GOP fiscal cliff counter offer: raise taxes on the middle class

now that you lost the "we aren't paying them" argument you are back on the word merc. Pages back I said we'll call them security personnel because the image the word merc conjures. We think of hollywood's version not Webster's.

I don't know how to make you understand this. The US government is paying specialized security personnel to train Iraqi security, this was so important we couldn't spare a few in Benghazi. No matter how many names you call me, you are still clueless.

Maybe the missus will buy you that glass bellybutton you so desperately need for Christmas.

ginwilly said:

now that you lost the "we aren't paying them" argument you are back on the word merc. Pages back I said we'll call them security personnel because the image the word merc conjures. We think of hollywood's version not Webster's.

I don't know how to make you understand this. The US government is paying specialized security personnel to train Iraqi security, this was so important we couldn't spare a few in Benghazi. No matter how many names you call me, you are still clueless. Maybe the missus will buy you that glass bellybutton you so desperately need for Christmas.

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Moving goal posts once again
and again you fail

Any citations for those mercenarys yet? Make sure to provide a link with the original article and a date

Large scaled operation conducted by coalition forces to assist in the policing and training of Iraqi Police(IP) and Iraqi Special/National Police. PTTs are traditionally US Army Military Police squads dedicated to Iraqi Police stations in Iraq. The teams conduct joint patrols with IPs, share station defense, gather numbers of station information, and counter-terrorism intelligence. The US MP squads usually develop trusting relations with the IPs and conduct community policing throughout Iraq together. The joint patrols and force of the PTTs have helped curb violence, and increase respect and the professional image of Iraq's police force. Later in the program, the duties began to be filled by USAF Security Forces members. Along with most of the Police Transition Teams, an International Police Liaison Officer(IPLO) was present. The IPLOs are highly experienced US peace officers to assist in post-academy training of the IPs. The mission has played a vital role in the ability of Iraq to police and protect its own, increasing the length of the projected measures to secure Iraq.
National Police Transition Teams (NPTT) are 11-man military transition teams embedded in Iraqi National Police units at the battalion, brigade, division, and corps headquarters levels. Currently, these teams are resourced by the US Army and the US Marine Corps. Like the PTTs, each team is assisted by an IPLO and anywhere from 1-6 local interpreters.

I give up, you are right. We have nobody in Iraq and the US government is not paying anyone a dime there pertaining to what those nobodies who are not there specialize in. After my n/q correction I admit I moved the goal posts from saying we were paying security personnel to we are paying security personnel. My apologies.

BTW, I still have no idea what your point was about the amount that is paid by the government compared to private money. What was the answer anyway?

ginwilly said:

I give up, you are right. We have nobody in Iraq and the US government is not paying anyone a dime there pertaining to what those nobodies who are not there specialize in. After my n/q correction I admit I moved the goal posts from saying we were paying security personnel to we are paying security personnel. My apologies.

BTW, I still have no idea what your point was about the amount that is paid by the government compared to private money. What was the answer anyway?

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Still waiting on you to back up your assertion the US Goverment is hiring mercenaries in Iraq. Been waiting all day to no avail. All you do is try to move the goal posts and erect strawmen

ginwilly said:

Wake me when we have stopped spending money on wars. Those 15k hired mercs in Iran count too, so you don't get to claim you cut spending by ending a war on Bush's agreed timeline.

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Fwiw I looked at ginwilly's links and also did a search of my own. I could find no articles confirming the number of private security consultants in Iraq; that number seems to be not talked around a whole lot. cn

cannabineer said:

Fwiw I looked at ginwilly's links and also did a search of my own. I could find no articles confirming the number of private security consultants in Iraq; that number seems to be not talked around a whole lot. cn

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Because it is nil
Iraqis said in no uncertain terms they will not tolerate "private security" personnel breaking any laws in Iraq

Nothing like the fear of rotting in a Iraqi prison to quell the thirst for adventure and high pay

The private security firms that are operating are doing so at the behest of private business's and most of the staff are local Iraqis

And yet I don't think Iraq saying ... in no uncertain terms equates with there being no mercs/consultants/private soldiers ... it's suggestive but not conclusive. cn

You too can be a private security personnel in Iraq payed for by the US government. http://www.sigir.mil/files/audits/12-018.pdf You've got to love the names they give these totally not government positions Office of Security Cooperation-Iraq in the Operations Center. Headquarters are in Virginia so no matter what Blackwater is calling themselves these days, this is who you will work for.

While going through the myriad of links to verify or disqualify 15K the numbers I see jump all over the place. It started at an estimate of 5K pre-withdrawal to the 15000 I read to upwards of 375K. All of those numbers however are higher than 0. I'm assuming this 375K number includes other countries as well as private interests. No way people wouldn't scream if we paid for all of that. But I stumbled on the actual budget section signed by the IG. It's disgusting how much we are still spending from the defense budget for Iraq and I was a bit surprised how much value and investment we still have there. http://Office of Security Cooperation-Iraq in the Operations Center.

