Got screwed by Greybeard...

TreeFarmerCharlie

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You aren't looking apparently. Alao, I'm taking into account that almost every breeder on there is BOGO... but not the tons of other great freebies that come with your order.

I'm honestly about tired of preaching common sense to skeptical seed virgins who need convincing not to buy obviously fake genertics from sham companies. Good luck in your quest for the obvious.
What is with your attitude, man? You keep telling people they are stupid for buying from companies like ILGM and then give them shit when they ask you where you are finding them as cheap as you say? When I said I wait for sales from ILGM so I get my seeds for $5 a piece you laughed at that response and said that was still expensive for seeds and that you pay less for better seeds. So is your goal really to help people stay away from seeds vendors you consider a rip-off? Or are you just out to ridicule people who don't purchase seeds from the sources you do?
 

Hawg Wild

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What is with your attitude, man? You keep telling people they are stupid for buying from companies like ILGM and then give them shit when they ask you where you are finding them as cheap as you say? When I said I wait for sales from ILGM so I get my seeds for $5 a piece you laughed at that response and said that was still expensive for seeds and that you pay less for better seeds. So is your goal really to help people stay away from seeds vendors you consider a rip-off? Or are you just out to ridicule people who don't purchase seeds from the sources you do?
Nope and now you are on ignore. If you want to get fleeced on crap genetics, your choice. I'm done with this idiotic conversation.
 

TreeFarmerCharlie

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Nope and now you are on ignore. If you want to get fleeced on crap genetics, your choice. I'm done with this idiotic conversation.
Thanks for confirming what I suspected. I was actually in the process of making a purchase from Great Lakes Genetics when I sent you my question earlier but your ego is so inflated that you couldn't even help someone out with an honest question. Now I know just to ignore your advice.
 

mordynyc

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Why the drama lets say an intermediate noob like me wants to grow 1-2 good harvests we usually look at Fem seeds and classics so I heard WW grows well in hot environments, I search CHicom google and ILGM takes cc and has great marketing etc
1589992667939.png I don't need 20 seeds.
Now the million dollar question is their WW better than any others?
I search for WW in seedfinder and sorted by reviews.
Ministry of Cannabis was on top and did a price compare.
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Why should I pay 3x more?

This is just one example.
 

TreeFarmerCharlie

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Why the drama lets say an intermediate noob like me wants to grow 1-2 good harvests we usually look at Fem seeds and classics so I heard WW grows well in hot environments, I search CHicom google and ILGM takes cc and has great marketing etc
View attachment 4571404 I don't need 20 seeds.
Now the million dollar question is their WW better than any others?
I search for WW in seedfinder and sorted by reviews.
Ministry of Cannabis was on top and did a price compare.
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Why should I pay 3x more?

This is just one example.
I didn't come here to start drama, I was in the process of buying some seeds and had an honest question. The drama started when he acted like an asshole. The issue I've found with only buying 5 seeds at a time, no matter who you go through, is that you wind up paying more per seed when you factor in the shipping. I usually try to spend enough to get free shipping thrown in, too. I also have no issues with buying 20-40 seeds at a time because other local growers I know often like to trade seeds. I know ILGM doesn't carry any seeds from well known breeders but I've had great results, with everything I've grown from them, whether they are the actual strain they claim or not. The picture in my avatar is their OG Kush. It smells, tastes, and hits like every OG Kush description I've read so, seriously, who cares if it's the original OG Kush strain or not? I don't run a dispensory, and I don't sell to one, I just grow for myself and my close friends .
 

mordynyc

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I didn't come here to start drama, I was in the process of buying some seeds and had an honest question. The drama started when he acted like an asshole. The issue I've found with only buying 5 seeds at a time, no matter who you go through, is that you wind up paying more per seed when you factor in the shipping. I usually try to spend enough to get free shipping thrown in, too. I also have no issues with buying 20-40 seeds at a time because other local growers I know often like to trade seeds. I know ILGM doesn't carry any seeds from well known breeders but I've had great results, with everything I've grown from them, whether they are the actual strain they claim or not. The picture in my avatar is their OG Kush. It smells, tastes, and hits like every OG Kush description I've read so, seriously, who cares if it's the original OG Kush strain or not? I don't run a dispensory, and I don't sell to one, I just grow for myself and my close friends .
Actually I didn't direct it at anyone in particular.
Im sure they are reliable but with some research IME i can find good pics, reviews, grow journals etc of a much cheaper seed of the same strain.
For some profit growers a few hours to save even a few hundred is not worth it to someone who likes their source and will profit well from it
 

TreeFarmerCharlie

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See that's great but not everyone needs 20 seeds and even if i did id get so bored but thats me.
I totally get that. I just don't understand why he has to give people so much shit about "paying more" through ILGM and then can't even back his own statements up with links. I personally don't factor random freebies into the seed price calculation, because I would personally like to just get what I pay for and have them cut me a deal for volume rather than throw in random genetics that I may not even want to grow. The fact that he put me on his ignore list speaks volumes.
 

mordynyc

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I went to seedfinder and pumped up my example to 10 seeds came out under 4.70 each but thats just White widow.
Theres a reason i never order from ilgm or msnl or loserschoice etc to me it's a ripoff for smaller orders especially and i dont have a sense of connection to a breeders description. Maybe they have a few people swear by but i dont find the rest special compared to known individual breeders.
 

