Greenleaf Medicinals - Latest Approved LP

cannadan said:

wouldn't Lps be better serving the medical community if they were only able to provide clone cuts to patients,rather than finished product...
then some kind of inventory of baby plants starts to make sense...
think of them more as nurseries for 2 or 3 thousand strains.....then you grow out what works for you....
I would pay 5 or 10 bucks for a clone...if they were available.

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I never thought about it that way. Genetics could be preserved...but there probably isn't enough money in that. I could just buy a couple of plants and let the cloning begin. There could only be a limited number because not everybody can or wants to grow. No, finished product is where it's at.

Doobius1 said:

I just heard a $1 gram. Sorry...its not April Fools yet

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If you go black market you can find pretty good shit (although I wouldn't vouch for pesticide content etc) for 2 bucks a gram. A lot less if it's outdoor. In bulk of course (like, a single unit).

Just sayin.

Hi WHATFG, I work for Greenleaf Medicinals, and I'd like to say we apologize for the lack of detailed information we have on our website at the moment. We have over 30 strains at the moment but we still aren't sure which ones we are going to grow first, or they will be of high enough quality to release. While we acquired our strains from reputable sources and are confident that they are from quality stock, we would rather not put up unconfirmed information that is just stolen off the internet. Instead we intend to grow the strains out, have the cannabinoids profiled, and share real life experience and photos with our sites visitors.

Doobius1 said:

Sure until you get locked in for a year, then watch prices jump and quality dwindle

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Our prices wont change, or if they do it will be downward as we realize more efficient ways of operating. We felt that $5/gram is a reasonable starting price for us and our customers.

german1 said:

Put your site up and then say "coming soon" on all your strain info. I guess these LPS have money to burn in terms of set up and then when it comes to launch they half ass it. I truly hope people see how poorly these sites are designed as well as how poor information is disseminated as well as created.

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Yes, we apologize for that. We weren't expecting to be live on the Health Canada site as quickly as we were. Those strains that were showing for the first day were meant to be place holders used for testing purposes. I apologize again to the people who saw that before our webmaster had time to take them down.
The strains that are listed now are the actual strains we have. We are taking feedback on our website now and will decide soon which strains will be grown in what order. More information will be forthcoming soon.

WHATFG said:

I thought everything had to be tested and divulged. A crappy grown plant is not going to be of the same quality as a well cared for plant. I will not pay more for different strains. Telling me that top top top is going to cost me more just makes me want to look somewhere else. So far I can't really say that any of the LP's interest me. Like I said before, they're all growing the best medicine for me.

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We agree that it doesn't cost a whole lot more to grow one strain over another, which is why we chose to charge the same price for all our strains. Some strains do take longer to grow, and others produce smaller yields, but it will average out between the different varieties we plan to offer, and we thought it would be better for our customers to be selecting their medicine based on medical benefit rather than price.

@ Greenleameds.
I couldn't agree more with you on the fact your prices will go down as you go. It is going to be hard for most LP's to get rid of their bunk. Price reductions won't help either once people catch on. They(patients???) just won't order and we all know what bunk weed is good for and where it will end up.
I mean....who in their right mind would toss away cold hard bubble/bho/shatter, what have you.
You LP's have to figure out what to do with your bunk and you know there will be TONS of it. From unsellable old stock, trim and just plan old bad grows etc

GreenleafMeds said:

We agree that it doesn't cost a whole lot more to grow one strain over another, which is why we chose to charge the same price for all our strains. Some strains do take longer to grow, and others produce smaller yields, but it will average out between the different varieties we plan to offer, and we thought it would be better for our customers to be selecting their medicine based on medical benefit rather than price.