You can get a job gaurding our shit too if you have military experience. Your check will read whatever company under the umbrella of Blackwater your application falls but the money is coming from US taxes (well, really China) and I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to admit this.

ginwilly said:

You too can be a private security personnel in Iraq payed for by the US government. http://www.sigir.mil/files/audits/12-018.pdf You've got to love the names they give these totally not government positions Office of Security Cooperation-Iraq in the Operations Center. Headquarters are in Virginia so no matter what Blackwater is calling themselves these days, this is who you will work for.

While going through the myriad of links to verify or disqualify 15K the numbers I see jump all over the place. It started at an estimate of 5K pre-withdrawal to the 15000 I read to upwards of 375K. All of those numbers however are higher than 0. I'm assuming this 375K number includes other countries as well as private interests. No way people wouldn't scream if we paid for all of that. But I stumbled on the actual budget section signed by the IG. It's disgusting how much we are still spending from the defense budget for Iraq and I was a bit surprised how much value and investment we still have there. http://Office of Security Cooperation-Iraq in the Operations Center.

You can get a job gaurding our shit too if you have military experience. Your check will read whatever company under the umbrella of Blackwater your application falls but the money is coming from US taxes (well, really China) and I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to admit this.

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nothing in your link about mercenarys either


again you fail

ChesusRice said:

nothing in your link about mercenarys either


again you fail

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You can read the actual appropriations bill and still claim we don't pay security personnel in Iraq? wowzers man. Posting on a pot forum is a strange make a wish, but I'm thinking that could be the most logical explanation.

ginwilly said:

You can read the actual appropriations bill and still claim we don't pay security personnel in Iraq? wowzers man. Posting on a pot forum is a strange make a wish, but I'm thinking that could be the most logical explanation.

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Yes I read the whole thing. Why don't you point out the relevant part

I don't know what to tell you. It's as if Obama says its a whole number between 3 and 5 and you are claiming he didn't say that number was 4. If giving the appropriations bill with military spending in Iraq broken down for us, including training and security and costs, and you STILL don't believe it, you are never going to believe it. If an application for just such a job is presented and you still think that it doesn't exist you never will. If you are linked to a government site with that ridiculous name instructing you on how to apply for a security job ( 5-10 years military with weapons training preferred but totally not mercs er militarily trained private security personnel) and you still claim none of that money comes from the US gov ( coupled with the actual defense spending data)
then nothing short Obama saying its true will convince you. I'm done trying.

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Many more available .

ginwilly said:

(well, really China)

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China is a Net seller of US Treasuries.

Moses Mobetta said:

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Many more available .

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Look at the dates
got anything from the last 9 months?

canndo said:

I just now read where U.S. corporations have recorded record profit - now there is nothing new in this of late but along with this news was news that worker salary has also recorded a record this quarter - it is at record lows. "I got mine, fuck you" is a description of this situation as well, the only problem is that the condition cannot last long - eventually, the middle class's inability to purchase goods will cut into corporate profit. Next corporations will see a global marketplace as their salvation - only... they are riding on low pay internationaly as well. They will not be able to sell many iphones to the chinese who are working for 80 cents an hour and living in company dorm rooms. this is the result of a "free Market" - any truely free market will eventually kill the goose that brought them all those shiny eggs. Conservatives simply cannot understand anything that has consequences.

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Apple buys their phones FROM the Chinese, you got it backwards.

Red1966 said:

Apple buys their phones FROM the Chinese, you got it backwards.

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shut the fuck up, stormfront red.

canndo said:

The guy? I said Cusp of - in other words he is not yet 65 and has no cover. Obama's plan is to keep things as they are for the middle class - as he defines middle class - those making under 250k. He wants to keep the payroll tax break, he wants to keep Bush's tax break, he would like to keep medicare as it is but is willing to offer some cuts. The right is demonstrating that they are willing to harm the middle class (as they always are) just so they can keep their rich pals from having to pay any more. Now where is this "more" you are talkikng about?

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Obama's plan raised taxes on everybody. He made no effort to keep the payroll tax break at all. He signed the bill that let it expire. He has been robbing Medicare to the tune of $700+ billion dollars. Yet you sit there and spew all those falsehoods. You really lack objectivity.

Red1966 said:

Obama's plan raised taxes on everybody. He made no effort to keep the payroll tax break at all. He signed the bill that let it expire. He has been robbing Medicare to the tune of $700+ billion dollars. Yet you sit there and spew all those falsehoods. You really lack objectivity.

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so it was the GOP's idea to let the payroll tax cut expire, and you blame obama?

you are fucking retarded.

oh yeah, the robbing medicare nonsense. how did that work out?

canndo said:

Sure, unless your competition does not. So you say when you are personaly taxed, you pass your personal tax burden on to your customers - that is not always successful.

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While not passing your BUSINESS expenses on is always successful.