greenhouse seeds seem like the best deal out there.

I'd rather grow some basil than any gh poop. The basil would prob smoke better too.

Kite High said:

sannies is great gear

ghs is bunk punk crapola

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Whatever...Greenhouse seeds has been called everything in the book and I do agree with some of it but this is where it all started in the seed game. I currently have 7 different dtrains from them and have 2 growing right now. I have had hermie issues but have had the same issues with other seed companies. Stability does not seem to be a issue.

As yeilds...so far everyone strain I have tried Ive been able to equal or surpass their expectations. Yeilds like they talk about can be had with the proper enviorment, technique and skill.

Greenhouse has always been good to me, genetics is more important than politics in my books.

fuck ya tell em bro.

The Super Lemon Haze has some fantastic phenotypes. That's about all I can recommend. I've seen a fair number of positive responses on their Lemon Skunk and Cheese as well (although not a pure cheese).

Probably the only strains I'd grow out from them are the ones listed above and probably not the Cheese.

exodus cheese just about sums up GHS lies

lol

Sir.Ganga said:

Whatever...Greenhouse seeds has been called everything in the book and I do agree with some of it but this is where it all started in the seed game. I currently have 7 different dtrains from them and have 2 growing right now. I have had hermie issues but have had the same issues with other seed companies. Stability does not seem to be a issue.

As yeilds...so far everyone strain I have tried Ive been able to equal or surpass their expectations. Yeilds like they talk about can be had with the proper enviorment, technique and skill.

Greenhouse has always been good to me, genetics is more important than politics in my books.

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Exactly the reason to avoid a company selling Y as X

I grew some GHS once, so that's that.

bdt1981 said:

Ok so your a retard. Anyone that would choose basil over any strain of mj clearly has mental problems so won't hold it against u.
Tell you what. I'll keep this thread updated often throughout the grow. I'll make even the most ruthless GHC hatrer give props when they see my shit. Lol. Or they might act like barneys farm tangerin Dream and take months to flower. Never the less see it happen right here before yours and my very own eyes.
Let's call this day 2 after germ 14 out of 18 seeds cracked in 24 hrs. The only ones that didn't were GHS auto sweet mango and 2 GHS superbud. Lol. Anyway put in rockwool and its just now been 48 hrs and the first to make an appearance is world of seeds collection marzar kush. Keeping propagation tray at 90 degrees f using dome. It's cold as fuck where I am right now so without a heating pad your germ rates will fall drastically to under 50%. So there we go dat one of the super bud and more grow.

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let me know how that mazar kush turns out. ive recently been interested in some WOS genetics but ive never grown it. i have a world of seeds afghan kush x black domina on deck for my next grow after my dinafem critical jack flowers.

Sir.Ganga said:

Whatever...Greenhouse seeds has been called everything in the book and I do agree with some of it but this is where it all started in the seed game. I currently have 7 different dtrains from them and have 2 growing right now. I have had hermie issues but have had the same issues with other seed companies. Stability does not seem to be a issue.

As yeilds...so far everyone strain I have tried Ive been able to equal or surpass their expectations. Yeilds like they talk about can be had with the proper enviorment, technique and skill.

Greenhouse has always been good to me, genetics is more important than politics in my books.

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"ive had hermie issues....stability does not seem to be a problem"

does anyone see a problem with these two conflicting claims. you cant have hermie issues and not have stability issues. they kind of go hand in hand. if you have hermie issues with a strain or breeder its considered a stability issue. same way as if the seeds dont germ on a routine basis...

ive bought and grown a 10 pack from ghs in the past. i had severe stability issues. i have 2 600s but 8 plants that were extremely different from each other (from 2 ft indica doms to 5 ft sativa doms...same strain...out of the same 10 pack). thats stability issues on their part. its like they just took two random plants...made seeds...then sold them.


also you claim their yields are spot on?!? prove it.

theres NO WAY (unless you veg 3+ months) that you're getting 800-1000g per square meter growing green house seeds crap. they always claim 1000g or 900g per sq meter but i have NEVER EVER EVER seen it w/ my own eyes. there descriptions are blatant lies. their highs are even spot on. big bang is toted as "relaxing and very anti-anxiety"...holy **** the 10 pack i grew out of those: NOT ONE PHENO HAD THAT QUALITY. everything was RACY and VERY sativa like. it actually induces anxiety. smell was non-existent. overall just a let down.