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WOW talk about walking into the lions den...you walked right into the mount of the lion! Lol I will give you kudos for being the only LP so far to address any of the concerns that patients have. I think I may have confused you with another LP when I made the statement concerning varying prices for different strains- my apologies. What are you? Are you a patient? Just a business person? How big is your facility? Are you nuking my meds? I'll be nice...you have to realize that price is the primary barrier to people like me with big scripts. There is no way I will be able to afford to pay anyone for the amount I need. I do not have and will probably never have a disposable $27,000 /yr just laying around to buy medicine. Now if someone else wants to pay for it say, WCB, then I'm in, only because my spouse can hardly wait for my grow box to be out of the house. I'm sure you understand that growing, for some, is very therapeutic, me included. I'm also sure that you understand that the most seriously ill people don't have a lot of income. So in my estimation, you will need legalization going forward. So having said that, I choose my meds based on effect, but I am controlled by cost.

GreenleafMeds said:

Our prices wont change, or if they do it will be downward as we realize more efficient ways of operating. We felt that $5/gram is a reasonable starting price for us and our customers.

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I realize there are huge costs involved. I own a biz and have employees and pay that dick in Ottawa tons of taxes. I make pretty good money am not on disability, mostly because I have great staff and have been able to stay off the opioids my doc is more than happy to dish out.
the high prices are not your fault. Blame Dick Harper once again forcing you guys indoor, no medibles, no hash, no juice, no oils, no tinctures, no REAL MEDICINE!
its unrealistic to think anyone can afford $27000 a year to medicate with a herb

If I don't have reasonable access to organic fan leaves, I don't have reasonable access. The supreme court is going to put you out of business.

Exactly, I too have a 350 gram a month script and Also juice as well as smoke. With the LP system that was doomed from the start I will not be able to access my medicine or afford it.... So until an LPs or Steven hitler can answer that .... Worry about the recreational market

Any relation to the clinic ?

GreenleafMeds said:

Yes, we apologize for that. We weren't expecting to be live on the Health Canada site as quickly as we were. Those strains that were showing for the first day were meant to be place holders used for testing purposes. I apologize again to the people who saw that before our webmaster had time to take them down.
The strains that are listed now are the actual strains we have. We are taking feedback on our website now and will decide soon which strains will be grown in what order. More information will be forthcoming soon.

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Thanks for the clarification looks like health Canada is on the ball with LPs as much as they are with patients. All the best and goodluck, I hope you last till we are able to move to the recreational use phase.

I do have one question which was the main stumbling block to me: if the medical community in Canada has objected to health canadas reform of this program wouldn't that be the main barrier of entry in terms of this being a viable business in the short term.

Now I don't know your financials and you may well have a reserve fund to cover the first 2 years as I don't expect this to improve until after the 2015 elections where there is reform to this program again.

When I did my business case I had all my costs to around 3-5 a gram but was scared off by this and couldn't justify spending every month hoping doctors will approve faster.

Technically my plan has been to sit on the side lines till 2015 then come in and under cut the market and make a pure not for profit system.

Wow, Greenleaf themselves jumping in on this thread, nice to see. Hope everyone keeps things constructive and civil.

I too also looked into the LP market with a couple off other patients but....... Once we talked to health Canada and actually looked at our own situations we realized this market would never fly.... Reasons afford ability, different strains, medicine no longer available juicing... So for all you patients out there who invested in the LP system: A. jumped in without research or B. had your greed blinders on...

i would just like to mention to some like the above who jump all over some lp wannabe's

we did the research..we knew perhaps more than you do the risk

it was either that or quit or become a criminal again

we wanted to save our genetics, grow good herb , not go bankrupt like you venomously seem to desire

we also had thoughts that people[unlike you] who actually are not full of entitlement..might get some meds

this is my first and last foray into your one sided debate

greed?…we think not..more like cruising possible bankrupcy because we were providers before and seen the

happiness we brought to sick people..the strains we found that helped particular afflictions

you on the other hand should direct you venom to the TOP..not the lp's

especially the small small ones like us

you know who is at the TOP

so get on that website where you might actually do some good.

again:

this is the first and last time..i am a ppl ..so i am [more or less ]the same as you.

