and as many others have pointed out, I can show you a photo where you clearly see amber trichs yet when you see the plant in its entirity its still covered in white hairs. If you rely on the trich chart than you're going to have to methodically view your entire plant under the scope constantly. Its much easier and more intelligent to look at the plant and wait for it to tell you when its done.

I agree that you should let the plant tell you but a newbie or first time grower will not no what to look for therefore i believe the chart is an excellent guide... :joint:

chitownsmoking · Apr 23, 2009

i would guess its bee flowering for no more then four weeks and prolly got like 5-6 to go. your plants look waaaay on the sativa siden

Guess how many weeks left...

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