giving defoliation during flower a try

pk_boosted2

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Yeah man like i said before if you know anything about original chem dog #4 and strawberry diesel phenos they come from hermie. So when they become over ripe they produce little banana flowers and its almost impossible not to have a seed here and there because of its genetics. Anyone familiar w these cuts or grows from a seed as seen in the pic will find this is a common characteristic of these strains.

Yeah i see it now I didnt even notice it when I took the pic. Obviously im not trying to hide anything just happens to be thats proly the one piece that got the seed in it. Almost every original chem and diesel pheno especially this breed of strawberry from my boy came from hermies because he breeds and sells feminized seeds.

Thats probably a great seed and def. feminized ready to go and im sure someone would love to get that in their bag, that would be a pleasant surprise. Some of best strains Ive had actually were 1 off seeds I got from dispensary buds in Cali including Pineapple Fields and some Purple OG #18. It happens and is quite common, its not literred and polinated w seed like you were trying to say, brah.
 
Cannasutraorganics

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Can we all stop saying and typing "bra, brah, or anything near" it looks and sounds so low class. True ghetto. I have no family, which I have 42 first cousins, or friends that would use it in anything other then a joke. And I know some of you here used as sarcasm. But that encourages the idiots. Just a pet leave of mine.
Reminds me of the joke from 35 years ago.
 
Cannasutraorganics

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pk_boosted2 said:
Yeah man like i said before if you know anything about original chem dog #4 and strawberry diesel phenos they come from hermie. So when they become over ripe they produce little banana flowers and its almost impossible not to have a seed here and there because of its genetics. Anyone familiar w these cuts or grows from a seed as seen in the pic will find this is a common characteristic of these strains.

Yeah i see it now I didnt even notice it when I took the pic. Obviously im not trying to hide anything just happens to be thats proly the one piece that got the seed in it. Almost every original chem and diesel pheno especially this breed of strawberry from my boy came from hermies because he breeds and sells feminized seeds.

Thats probably a great seed and def. feminized ready to go and im sure someone would love to get that in their bag, that would be a pleasant surprise. Some of best strains Ive had actually were 1 off seeds I got from dispensary buds in Cali including Pineapple Fields and some Purple OG #18. It happens and is quite common, its not literred and polinated w seed like you were trying to say, brah.
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That's why many won't run those pheno or strain. And the guys your explaining this too like land races for this very fact.
 
chuck estevez

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Cannasutraorganics said:
Can we all stop saying and typing "bra, brah, or anything near" it looks and sounds so low class. True ghetto. I have no family, which I have 42 first cousins, or friends that would use it in anything other then a joke. And I know some of you here used as sarcasm. But that encourages the idiots. Just a pet leave of mine.
Reminds me of the joke from 35 years ago.
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no problem,fool
 
ayr0n

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All 3 of my chemdogs threw out nanners so I can't say shit :oops:



Not an original chem, autoseeds chemdog auto (fem). Smelled damn good, but threw out a nice combination of staminate and pistillate flowers n ended up in my trash can.
 
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unwine99

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ayr0n said:
All 3 of my chemdogs threw out nanners so I can't say shit :oops:
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It's crazy..........I've grown out a lot of strains and I've only had one throw nanners and yet I see people talking about nanners everyday on RIU. I don't know, I just must be lucky in that area I guess. Oh and Btw.......coincidentally, the 1 strain that hermed on me, it was from one of the few instances that I didnt use feminized seeds -- 'twas was a reg. seed.
 
