giving defoliation during flower a try

When i use ad buy nutrients and have questions i want answers why wouldnt u wanna use a company and nutrient who design them specficially for such purpose that doesnt make sense to you?

William Van de Zwaan has not been making nutrients for decades before Canna.. The dude started working in the nutrient field in the early 90's out of Holland.. His famiky owned plants and green houses in netherlands for along time which led him into the cannabis industry.. Trying to lie and tell people such information is ridiculous and doesnt matter anyways. But he helped develop a few diff nutrient lines and was one of the premier developers for nutrients throughout holland and netherlands. Furthermore, sfter working and developing other peoples brands he decided he should just start making his own nutrients backed by his families business and his passion for growing plants which led him to starting H&G after Canna had been out for years. Like insaid before H&G are good nutrients im on here explaining why they are better than these other dudes posting about running walmart foods and how good jacks classic and dyna gro is in comparison to such companies which is absolute non sense. In conclusion, since you think Van de Zwaan is such a good nutrient can youe explain why he also developed a bloom and flowering enhancer if you dont meed them. Someone with 3 decades of growing under his belt back by his families additional 50 years in horticulture business and gardening why he wouldnt just say hey you dint pk boosters and flower enhancers heres a 2 or 3 part base nutrient just run this and you will be allset? Why wouldnt they do that.

And ur answer is gonna be oh thats what the customers what because of marketing scams etc.. And the answer im responding is no thats not why they make them because in conjuction with a good nok fertilizer they orovide the ability to perform to peak levels and go beyond what a simple base nutrient can provide which u can use in conjuction with other bases like GH for example, by adding the bud-xl and the top shooter and booster to increase yields and quality of flowers. So id love here an explanation for why they sre all snake oils if everyone in the world makes them for such purposes?

pk_boosted2 said:

In bloom i usually run canna organic line or the substra whatever u want too do..

Botanicare also great product dont get me wrong just gonna be able yield more w canna over botanicare bcuz botanicare pure blend series is organic but you can get great quality off of it as well no issues w them whatsoever.. One of my customers just did a white berry kush and black diesel w botanicare bases and added b52 from advanced w roots excel from h&g up until week 2 in bloom and then during peak flower initiation he added atami's bloombastic to harden flowers and ripen and lemme tell u his shit was the bomb

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I just went and got cannas whole line....lol...i didnt hear back from ya lol. Ahh well, im sure its the same deal. Alot of the guys hold it in pretty high regard so i figured i couldnt go wrong for my first sunshine attempt. cant wait to figure it all out the hard way. Its all good, i break boards with my head. Im a ninja ffs

And to touch up on that topic for those misnformed people who think becsuse advanced nutrients runs so many separate containers of micros etc.. Its because those people dont understand how nutrients work and react with each other within their molecular structure u can only add so much weight of each element per bottle before they no longer are binding snd the molecules break apart and can no longer hold form to reach level required for plants needs. Therefore resulting in the bloom enhancers and pk boosters and aminos and silicstes and on and on and on. Once u understand that its not possible to do that u will then no why theres not 1 big bottle with everything u need. Also having each supplement and micro broken down in each individual bottles and paired up with its complementary micro eleclements u have better control to dial in your plants needs to make changes easily and have chelated nutrients that can be readily available for optimum uptake

Canna is primo. And nice thing about those nutrients is that u just need to follow bottle there no need to cut or reduce feedings once u have established plants in veg and bloom.. Start w half always to see how they take it then dont worry about going to recommend usage those nutrients are awesome.. Only thing sometimes when running a sativa adding some natures nectar an supplement at half strength first few weeks of bloom is all u need. Also heres a great tip running canna start using the canna boost a week before u go into bloom this will provide the plant w the energy it needs to ramp up flower production in bloom continue using it the whole time and have it ramped up max dose during pesk bloom weeks 3-5(6) depending on variety then until week 5-6 when u hit the pk booster start cut it back down to half than only give it bases, cannazyme cut out all boosters after week 7 until u flush and i promise ur good to go happy growing

Nature nectar N supplement at half strength first 2 weeks in bloom u get the substra or the bio-canna organic line?