its not just one strain either...i grew kings kush from them and it was the runt of the litter (i grew it alongside various other strains from other breeders including seedsman skunk#1...dinafem critical+ and original amnesia...acapulco gold...dutch passion strawberry cough etc) and guess what? it was the smallest plant...smallest yield...stunk in a bad way (almost like mold but none was detected. it yielded me a whopping total of a half ounce!! this was in a 5 gal pot and vegged 6wks and flowered under 2 600w hps (it obviously shared the light with the other plants)

it was astonishing to see a 95% sativa (acapulco gold) grown under the same light net me 4oz but this thing couldnt net a half ounce?!? even the strawberry cough (notorious for being a low yielder) had a MUCH higher yield than the kings kush as well. the next lowest yield next to the kings kush was skunk #1 which got me 2 1/2 oz. my biggest yield that time around was critical+ w/ 4.5 oz

thats what we sane ppl call a joke in the marijuana growing world.


im not completely hating on GHS...i did grow a GWS that i was decently pleased with but that was after trying and getting duds 15 other times on various other strains and the GWS wasnt exactly A+ either. it was just avg but i really liked the high it gave. it was a nice indica stone. the yield wasnt amazing either though..i netted 2 1/2 oz from the plant.

not saying ghs isnt worth dickin around with but i wouldnt put any ghs in my cart on the tude unless it was to fill out an order to qualify for a promo or something.

bdt1981 said:

what up with greenhouse seeds having really good prices on some really big yielding strains. Formexample exodus cheese is less than 5 usd when you buy ten and says up to 800 gm per msquared with 1000 watts per meter squared. Now im new to buying seeds from banks so i dont know much about seeds but i know i see lots less yielders costing lots more. Is greenhouse a good breeder? Anyone who knows from exp about them please givemyour opinion on your exp with them. Many thanks to those whontake the time to reply.

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Buy from any other breeder is my suggestion.

This is what i'm feeling on the subject.Greenhouse seeds offer a ton of strains ,probably more than any other breeder so yes some of those strains are not going to be good.Arjan ,if you have ever watched the "grow sessions" on their site doesnt come across all that genuine,more of a sales person.A real issue i have with Greenhouse and why i probly won't try them out is the conflicting info regarding these "grow session" tapes.They advertise their strains as a thc % and then you can watch the strain being grown along with week by week cannabinoid updates. .Out of all the vids i watched ,kings kush and kilashnakova were the only ones that lived up to their advertised thc.White rhino for instance billed as 18% thc and only reached 11% on the video.There was a few others but can't remember.THEN there was the oh ,look ,we forgot to add that thc count to the video..like super lemon haze for instance ,they measured it up to week 5 or something at 7% and then no more updates on thc! .. it immediatley makes you think what they found wasnot worth advertising..but sure it's what you see that you remember so youll remember that it is billed as 19% thc on the advert.

That is my issue with greenhouse.I don't believe they are being true to the serious cannabis grower and are more interested in marketing to noobs.. serious growers will see such flaws as i have..not that i'm a big time serious grower,but i'm a grower with a brain whos read alot about different strains and stuff and generaly will know if i have been had or not.They're banking on their target market putting a seed in some dirt and if it ends up with a marijuana leaf attached to a stem ,job done.Serious growers though will realise the plants are not as they should be..

all that aside i'm sure some of their strains are great..It's a plant after all..it doesnt know which breeder packet it came in.

only thing to do is try them and see ,trial and error.I'm sure you'll find a keeper somewhere...but for someone like me ,i don't have the time or space to grow a packet of shite out just to find something good ,so i stick to breeders with proven good reps ,like dna genetics ,sensi/white label or female seeds..

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This is what i'm feeling on the subject.Greenhouse seeds offer a ton of strains ,probably more than any other breeder so yes some of those strains are not going to be good.Arjan ,if you have ever watched the "grow sessions" on their site doesnt come across all that genuine,more of a sales person.A real issue i have with Greenhouse and why i probly won't try them out is the conflicting info regarding these "grow session" tapes.They advertise their strains as a thc % and then you can watch the strain being grown along with week by week cannabinoid updates. .Out of all the vids i watched ,kings kush and kilashnakova were the only ones that lived up to their advertised thc.White rhino for instance billed as 18% thc and only reached 11% on the video.There was a few others but can't remember.THEN there was the oh ,look ,we forgot to add that thc count to the video..like super lemon haze for instance ,they measured it up to week 5 or something at 7% and then no more updates on thc! .. it immediatley makes you think what they found wasnot worth advertising..but sure it's what you see that you remember so youll remember that it is billed as 19% thc on the advert.