Hawg Wild

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Since this thread keeps popping back up, I decided to see what you had to say and, of course... I'm the asshole. The reason you are on ignore is because I spent about two hours on this conversation with YOU on another thread and listed a good 20 reputable seed banks for you AND answered the EXACT SAME QUESTION from YOU about price per seed... yet here you are acting like I'm trying to sell you something. Dude, I honestly hope you never get anything but ILGM trash for the rest of your life at this point. It's just ridiculous the level of dumbassery people will go to in order to avoid the obvious.
 

Hawg Wild

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I went to seedfinder and pumped up my example to 10 seeds came out under 4.70 each but thats just White widow.
Theres a reason i never order from ilgm or msnl or loserschoice etc to me it's a ripoff for smaller orders especially and i dont have a sense of connection to a breeders description. Maybe they have a few people swear by but i dont find the rest special compared to known individual breeders.
Best Widow I've ever had was Black Widow fgens by Beanhoarder. He only sells regs and only on HempDepot. Other than that and paying big bucks to pheno hunt an 18 pack of the original (Mr. Nice Black Widow NOT Greenhouse), the Kannabia Silver Widow was pretty impressive.
 

mordynyc

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Best Widow I've ever had was Black Widow fgens by Beanhoarder. He only sells regs and only on HempDepot. Other than that and paying big bucks to pheno hunt an 18 pack of the original (Mr. Nice Black Widow NOT Greenhouse), the Kannabia Silver Widow was pretty impressive.
I think kannabia was on top of reviews on seed finder too. Is black widow the same strain diff pheno?
 

TreeFarmerCharlie

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Since this thread keeps popping back up, I decided to see what you had to say and, of course... I'm the asshole. The reason you are on ignore is because I spent about two hours on this conversation with YOU on another thread and listed a good 20 reputable seed banks for you AND answered the EXACT SAME QUESTION from YOU about price per seed... yet here you are acting like I'm trying to sell you something. Dude, I honestly hope you never get anything but ILGM trash for the rest of your life at this point. It's just ridiculous the level of dumbassery people will go to in order to avoid the obvious.
You truly are an asshole. I've bought from places other than ILGM, but you seem to just have tunnel vision when you hear someone even mention ILGM, because you go off the rails. I tried having a regular conversation with you, but that has proven to be impossible, because you can't say anything without adding in insults.
 

Hawg Wild

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I think kannabia was on top of reviews on seed finder too. Is black widow the same strain diff pheno?
Black Widow is the original White Widow f1. Shantibaba was the breeder at Greenhouse. When he left and started Mr. Nice with Howard Marks, he took the parents and renamed the strain to differentiate it, but Greenhouse kept selling White Widow even though they no longer had the breeding material to make it. Beanhoarder has separated out 4 different phenos of Black Widow keepers and produces seed from those.
 

Hawg Wild

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I think kannabia was on top of reviews on seed finder too. Is black widow the same strain diff pheno?
Seedfinder is ok as a research tool but take the ratings with a big grain of salt. A lot of the genetic lineages are wrong and it's not all that difficult for someone to get their friends to spam reviews and pump their stuff up. They're also based out of Europe and don't list as much stuff by the more boutique American breeders who have the serious fire to work with.
 

Roles5990

New Member
Hello Everyone, this is the owner of Greybeard Robin Curtiss. This email is to let you know what has happened to Greybeard. Due to some new banking regulations, our Credit card processor dropped us, leaving no way to fulfill your orders.

The processor closed our account on May 3rd and didn't bother to tell us until May 8th. Consequently 240 orders totally around $40,000 are in limbo, you were charge and I never got the money. They are holing it until the first of June, where they have said they may let them process or just delete them and return the money to you. They won't give me a definite answer.

We have found a new processor, but its a process getting them set up and our timeline is approximately another week, which will put us reopening around the 26th of May or so.

I realize this puts all of you in a huge bind as the growing season is starting.
I have 2 options available to you

1) Charge back the charges now, but as you know this will probably take about 14 business days to resolve itself.

2) You can wait and I will fulfill your when the new processor is setup

Neither of these options are good ones, but it is the only thing I can do. We will not charge you and take your money without sending your seeds.
I've seen the social media onslaught about us but the things being said are not true.
Yes recently we've been running out of supplies, but, this is due to Spain being closed from the Corona Virus, our shipments of seeds we're setting in Spain. There fore out timeline of reception was irrelevant. Seems like a perfect storm.

Whichever you decide, know, again, that we do no t steal from people, ever!
We can't please everyone, and they voice their frustration on social media, but it doesn't make these words true.

I currently have over 7000 emails in Greybeards mail box, it would take me a lifetime to get through them and for this I apologize as well as for the delays.

Sincerely

Robin Curtiss
Owner/CEO
Greybeard Industries
Has there been any updates from him since this? I never even received this email so if there have been any updates I didn't get them either
 
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