growing 12/12 in 22 gallon totes

thowedoff1994

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I will assume you've done this with embedded roots before, and know the proper technique for working with something completely rootbound so you don't kill the plants? 'breaking up the roots' is a very bad idea without knowing exactly how fragile they are as you start to work through the entangled mess (see: migraine and 4-6 hours of time).. and then you get to the fun part of root pruning (which is a whole other subject, and I could write a 30 page book on).. after all that, you then hope you didn't over-do it, and stunt growth or murder them. Easier to start them off separate, unless you just can't help it.

Just my .02,

Fi-
not gonna touch them besides pruning....if i do that...jus wanna give a simple example of how simple bud growing really is without all the math....lol
 

JackStrawFromWichita

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could just be urban legend but i always gone by '1 gallon per month'... i grew in a small space for some time and I have to say it's a pretty accurate assessement at least growing in individual buckets (Basically this means if you've been in a 3 gallon pot for 3 months its time to transplant.) using this rule of thumb if you're going straight to 12/12 you should aim for ~11 plants in each tote.

don't underestimate how "wide" these plants like to get even if just growing a small single branch. I'd go with 10 on the first run see how it works, you'll be able to tell after harvest if you need to adjust based on root concentrations in your medium.
 

Figong

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not gonna touch them besides pruning....if i do that...jus wanna give a simple example of how simple bud growing really is without all the math....lol
I had a bad vision of you grabbing it by the base of the stem, shaking the planter free.. then working fingers into the roots trying to break everything apart.. is why I figured I'd mention it so you didn't have a nasty surprise.
 

thowedoff1994

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I had a bad vision of you grabbing it by the base of the stem, shaking the planter free.. then working fingers into the roots trying to break everything apart.. is why I figured I'd mention it so you didn't have a nasty surprise.
thanks but nah...i figured since they only vegged 3 weeks and and now only have like 6 weeks or so of flower ill be ok .....and i forgot to mention instead of the 22 gallon totes i went with my green 45 gallon totes and they are pretty deep...so deep it took three 56.6 litre bags of soil to fill each tote..what im interested in now though is how i saw a guy scrog 3 plants and it looked like he had a million freakin colas i swear.....i gotta learn that method!!
 

Figong

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thanks but nah...i figured since they only vegged 3 weeks and and now only have like 6 weeks or so of flower ill be ok .....and i forgot to mention instead of the 22 gallon totes i went with my green 45 gallon totes and they are pretty deep...so deep it took three 56.6 litre bags of soil to fill each tote..what im interested in now though is how i saw a guy scrog 3 plants and it looked like he had a million freakin colas i swear.....i gotta learn that method!!
Take your time, and do plenty of reading.. SCRoG is pretty straight-forward though, shouldn't be that much of an issue & good luck!
 

thowedoff1994

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Take your time, and do plenty of reading.. SCRoG is pretty straight-forward though, shouldn't be that much of an issue & good luck!
thanks man....scrogging does seem to be str8 forward ...im only confused on the part where im like..."how do they set the wire net above the plants without it falling"...but hey ill def find the best way to do that
 

Figong

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thanks man....scrogging does seem to be str8 forward ...im only confused on the part where im like..."how do they set the wire net above the plants without it falling"...but hey ill def find the best way to do that
string, some chicken wire, or a net.. and would highly recommend you frame it in 1x2s and then hang from the ceiling with hooks and a light chain of some sort
 

thowedoff1994

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string, some chicken wire, or a net.. and would highly recommend you frame it in 1x2s and then hang from the ceiling with hooks and a light chain of some sort
ok ...xtra thanks man....dam i didnt think about the same way i hung the cfls....lol
 

thowedoff1994

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string, some chicken wire, or a net.. and would highly recommend you frame it in 1x2s and then hang from the ceiling with hooks and a light chain of some sort
1 more thing not to sound dumb but when you say 1x2s ...you are meaning the size of the wholes in the chicken wire or what???
 

Figong

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1 more thing not to sound dumb but when you say 1x2s ...you are meaning the size of the wholes in the chicken wire or what???

