Greenhouses

thumper60

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That makes sense. I hadn't considered spilled dirt. Personally I'd look into a construcrion grade fabric with a shiny weed block on top so you could sweep. Some of that stuff tears really easy.
Ya gotta buy the heavy duty stuff not the shit from home depo dont cut it with scissors needs to be heat cut so no fraying i use machete heated with a torch.
 

Funkentelechy

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I think they both have their place.

Commercial grade black landscape fabric is good at absorbing and radiating heat because it's black, but it has very little mass, it doesn't hold on to the heat. Black landscape fabric is more of a thermal conductor than it is a thermal battery. You need mass to be an effective thermal battery.
It will heat up the soil and the soil does act as a thermal battery too, but the soil can get too hot during the summer. That's why so many people use white pots or light-colored fabric pots because your roots can get too hot, even if you grow in the ground the soil can get too hot.

The beauty of using rocks or water as a passive thermal mass is that it mitigates temperature extremes. During the day when temps inside the greenhouse are excessive, the rocks/water absorb and store the heat which cools the greenhouse, at night that stored heat is released back into the greenhouse, creating thermal equilibrium.
Large commercial greenhouses usually don't use rock because it is expensive and rock doesn't really perform the same function as landscape fabric, i.e. rock doesn't work very well as a weed barrier if cost wasn't an issue they would probably use both.

I build rock walls to create raised beds and use flagstones in the pathways, instead of using gravel, less messy and no rocks in the soil to deal with.

That makes sense. I hadn't considered spilled dirt. Personally I'd look into a construcrion grade fabric with a shiny weed block on top so you could sweep. Some of that stuff tears really easy.
Too funny, you guys are really worried about getting dirt in your..... greenhouse, not making fun of anybody just surprised. Dirt is good, dirt is the engine that drives everything that we love. I say embrace it.
Dirt >plastic
 

natureboygrower

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I think they both have their place.

Commercial grade black landscape fabric is good at absorbing and radiating heat because it's black, but it has very little mass, it doesn't hold on to the heat. Black landscape fabric is more of a thermal conductor than it is a thermal battery. You need mass to be an effective thermal battery.
It will heat up the soil and the soil does act as a thermal battery too, but the soil can get too hot during the summer. That's why so many people use white pots or light-colored fabric pots because your roots can get too hot, even if you grow in the ground the soil can get too hot.

The beauty of using rocks or water as a passive thermal mass is that it mitigates temperature extremes. During the day when temps inside the greenhouse are excessive, the rocks/water absorb and store the heat which cools the greenhouse, at night that stored heat is released back into the greenhouse, creating thermal equilibrium.
Large commercial greenhouses usually don't use rock because it is expensive and rock doesn't really perform the same function as landscape fabric, i.e. rock doesn't work very well as a weed barrier if cost wasn't an issue they would probably use both.

I build rock walls to create raised beds and use flagstones in the pathways, instead of using gravel, less messy and no rocks in the soil to deal with.


Too funny, you guys are really worried about getting dirt in your..... greenhouse, not making fun of anybody just surprised. Dirt is good, dirt is the engine that drives everything that we love. I say embrace it.
Dirt >plastic
Between my indoor and my outdoor, I spend a lot of time gardening. Anyway to avoid weeding or more work, I'm all about it.
 

Corso312

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What is this stone going to do for you and the plants? I have seen a lot of people doing this and it makes zero sense to me. I have spent plenty of time throwing rock out of fields, but never had the desire to put them back into the growing space. Mulch... maybe, but why not just use landscape fabric? Honestly curious? :eyesmoke:

I dont want to deal with any bugs, especially borers.. im not sure if they come through the ground or air..i figured the stone would stop em.
 

Funkentelechy

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Seems like that would work just fine, it's only 9.3 feet tall which is a little limiting. As far as anchoring them, you could use some thin lengths of rebar, maybe 12 to 14 inches long, bend one end at 90 degrees(an "L") and use them to stake the frame down through the holes in the disks/feet. If you have high winds you may need to build it onto a frame like stealthfade508 did, which would also help to increase the height or run some guy wires off the sides.
If you are talking about polycarbonate or acrylic panels one method of attaching them is by predrilling into the posts of the frame and using roofing screws(with the little rubber gaskets) to secure the panels to the frame. you want to keep the airspace within the panels sealed so they don't get all fogged up with humidity and eventually algae and moss.
When I built my greenhouse I built a jig and bent metal pipe into arches like stealthfade508 did. I think that's the most economical way to go.
 

Corso312

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I was thinking I could tapcon the flanges on the corners into some concrete.. 6" posthole and an 80 lb bag of concrete.
 
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