ayr0n

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unwine99 said:
It's crazy..........I've grown out a lot of strains and I've only had one throw nanners and yet I see people talking about nanners everyday on RIU. I don't know, I just must be lucky in that area I guess. Oh and Btw.......coincidentally, the 1 strain that hermed on me, it was from one of the few instances that I didnt use feminized seeds -- 'twas was a reg. seed.
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Yeah I'm almost positive it's a genetic fault. I tried to reach out to autoseeds just to let em know but they kinda brushed it off. Had a handful of other strains in the same conditions with no issues, but all 3 of those chemdog beans did that...Either certain strains are more susceptible to stress n the stress causes it, or they just are predisposed to throw out staminate flowers or I just have terrible luck...not sure lol... after it happened I started looking into it a little further and apparently a lot of ppl have had issues with chemdog strains n crosses deriving from it throwing out balls
 
unwine99

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ayr0n said:
Yeah I'm almost positive it's a genetic fault.
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I think you're right. The Grandaddy purple that I had always started its bullshit at week 5 -- like clockwork. I just picked off the balls but I know it was never stressed -- it was lucky enough to have entered my garden after I got a little experience under my belt. If that whole "stressed feminized plants go hermie" thing was really that prevalent, I'd have a stash full of mutant zombie hermaphrodites right now.
 
Cannasutraorganics

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unwine99 said:
I think you're right. The Grandaddy purple that I had always started its bullshit at week 5 -- like clockwork. I just picked off the balls but I know it was never stressed -- it was lucky enough to have entered my garden after I got a little experience under my belt. If that whole "stressed feminized plants go hermie" thing was really that prevalent, I'd have a stash full of mutant zombie hermaphrodites right now.
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No shit. I'm a good grower but tend to be lazy. I know I stress mine often. Sometimes on purpose, and I don't get hermies very often. Usually when I've stacked stress on them without a chance to recover. And I've tried to stress to get hermies on plants to get self pollinated seeds. And not get a hermie.. I don't use the spray. I have before. And I don't run strains I've seen others get hermies on. I don't run strains that are prone to mildew because I know I don't keep my humidity right all the time. With all the great strains I don't know why people want to add to their own stress with a strain that does that often.
 
Cannasutraorganics

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ayr0n said:
Yeah I'm almost positive it's a genetic fault. I tried to reach out to autoseeds just to let em know but they kinda brushed it off. Had a handful of other strains in the same conditions with no issues, but all 3 of those chemdog beans did that...Either certain strains are more susceptible to stress n the stress causes it, or they just are predisposed to throw out staminate flowers or I just have terrible luck...not sure lol... after it happened I started looking into it a little further and apparently a lot of ppl have had issues with chemdog strains n crosses deriving from it throwing out balls
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You sound like a hermiaphobe.............
 
pk_boosted2

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Bananas arent just caused by stress. Those bananas are also a sign of a flower maturing. Often times they dont do anything but if youre running a true pheno developed from a hermie plant for feminized seeds like the strawberry and chem phenos we have they all do it. So a seed here and there is quite common.

More often that not though they are real hermies not hermies caused by stress whichs re 2 very different things!! Real hermies will not polinate any other plant except for the one that produced the banana itself. While stress related hermies which were caused by environment will polinate your whole fuckin room (which is the bad type of hermie, not the one that caused the seed you see in my flower picture).

Anyways understanding the diff between hermies is very important. A true hermaphrodite isnt a big issue, just means it came from a variety developed for feminized seeds or cuts whichever you got. Thats why running regular seeds un-sexed are often better overall for both quality and yield purposes. We been running these cuts for about 5 years now there kinda at end of their life cycle because I been noticing more and more from my buddies that everyone getting few more bananas and seeds than usual, think its time to switch things up. Its an awesome pheno and I love it but like anything else its only good for so long. Maybe time to cross it with something and develop some new seeds.

With that said my boys almost done with his blueberry chem dog!! Its gonna be on the market soon from a couple seed banks Ill give info soon as he lets me know whose gonna purchase the lot, its gonna be limited edition pheno too and after this batch from what he tells me is gonna be clone only. I can vouch this shit is absolute fire too! Its original Blueberry Haze X Chem Dog #4
 
pk_boosted2

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Cannasutraorganics said:
That's why many won't run those pheno or strain. And the guys your explaining this too like land races for this very fact.
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Well you also need to know that many original land race strains are hermies. Because they are truly wild strains. I know many of the original Thai and India land race strains is almost impossible to find a true feminized seed so more likely than not youre gonna get seeds because many if not all of them are hermies by nature.