1x2 = the board dimensions that you will use to create the frame for the screen or material you use, and to mount hooks for the chain to connect to so you can hang it from the ceiling
 

thowedoff1994

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1x2 = the board dimensions that you will use to create the frame for the screen or material you use, and to mount hooks for the chain to connect to so you can hang it from the ceiling
bingo!!! ok i think umma try it cause i already have the chicken wire and its only 2nd week flower and no signs of buds developing ...im reading later and trying 2mar
 

thowedoff1994

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well guys this grow has taken a twist!!!! 1 of my totes with 24 trees in it ....i got curious before i thought things through and placed a poultry net over the tote and attempted a scrog and realized i should scrog with less plants and veg longer ...but instead i ended up chopping the hell out of 1 o my 24 trees in that tote ...sooooooooo i pulled that whole thing up i heard the roots crackling but whats done is done so now here comes the big question for me...is it true what they say..will the roots from that 1 damaged plant rot and harm my other 23 in that paticular tote?? only time will tell....ill keep this updated for everyone that feels its gonna kill the whole tote
 

Figong

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well guys this grow has taken a twist!!!! 1 of my totes with 24 trees in it ....i got curious before i thought things through and placed a poultry net over the tote and attempted a scrog and realized i should scrog with less plants and veg longer ...but instead i ended up chopping the hell out of 1 o my 24 trees in that tote ...sooooooooo i pulled that whole thing up i heard the roots crackling but whats done is done so now here comes the big question for me...is it true what they say..will the roots from that 1 damaged plant rot and harm my other 23 in that paticular tote?? only time will tell....ill keep this updated for everyone that feels its gonna kill the whole tote
Are the roots completely broken off, or just damaged/partially broken? You could hit it with a high phosphorus-based fungicide which -can- treat and/or prevent root rot. If you don't control it and it develops, it can and will more than likely spread like wildfire. Highly recommended you do something to act on this before shit hits the fan and you lose all of it. If you do end up losing the whole pot.. -DO NOT- re-use the pot before soaking the pot in at least a 10% bleach mix for 30+ minutes. I'd go an hour to be safe. After you do that, if you wish to re-use the soil, sterilize it in the oven on baking sheets before anything new goes into it. Another bonus to the phosphate-based fungicide... it'll break down into harmless phosphates and may even help boost resistance to the disease.

Let me know what's going on, will do my best to help you with this one so you don't get the pot potentially nuked by a proverbial pain in the ass.

Fi-
 

thowedoff1994

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Are the roots completely broken off, or just damaged/partially broken? You could hit it with a high phosphorus-based fungicide which -can- treat and/or prevent root rot. If you don't control it and it develops, it can and will more than likely spread like wildfire. Highly recommended you do something to act on this before shit hits the fan and you lose all of it. If you do end up losing the whole pot.. -DO NOT- re-use the pot before soaking the pot in at least a 10% bleach mix for 30+ minutes. I'd go an hour to be safe. After you do that, if you wish to re-use the soil, sterilize it in the oven on baking sheets before anything new goes into it. Another bonus to the phosphate-based fungicide... it'll break down into harmless phosphates and may even help boost resistance to the disease.

Let me know what's going on, will do my best to help you with this one so you don't get the pot potentially nuked by a proverbial pain in the ass.

Fi-
yea man the roots from that 1 plant are history...and im soooo stupid i didnt think...the part of the plant that got chopped i shouldve just considered it topping before getting upset pulling it up completely....but when it comes to fungacide do you have a specific product name i can look for cause if so ill hit it in the morning??
 

thowedoff1994

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Are the roots completely broken off, or just damaged/partially broken? You could hit it with a high phosphorus-based fungicide which -can- treat and/or prevent root rot. If you don't control it and it develops, it can and will more than likely spread like wildfire. Highly recommended you do something to act on this before shit hits the fan and you lose all of it. If you do end up losing the whole pot.. -DO NOT- re-use the pot before soaking the pot in at least a 10% bleach mix for 30+ minutes. I'd go an hour to be safe. After you do that, if you wish to re-use the soil, sterilize it in the oven on baking sheets before anything new goes into it. Another bonus to the phosphate-based fungicide... it'll break down into harmless phosphates and may even help boost resistance to the disease.

Let me know what's going on, will do my best to help you with this one so you don't get the pot potentially nuked by a proverbial pain in the ass.

Fi-
could superthrive and peroxide help...if so i already use superthrive and have peroxide
 

hotrodharley

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well guys this grow has taken a twist!!!! 1 of my totes with 24 trees in it ....i got curious before i thought things through and placed a poultry net over the tote and attempted a scrog and realized i should scrog with less plants and veg longer ...but instead i ended up chopping the hell out of 1 o my 24 trees in that tote ...sooooooooo i pulled that whole thing up i heard the roots crackling but whats done is done so now here comes the big question for me...is it true what they say..will the roots from that 1 damaged plant rot and harm my other 23 in that paticular tote?? only time will tell....ill keep this updated for everyone that feels its gonna kill the whole tote
No damage. You'll see. In fact a friend did something like this years ago with bagseed and the plants ended up looking great. Took a bread knife and simply cut big plugs with a plant in each. Planted them like big peat plugs. A week later they were hauling ass faster than ever before. Roots aren't as sensitive as people make it out. Face it - they can pry a rock apart if the tip enters a crevice in the rock.
 
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