Bless yah amigo!

no hard feeling on my end

No hard feelings on my end either.... I am and always will be strong minded... Fight for what I believe in and at the end of the day I do not wish bankruptcy on anyone... It just seems to me and a lot of other patients that will be screwed if this new system comes in.. That the wannabe LP's as we see rolled over and left the rest of us fighting for everyone's rights .. Thanks again sativa for not just attacking my spelling or math but actually tying to explain your point and for that I respect you.

GrowRock said:

No hard feelings on my end either.... I am and always will be strong minded... Fight for what I believe in and at the end of the day I do not wish bankruptcy on anyone... It just seems to me and a lot of other patients that will be screwed if this new system comes in.. That the wannabe LP's as we see rolled over and left the rest of us fighting for everyone's rights .. Thanks again sativa for not just attacking my spelling or math but actually tying to explain your point and for that I respect you.

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I have been struggling with wording it but you just nailed it on the head! The wannabes that are patients rolled over and left the rest of us fighting for everyone's rights. They may have a different fight, but it's of their own choosing. Sorry mother sativa...it is about greed or profit. Every single lp that has been licensed is going to provide me nothing but the best medicine at a reasonable price.

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

i would just like to mention to some like the above who jump all over some lp wannabe's

we did the research..we knew perhaps more than you do the risk

it was either that or quit or become a criminal again

we wanted to save our genetics, grow good herb , not go bankrupt like you venomously seem to desire

we also had thoughts that people[unlike you] who actually are not full of entitlement..might get some meds

this is my first and last foray into your one sided debate

greed?…we think not..more like cruising possible bankrupcy because we were providers before and seen the

happiness we brought to sick people..the strains we found that helped particular afflictions

you on the other hand should direct you venom to the TOP..not the lp's

especially the small small ones like us

you know who is at the TOP

so get on that website where you might actually do some good.

again:

this is the first and last time..i am a ppl ..so i am [more or less ]the same as you.

Bless yah amigo!

no hard feeling on my end

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That's business Mr. Know it and live it. You took the 'chance' and as I see it. If you give up, again, your choice.
As far as coming on here and yapping at sick people for what you stand for. Spare me and the others with your whining.
Just because you balked and fell for what our government wanted you to do. That again was your choice. No one said you had to do anything. You were scared into doing what you are doing. That's unfortunate, wrong and sad on it's own.
LP's are and will do well with out the 40000 little growers to help out. You should know that. With Nurse practitioners now being able to sign, things will go and go fast. Doctors will catch on when they see how much they stand to lose by not seeing people ...just to sign. A quick visit it will become. Hell, it would not surprise me that we'll have hundreds of Dr Kamermans around to pick up where others don't want the business. IT'S BUSINESS AFTER ALL!!!!
Never really liked business. No ethics!
Good luck with your venture?

gb123 said:

@ Greenleameds.
I couldn't agree more with you on the fact your prices will go down as you go. It is going to be hard for most LP's to get rid of their bunk. Price reductions won't help either once people catch on. They(patients???) just won't order and we all know what bunk weed is good for and where it will end up.
I mean....who in their right mind would toss away cold hard bubble/bho/shatter, what have you.
You LP's have to figure out what to do with your bunk and you know there will be TONS of it. From unsellable old stock, trim and just plan old bad grows etc

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Health Canada regulations allow us to sell "dried marijuana" only. We have had a lot of inquiries about selling our trim, which we intend to do. We haven't decided on a price for the trim yet, but it will be between $0.50-1.00/gram. The trim will consist of the leaf tips that are cut off from around the outside of the buds, and also smaller buds that fall through the screen when the product gets high-graded.
Judging by the amount of interest we have had in the lower cost trim we expect it will be an item that is normally going to be sold out, which is due to the fact that the bud to trim ratio of a normal crop is about 10 to 1.
Your absolutely right though gb123, any lower quality crops could also be added to the bunk inventory, provided that they test negative for mold/heavy metals/ect.