But did you see the picture Ub posted of the "land race" drying? Ive seen plenty of original land races including the Oaxaca or however u spell it, which is considered by many to be the best land race strain out there. And it was super huge fat buds, very good strain tasting not very potent but very pleasant. And ive seen a few others in NOR CAL and it aint never look like that shit he posted, idk wtf that was. Land Race or not it shouldnt come out looking like clumped up seaweed hanging upside down lol. When flowers are grown properly they are still gonna be in somewhat type compact clusters not stringy and airy like that shit that was posted.

Also, the thing about land race strains is that when you take a true land race strain away from its natural origin and habitat it is no longer a true land race strain. Most of them came from Asia and Hindu Mountains, through Inda and Turkey to southern Asia. Then once taken from the places people started crossing them creating new phenos which take a long time to get its true genetics back before they adapt if they ever do. Many land race strains once removed from their natural enivornment are impossible to come out as they originally did in their natural environment. Especially some of the panama and columbian phenos i believe are impossible to duplicate once removed from the soils and climate they were grown in for centuries. I know that these land race strains are very, very rare nowadays to even find or get your hands on. I believe Arjan and his partner i forget his name are some of the only people who got some of the real ones which are super exclusive.
 
Sativied

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"Landrace seaweed"

Got to give you credit for that one, that's creative.:clap:

But then you went on and mentioned Arjan in a post about land races... oh boy... I will leave it to others to satisfy your masochism, I kind of feel bad for you after Chuck burned you so hard.
 
unwine99

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pk_boosted2 said:
Its an awesome pheno and I love it but like anything else its only good for so long.
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I don't know man. I've had a cut of ak47 for nearly a decade and I've noticed no loss of quality or vigor. My tolerance if anything, has gone up and ak still kicks ass. I call her my Thai curler because of the way her leaves curl up like eagle talons; she doesn't yield much but she will be around for as long as I can keep her alive.
 
Deusracing

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unwine99 said:
Hey, that's a hell of a good place to start and it looks like you're off and running. I know heat can wreak havoc but as far as too much light, and I'm speaking from my experience only, the only time Ive seen properly watered plants susceptible to too much light is with unrooted and/or immature clones. I've seen plants grow right up and touch the glass of 1000 watt fixtures that were properly vented with no problems. I know guys that pop seedlings under 1000 watts no biggie and likewise I see outdoor plants thrive in full sun when they're watered properly. Idk, I'm sure such a thing exists, I just haven't been witness to it.



Nice setup man -- dig the veggies too.
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Thanks. Just got done setting up first 1000w grow sprayed the damn mites n we're good to go
 
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PK, now I truly feel bad for you, for years I have been telling new growers not to listen to hydro/grow store owners or employees and you my friend just put in print ALL the reasons why

good hermies, bad hermies, lmao are you kidding me seriously ? And then you want us to go out and buy your boy's hermified goodness after showing us how truly clueless you are?

And your knowledge of landraces is just as clueless, I have several and I'm just a hobby breeder. Then you say Oaxaca not potent, are you aware that some of the very best out there was built with an Oaxaca land race ,,,

Some of the most famous cannabis breeders of the 1960s and 1970s, including the Haze Brothers and Neville, used the Oaxaca Sativa for some of their creations. To this day, the genes of the Oaxaca Sativa live on in famous strains like Neville's Haze, Super Silver Haze, Mexican Haze. The Oaxaca Sativa was at the base of the creation of pure Haze, the most famous sativa hybrid ever, in turn at the origin of hundreds of famous crosses available today.
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You really should be posting in the noob section, with your "knowledge" you are dangerous
 
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