angryblackman
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Looking great once again! I was gonna shoot the fairy a note but I am not able to do anything for a while. I would rather they get to those that can get them going.
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GroErr
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Thanks, a little rough those two but they'll finish
Anytime you have some space, glad to share those out. Cheers.
GroErr
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Hey how are things, thanks and nice to see you back, been MIA for a while@GroErr ! Hows it been buddy, havent stopped in in bit but your still killin it! Digging the panamas man, first time run? Whos the breeder? Im running a skunk #1 right now too, got a real sweet almost berry smell rather than skunk but we will see
First run from seed on the Panama's, they're regs from ACE. Ran a few and got down to the two females plus another one in there that's seeded in a 2gal pot. Got a nice male and hit these for some backup too. Going to cross the Panama P4 female, has a nice smell, solid buds and vigorous. Have those Skunk #1 coming up, down to 3-4 females and a couple of males, one of those SK#1 males is looking and smelling worthy of hitting a clone of that Panama P4, will call it Panama Pepe (as in Pepe Le Pew) 
I've read these SK#1's tend to be fruity, a couple including that male are skunky in veg on the stem rub. My Blue Ripper keepers are like that, skunky stem rub is how I select them, male or female skunky phenos come up nice, but once in flower they're fruity smelling.
GroErr
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Panama's are a leanin' at Day 65
I'll likely pull the P6 on the left on the weekend or when it dries out, looks ready and buds tightened up pretty good. The other P4 on the right is coming along well, another 8-10 days at most and leaning hard, lot of weight in those buds
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I'll likely pull the P6 on the left on the weekend or when it dries out, looks ready and buds tightened up pretty good. The other P4 on the right is coming along well, another 8-10 days at most and leaning hard, lot of weight in those buds
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GroErr
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Thanks, that one on the right needs some propping or it'll be on the floor soonLooks very nice GroErr. I noticed a few of mine starting to lean just short of day 60. I took this as a sign that I have some nice heavy buds to look forward to.
Sounds like you have some weight on them, I've never considered leaners to be an issue
GroErr
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Cheers JD, haven't run ,much from them, these could be the first. They were one of the few regs around, seem legit
Can't wait to puff some 
zoic
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Funny you should say that. I just checked my plants, had to water them. When I moved the pot of the middle one it buckled under the weight in two places. So it was only a day short of 60 days, now it is half size. I took the opportunity to try starting 6 clones.Thanks, that one on the right needs some propping or it'll be on the floor soon
ttystikk
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How much of a breeze do they get? Wondering about your strategies for plant strength.Panama's are a leanin' at Day 65
I'll likely pull the P6 on the left on the weekend or when it dries out, looks ready and buds tightened up pretty good. The other P4 on the right is coming along well, another 8-10 days at most and leaning hard, lot of weight in those buds
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GroErr
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Just a good steady breeze on them right from day 1 in flower and starting in the veg tent to strengthen them up before flipping. At the back the fan is blowing across the top of the canopy, oscillating otherwise they'd get wind burn and have seen that a couple of times when the fan has stopped oscillating. There's another floor fan at front blowing at them from that end. And the incoming air through the inline has a vent directing air down. This time of year they get quite a bit more as I have to have the incoming inline at full to keep the temps in line. Sounds like a small cyclone going in there
Those are quite strong, just need some propping now as those colas on the right side are very dense/heavy Will throw a party cup over one of the colas next pic for some perspective.
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zoic
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Yes, the cup really puts it in perspective, otherwise it can be hard to tell from a static two dimensional picture.
GroErr
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Yeah I try and remember to put them on the harvest pics to get a perspective, otherwise angles and the like can make little plants look big and large plants look blah.Yes, the cup really puts it in perspective, otherwise it can be hard to tell from a static two dimensional picture.
RE: Support. Notice I have trellises in the pots supporting those already. For normal hybrids that's all I need but they only stick 20" above the soil line. These colas are 24-30" above the top of the trellis, without them they'd be touching the floor already
zoic
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I sure did, thanks. The wife and I are discussing different options for supporting the plants. I expect with the upgrades the buds will be even bigger in Round 2. I have quite an assortment of bamboo left from the outdoor gardening supplies, as well as some nylon screen mesh like folks use in a ScrOG.
GroErr
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Yeah doesn't need anything fancy, string will work which is what I'll likely do for that last Panama, the one on the left is done but the other one could go another 7-10 days so I'll prop it up.
GroErr
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The Skunk #1 males in the breeding tent. Day 9 from the flip and they're starting to flower up. Got another 2 males so that's 5x males (3 culled), 2x females left but the male below on the left is looking like the winner from the original 7. Been watching this one from about 4 nodes, nice colour, structure, smell, tight nodes, some huge fans and lots of bud sites.
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BobCajun
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I don't know how you're getting ripe Blue Pyramid at 7 weeks. I'm growing some now and at 8 weeks every hair is pure white and I still can barely see individual calyxes. Granted I did use 13/11 for the first few weeks of flowering but then it was 12/12 after that. It's clearly a 10 weeker, both phenos that are at that stage now, I do have a third one that's earlier in flowering so can't really tell yet on that one but presumably similar to the other two.