Ninjabowler said:

Ok, Pk, i really am in need of gear like today and have to get something pronto. Id love to start trying your style. I already run drain to waste in ffof but its time to change it up.
Give me a list of things for my grow medium to pick up. Pro mix, peat? And nutes, im fresh outta what i ran last grow so i need more. Canna, what kinds? Boosters, anything else? You name it im getting it. This will be fun

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Wow Ninga slow her down man lol. Wouldnt want to get in the way of your shopping cart at the store lol.

in my experience, it has a lot to do with what type of grow you are doing. Sure, it may not be as important if you dont do a lot of training, but with a scroog,having a ton of shoots in close proximity to one another, it can get very crowded. If you dont trim away leaves on certain strains, the grow turns out with a lot of nice tops but below a few inches are immature buds that are of poor quality. Sure, leaving the leaves on might result in greater yield, but there is a large percentage of shitty buds. I have tried both methods and with a little discretion, trimming away the right leaves results in a high yield of all top shelf buds. Many will crucify me for this, lol, but your book facts will not sway my decision, as my decision is based on my own personal tests and experiences, so try it out for yourself and see what you prefer.

pk_boosted2 said:

Nature nectar N supplement at half strength first 2 weeks in bloom u get the substra or the bio-canna organic line?

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Substra, i went with the sunshine but its the "advanced" or "expert" or pro or whatever. It has some mycorrhizas and other bennies in it so its not just the base model. Ill add some great white and kick it into go mode. ya the guys at the store had nothing but good things to say. One of those damn jugs was 500 bucks though. I chuckled a bit

waterdawg said:

Wow Ninga slow her down man lol. Wouldnt want to get in the way of your shopping cart at the store lol.

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Nope itll mow ya down lol. My back hurts just remembering it lol. I needed something. I was fresh outta everything cept silica and calmag and fungus, oh and seaweed, and guano.....but thats it but it was dry. How ya been waterdawg? Havent seen ya in a while, hows the grow?

Yah canna boost is expensive but worth every penny trust me it wont let u down never has failed me ever love it

U can buy it online for lil less money. Around like 100 less but whatever at end of day it costs about 10$ a plant. So every plant u grow u ned make sure u can grow 1 gram a plant to pay for costs oh my god its breaking the bank lol

Yeah taking out large site blocking fan leaves def increases bud growth i agree but stripping plant of ALOT of fan leaves is counter productive u know

pk_boosted2 said:

Yeah taking out large site blocking fan leaves def increases bud growth i agree but stripping plant of ALOT of fan leaves is counter productive u know

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Im on that page. I dont really mess with the top much at all. I have friends that take some top fans off reeeally late in flower but i never have. Ill just rearrange the canopy in the net to get better sun down low. That is if the damn plants dont split in half and do it for me. That always opens em up to light A cool guy on this site gave me something to try with my lower stuff. I usually take the leaves and the bud sites off in the bottom middle and up clean up the lower little branches, but he suggested just taking the bud sites and leaving the leaves. Im going to try a couple like that and see if theres a noticeable difference. It would make sence i guess.

axl said:

in my experience, it has a lot to do with what type of grow you are doing. Sure, it may not be as important if you dont do a lot of training, but with a scroog,having a ton of shoots in close proximity to one another, it can get very crowded. If you dont trim away leaves on certain strains, the grow turns out with a lot of nice tops but below a few inches are immature buds that are of poor quality. Sure, leaving the leaves on might result in greater yield, but there is a large percentage of shitty buds. I have tried both methods and with a little discretion, trimming away the right leaves results in a high yield of all top shelf buds. Many will crucify me for this, lol, but your book facts will not sway my decision, as my decision is based on my own personal tests and experiences, so try it out for yourself and see what you prefer.

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Axl, what are you doooing man! You cant talk about defoliating scrog on this thread! Uncle ben and his minions are here! They dont recognize scrog as a form of growing, Ben tells me that you shouldnt do it anyway. All that lime green color crap is worth something to someone and it should be embraced and not removed to get nutrients to the top of the scrog. Ask him, hell tell ya, your doing it wrong

I trelis everything idk wtf he talkin about primarily for support how does thin trelis netting block light from underneath? I also stake everything for added support.. Another one of his he knows best quotes i guess smh

Ninjabowler said:

Bro my grow fucking rocks. I kill it.

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So you're saying you're a legend in your own mind.

You parrot right from the RIU newbie play book.

pk_boosted2 said:

Canna is a deutsch based nutrient company been in business for over 30 yesrs

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Wrong again. It's been in the biz and still ripping off jerks like you for 14 years.

I was there when these cheese dicks started hawking their shit so don't try to feed me some crap about "over 30 years".

UB

I just defoliated my dong. It's huge now!

if you're having auxin distribution problems i feel bad for you son,

i've got 99 plant count but not a defoliated 1.