That is my issue with greenhouse.I don't believe they are being true to the serious cannabis grower and are more interested in marketing to noobs.. serious growers will see such flaws as i have..not that i'm a big time serious grower,but i'm a grower with a brain whos read alot about different strains and stuff and generaly will know if i have been had or not.They're banking on their target market putting a seed in some dirt and if it ends up with a marijuana leaf attached to a stem ,job done.Serious growers though will realise the plants are not as they should be..

all that aside i'm sure some of their strains are great..It's a plant after all..it doesnt know which breeder packet it came in.

only thing to do is try them and see ,trial and error.I'm sure you'll find a keeper somewhere...but for someone like me ,i don't have the time or space to grow a packet of shite out just to find something good ,so i stick to breeders with proven good reps ,like dna genetics ,sensi/white label or female seeds..

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i have looked at white label and am interested in the white skunk and double gum.. what can i say im a sucker for a good deal and they are both priced very low.. i havent found much about white label online.. any people with any good to say about them?

puffdatchronic said:

This is what i'm feeling on the subject.Greenhouse seeds offer a ton of strains ,probably more than any other breeder so yes some of those strains are not going to be good.Arjan ,if you have ever watched the "grow sessions" on their site doesnt come across all that genuine,more of a sales person.A real issue i have with Greenhouse and why i probly won't try them out is the conflicting info regarding these "grow session" tapes.They advertise their strains as a thc % and then you can watch the strain being grown along with week by week cannabinoid updates. .Out of all the vids i watched ,kings kush and kilashnakova were the only ones that lived up to their advertised thc.White rhino for instance billed as 18% thc and only reached 11% on the video.There was a few others but can't remember.THEN there was the oh ,look ,we forgot to add that thc count to the video..like super lemon haze for instance ,they measured it up to week 5 or something at 7% and then no more updates on thc! .. it immediatley makes you think what they found wasnot worth advertising..but sure it's what you see that you remember so youll remember that it is billed as 19% thc on the advert.

That is my issue with greenhouse.I don't believe they are being true to the serious cannabis grower and are more interested in marketing to noobs.. serious growers will see such flaws as i have..not that i'm a big time serious grower,but i'm a grower with a brain whos read alot about different strains and stuff and generaly will know if i have been had or not.They're banking on their target market putting a seed in some dirt and if it ends up with a marijuana leaf attached to a stem ,job done.Serious growers though will realise the plants are not as they should be..

all that aside i'm sure some of their strains are great..It's a plant after all..it doesnt know which breeder packet it came in.

only thing to do is try them and see ,trial and error.I'm sure you'll find a keeper somewhere...but for someone like me ,i don't have the time or space to grow a packet of shite out just to find something good ,so i stick to breeders with proven good reps ,like dna genetics ,sensi/white label or female seeds..

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well said. i do think ghs preys on noobs who hear about their good rep "back in the day" and tries to sucker them in now w/ low priced genetics.

if ghs didnt b.s. on their descriptions they may have more followers.

i think that theres some good genetics somewhere in their gene pool..but its like you said...you gotta grow out a few 10 packs and hope for the best. i too like to stick to breeders that you can order via pick and mix and be guaranteed at least something of quality if not the "ideal" pheno.

with ghs you search thru crap for a decent pheno...with a good breeder you search through decent/good phenos for the ideal one.

thats also why i believe ghs is so cheap...bcuz you still have to blow 100-150 to find the good stuff.

Rite get what u pay for and all that. So what exactly are you looking for with the ideal pheno. I just recently saw for myself the difference in phenos when growing more than one seed of the same strain. Take blue dream from hso there were 2 maybe 3. Phenos out of 6 seeds. One was really tight nuggs rock hard and one was big fluffy sweet smelling when the other had an odd smell that was pleasant. The tighter one got you baked out as fast as anything but so did the sweet smelling one. If I had to chose I would for go with the sweet smelling one.
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themanwiththeplan said:

"ive had hermie issues....stability does not seem to be a problem"

does anyone see a problem with these two conflicting claims. you cant have hermie issues and not have stability issues. they kind of go hand in hand. if you have hermie issues with a strain or breeder its considered a stability issue. same way as if the seeds dont germ on a routine basis...

ive bought and grown a 10 pack from ghs in the past. i had severe stability issues. i have 2 600s but 8 plants that were extremely different from each other (from 2 ft indica doms to 5 ft sativa doms...same strain...out of the same 10 pack). thats stability issues on their part. its like they just took two random plants...made seeds...then sold them.

also you claim their yields are spot on?!? prove it.

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Everyone seems to believe it always the genetics if they have a few herms, its a myth. Though genetics play an impotant role, more times than not its the grower or the enviorment that causes this situation.