What I can confirm though is that it's a rampant grower, and stretcher, overtook a few plants of other strains very quickly, shading them right out to puny little runts. Also the buds are much larger than any other strain in there, including a Big Bud cross. I tested out some bottom immature buds and can confirm also that it's premium potency and quality of high. Also bud rot resistant, which would make it a favorable strain even if it was just average potency etc.
The seeds were bought recently so maybe Pyramid has done more work on the strain, making it different than the ones you grew. Yours do look pretty ripe, all brown hairs. Maybe the fast ripening is the reason for the lowish yields you mentioned in some posts. Obviously you won't get much weight in 7 weeks compared to 10. It may ripen faster than most but plants can't grow significantly faster than a set rate per unit of light so the weight would have to come out much lower.
BTW I did grow a couple plants of BP before and they took 10 weeks that time too. Just didn't keep the strain because at the time I thought another was better. Those ones got burnt up from being moved from CFL to LED so I thought they might be a weaker strain. Anyway these ones now are looking better than those ones and now they don't burn more than other strains because I start them under LEDs.
The stretch is a little troublesome but it also means that more light gets through. Just have to do regular topping. It looks like it's going to be a big yielder, possibly the biggest of all I've grown so far. But as I said, it's a 10 weeker, just like every other strain I've ever seen. Many strains are described as ripening in 7-8 weeks, I've just never actually seen one that does, and if it did it would be a runt so just as well really. I guess it's possible, I've just never seen it myself. I guess you could get a good yield from a fast ripener if you veged and pruned for long enough to have many bud sites, but then the total time would still be similar, just divided up differently.
What I can confirm though is that it's a rampant grower, and stretcher, overtook a few plants of other strains very quickly, shading them right out to puny little runts. Also the buds are much larger than any other strain in there, including a Big Bud cross. I tested out some bottom immature buds and can confirm also that it's premium potency and quality of high. Also bud rot resistant, which would make it a favorable strain even if it was just average potency etc.
The seeds were bought recently so maybe Pyramid has done more work on the strain, making it different than the ones you grew. Yours do look pretty ripe, all brown hairs. Maybe the fast ripening is the reason for the lowish yields you mentioned in some posts. Obviously you won't get much weight in 7 weeks compared to 10. It may ripen faster than most but plants can't grow significantly faster than a set rate per unit of light so the weight would have to come out much lower.
BTW I did grow a couple plants of BP before and they took 10 weeks that time too. Just didn't keep the strain because at the time I thought another was better. Those ones got burnt up from being moved from CFL to LED so I thought they might be a weaker strain. Anyway these ones now are looking better than those ones and now they don't burn more than other strains because I start them under LEDs.
The stretch is a little troublesome but it also means that more light gets through. Just have to do regular topping. It looks like it's going to be a big yielder, possibly the biggest of all I've grown so far. But as I said, it's a 10 weeker, just like every other strain I've ever seen. Many strains are described as ripening in 7-8 weeks, I've just never actually seen one that does, and if it did it would be a runt so just as well really. I guess it's possible, I've just never seen it myself. I guess you could get a good yield from a fast ripener if you veged and pruned for long enough to have many bud sites, but then the total time would still be similar, just divided up differently.
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GroErr
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Possibly a combo of phenos pulled but more likely environment. I'm running the COBs with 660nm at the beginning and 730nm at the end which in theory (looks like in practice also) finishes them faster. Now, including the last BP I pulled I'm also running 11.5/12.5 and that made a huge difference in finish times for all my phenos from when I was running 12.5/11.5 and even a bit off the 12/12 round I finished before this one.
I'd guess the environment difference is the likely biggest factor as you ran a good chunk of the cycle at 13/11. When I ran 12.5/11.5 and low wattage (<25w/sq. ft) with the COBs it was the longest run I've had, like 2-3 weeks longer with some of the strains/phenos. Try one running at 11.5/12.5 and I'm pretty sure you'd see your finish time come down significantly. You may lose some weight, the runs I did at 12.5/11.5 were definitely some of my heaviest pulls. But for the slight difference I already grow 2-3x what I need so it's no biggie for me. if I get the quality I'm aiming for that's my primary criteria, weight is second.
Prior to the COBs the older pheno of BP I had was finishing in 49-52 days under CMH, that was expected as the CMH spectrum finished everything faster.
BTW: This newest pheno I've run a few times is producing closer to 1 oz. per gallon of medium, that's almost twice what my old pheno was producing. It doesn't even look like the weight its pulling because the buds are so tight/dense they're deceiving. Very happy with this latest pheno, I run it for the smell/taste and it's the only indica-dom strain I'm running, my nighttime meds.
While it's possible that they've re-worked the line I found the phenos very close in look, structure, smell between the first batch and the last batch which were 2 years apart.
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BobCajun
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Far Red end of day could certainly speed things up, at least in theory. What would happen if you just kept them going for longer though? Have you tried it? Maybe they'll keep piling up calyxes. You invested all that time, why rush to chop? Also, if the far red works like it's reputed to, you should be able to run 14/10 and it would be like 12/12 without FR. Those plants are ripening way too fast to get enough bulk to make all the invested time up to that point worth it, at least that's what I suspect is happening. Fast ripening is only an advantage outdoors, or if you need weed as soon as humanly possible, which is unlikely.