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Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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40AmpstoFreedom said:
Sounds like he is 5 years in the past lol. This was very true up until then. Quite a few better led's came out after that and full spectrum cobs are a complete game changer and that is fact now. Better plant structure, incredible reduction in heat, and half the energy use easy.
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Cobs definitely seem to be the upcoming game changer. But that whole LED vs HPS debate is as bad as "flushing". Every grower should do what makes sense for their space, time, and resources. No two grows are the same.

And, I just read that thread whytes talking about in the grow journal section and its the start of another RUI clusterfuck. A funny one especially due to the lack of reading comprehension but a clusterfuck nonetheless. I actually felt bad for the OP.
The dude wasn't rude or a condescending know-it-all but he sure did receive a lot of shit.
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Guess sum ppl don't reed to gud :P:P:P
 
whytewidow

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Tangerine_ said:
Cobs definitely seem to be the upcoming game changer. But that whole LED vs HPS debate is as bad as "flushing". Every grower should do what makes sense for their space, time, and resources. No two grows are the same.

And, I just read that thread whytes talking about in the grow journal section and its the start of another RUI clusterfuck. A funny one especially due to the lack of reading comprehension but a clusterfuck nonetheless. I actually felt bad for the OP.
The dude wasn't rude or a condescending know-it-all but he sure did receive a lot of shit.
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Guess sum ppl don't reed to gud :P:P:P
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I had all kinds of fuk ups. Replying to the wrong person. Then words spelled wrong. It made me so irritated that I didnt even go back n try n fix my posts. Or even read the rest of his replies. He was a total duck. Plain n simple. Gro offered great advice and the dude pretty much told him fuck him and his advice. In not so many words
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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Tangerine_ said:
Cobs definitely seem to be the upcoming game changer. But that whole LED vs HPS debate is as bad as "flushing". Every grower should do what makes sense for their space, time, and resources.
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I very much agree every grower should do what is best for them. But when full spectrum cobs are at the same PURCHASE price as LEC's it will make 0 sense to run anything else. It already makes 0 sense to run if you can afford the UPFRONT cost vs hps and any other bulb or light out there. They grow better plants and save you huge money as long as you run them for at least a grow. Power consumption cut in half, heat cut by more than a half it seems (wtf is an output now lol), 0 need to change bulbs every 6 months, 0 need to change reflector every 6 months (if you did not know they deteriorate quite quickly now you do...), save huge money not needing all the ventilation and extra fans, can save huge money only needing a 20amp 120v outlet to run 3x the grow footprint of a single 1k hps. Less equipment for the small guy, huge savings in return, and no electrical work.

Just a small example:

In normal house room 12x12' one ac vent, you can run 3 fixtures that cover 4x12 feet, need only a single 20 amp, and 0 in or out for ventilation. No electrical work, no extra expensive light timers/switch boxes. Given ac can vary house to house you may have to add an out which would be some vent tube and a 4-6 inch fan. Upfront cost 3600$ and that is buying prebuilt Ursa Optilux LED's. If you build your own big savings, but no 5-10 year warranty, no flipchip technology, and a larger light.
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I didn't fuck with LED's at all until full spectrum was released as it could not compare and LED's were ridiculously expensive. It makes 0 sense in long term now (6+months). Cobs are simply unbeatable now but the upfront cost hurts in the very short term. Not need to change bulbs for 5+ years, no more reflectors, and 10 year warranties on fixtures you get with good companies are friggin golden. The future really arrived with full spectrum cobs and it will only improve. It is in incredible advancement.
 