My room is filled with Great White Shark right now in a perpetual grow. Being perpetual I can only estimate, GHS estimates 800g per meter squared for the shark. One of my flower sides would be just over 2 meters so in order to meet GHS numbers I would have to produce just over 1600g for my 2 meters in a 4 month period. Correct? I am currently producing 1 1/2 pounds a week on 2 rooms or 4 square meters, so cutting that in half it comes out to 3/4 pounds a week. Over a four month period that would work out to about 12 pounds or 5376g.

I have well improved their expectations, now this has been the best producer I have ever seen but any others I have planted have not dissapointed me yet.

What works for me may not always work for you, this is the society we live in.

theman ,spot on,my view entirely.

bdt - white label is afilliated with sensi ,they are more or less the same company

ganja that is impressive weight you are producing.. would be quite nice to be your neighbour ...

bdt1981 said:

Rite get what u pay for and all that. So what exactly are you looking for with the ideal pheno. I just recently saw for myself the difference in phenos when growing more than one seed of the same strain. Take blue dream from hso there were 2 maybe 3. Phenos out of 6 seeds. One was really tight nuggs rock hard and one was big fluffy sweet smelling when the other had an odd smell that was pleasant. The tighter one got you baked out as fast as anything but so did the sweet smelling one. If I had to chose I would for go with the sweet smelling one.
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well what you're looking for varies. if ur growing ak47 ur looking for a "cherry" pheno i guess.

it matters what ur goal is. some look for the pheno that produces the most yield...others like phenos that are shorter (height issues) some are after certain scents..or even a certain high as highs can vary between phenos of the same strain. some express more of the mothers stone...others the father etc. etc.

mattering on the strain you have an idea of wat ur looking for.

like i grew white berry (paradise seeds) and all the plants were pretty much the same except one had a distinct smell of starburst...so in that case if i get another pack of white berry id be pheno hunting looking for the starburst pheno again.


best way is to get a pack...make clones of each plant...send them to flowering...then monitor them to see which is the most promising pheno (as it performs in the flowering stage).

pheno hunting without making clones is pretty difficult.

themanwiththeplan said:

well what you're looking for varies. if ur growing ak47 ur looking for a "cherry" pheno i guess.

it matters what ur goal is. some look for the pheno that produces the most yield...others like phenos that are shorter (height issues) some are after certain scents..or even a certain high as highs can vary between phenos of the same strain. some express more of the mothers stone...others the father etc. etc.

mattering on the strain you have an idea of wat ur looking for.

like i grew white berry (paradise seeds) and all the plants were pretty much the same except one had a distinct smell of starburst...so in that case if i get another pack of white berry id be pheno hunting looking for the starburst pheno again.


best way is to get a pack...make clones of each plant...send them to flowering...then monitor them to see which is the most promising pheno (as it performs in the flowering stage).

pheno hunting without making clones is pretty difficult.

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so that's what ill do. that's pretty kick ass way, I wasn't really understanding that until just recently after my last harvest with the blue dream since it was my first, actually now that I think about it I had got some skunkberry from Jordan of the iles and they were reg seeds but the plants all were exactly the same except one that grew bud sites on the leaf stems and the end result was a lot of bud with leaves like inside the bud. I didn't really care for it at all. so being all the same does that mean they are f1s? the sb and b d are the only two I have had multiple seeds of so I never really thought they would vary like that.

its unlikely they are F1s if they are genetically similar to each other (in height, plant shape, bud structure, etc) it usually means the line of genetics has been shrunk to increase your odds of something great. thats a good sign when growing seeds from a breeder. dinafem and paradise have shown me that a lot. GHS not ever lol thats y i believe they are cheaper.

I've watched GHS get trashed on multiple forums for multiple years. A mixed reputation may as well be a bad one. There are breeders with great reputations, why spend money on a breeder surrounded by controversy? Whether GHS is a good breeder or not, there's enough bad reviews to warrant hesitation. There are enough known good breeders out there where you can avoid any potentially negative experiences. I've bought hundreds of seeds and have never regretted a seed purchase, but then I've never purchased GHS.

and GHS continues to get bashed.... lets just say im the type of person that roots to the underdog. not to say I will purchas ghs again but I sure hope to prove everybody wrong. and why buy from a breeder with a bad rep well I got ten fem seeds for 45 bucks or so opposed to twice that with any other well known breeder. and I like to keep cost down. anyone know anything about white label seeds? ever the bargain hunter i came across them and they have low prices. i read they are sister co to sensi seeds...