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Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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40AmpstoFreedom said:
I very much agree every grower should do what is best for them. But when full spectrum cobs are at the same PURCHASE price as LEC's it will make 0 sense to run anything else. It already makes 0 sense to run if you can afford the UPFRONT cost vs hps and any other bulb or light out there. They grow better plants and save you huge money as long as you run them for at least a grow. Power consumption cut in half, heat cut by more than a half it seems (wtf is an output now lol), 0 need to change bulbs every 6 months, 0 need to change reflector every 6 months (if you did not know they deteriorate quite quickly now you do...), save huge money not needing all the ventilation and extra fans, can save huge money only needing a 20amp 120v outlet to run 3x the grow footprint of a single 1k hps. Less equipment for the small guy, huge savings in return, and no electrical work.

Just a small example:

In normal house room 12x12' one ac vent, you can run 3 fixtures that cover 4x12 feet, need only a single 20 amp, and 0 in or out for ventilation. No electrical work, no extra expensive light timers/switch boxes. Given ac can vary house to house you may have to add an out which would be some vent tube and a 4-6 inch fan.
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I didn't fuck with LED's at all until full spectrum was released as it could not compare and LED's were ridiculously expensive. It makes 0 sense in long term now (6+months). Cobs are simply unbeatable now but the upfront cost hurts in the very short term. Not need to change bulbs for 5+ years, no more reflectors, and 10 year warranties on fixtures you get with good companies are friggin golden. The future really arrived with full spectrum cobs and it will only improve. It is in incredible advancement.
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Oh I agree. I saw huge difference a couple yrs ago when I mixed HPS and MH. (plus the extra heat from HID is welcomed in my area) And then I went on to CMH and now I'm slowly switching out a couple lights again. For me its not so much the cost as it is tearing down everything. I just don't have it in me. Most days just blend into the next.

My point was more about the "He-Man" arguments. People get so intensely invested in what other people do. All I can do is sit back and shake my fucking head wishing an online argument was my biggest trigger of the day. I mean, yeah I get sucked in sometimes but it all just seems goddamn trivial in the grand scheme of things.
 
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Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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whytewidow said:
I had all kinds of fuk ups. Replying to the wrong person. Then words spelled wrong. It made me so irritated that I didnt even go back n try n fix my posts. Or even read the rest of his replies. He was a total duck. Plain n simple. Gro offered great advice and the dude pretty much told him fuck him and his advice. In not so many words
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Its all good whyte. Y'all made me laugh. I just felt kinda bad for the OP. I don't think he knows what the fucks going on, lol
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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Tangerine_ said:
Oh I agree. I saw huge difference a couple yrs ago when I mixed HPS and MH. And then I went on to CMH and now I'm slowly switching everything out again. For me its not so much the cost as it is tearing down everything. I just don't have it in me. Most days just blend into the next. If I were to build a new grow I would absolutely 100% go with Cobs. No question.

My point was more about the "He-Man" arguments. People get so intensely invested in what other people do. All I can do is sit back and shake my fucking head wishing an online argument was my biggest trigger of the day. I mean, yeah I get sucked in sometimes but it all just seems goddamn trivial in the grand scheme of things.
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Yeah for sure ego arguments aren't debates. I was definitely more on the $ and cents side of things and it really excites me the technology advancements in our passion for the past few years. People with their whole my shit is better attitude, and not taking into account an endless slew of variables that might make their logic not true for the other side of the coin, don't add anything of value to the community.
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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Tangerine_ said:
And I know my posts are probably coming off as shitty but holy hell...the lighting section has almost as much drama as politics.
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I haven't read any on here, but the shit on ic...those nerds to get some fucking light and quit reading about it. lol. I don't understand 3/4 of the shit they say, but they sure will argue about it like lives are on the line. After a few hundred pages of that shit I look at a degree in Optical science and engineering and particle physics like a fuckin accounting degree, just far more technical. Shoot me now.
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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First thought something is wrong with your pH ^ (the whorled leaves and the edges) looks like some iron is being locked out from it (the yellowing). I am a little wasted right now and it is really late will give another look and try to help tomorrow. Looks like a bit of calcium def spots on the right hand lower leaf too or ph spotting.

You aren't over watering are you? Soil aerated enough?
 
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