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jeffchr

jeffchr

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Climate change is an obvious reality IMO. I don't understand why anyone would deny it. There is enough valid evidence in support of climate change.

Individual scientists probably hide or skew data for personal gain, but that doesn't invalidate the facts.
 
abe23

abe23

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This is basically like saying that because there are corrupt cops, prosecutors and judges, crime is a myth and we should do away with the idea of justice altogether...

I always ask this question when these threads pop up, but never get a straight answer. Why do you guys have such a hard-on for pollution? Are any of you coal miners? Industrialists? Energy tycoons? What's wrong with encouraging clean, renewable energy... global warming or not? And do you really think that we can do what we're doing indefinitely without jeopardizing the planet's resources? And the same people who bury their head in the sand about the environment are the very ones constantly bitching about the national debt and how we are passing it on to future generations when the debt we leave them by fucking up the planet can never be repaid. That's the reality, global warming or not.
 
beardo

beardo

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abe23 said:
This is basically like saying that because there are corrupt cops, prosecutors and judges, crime is a myth and we should do away with the idea of justice altogether...

I always ask this question when these threads pop up, but never get a straight answer. Why do you guys have such a hard-on for pollution? Are any of you coal miners? Industrialists? Energy tycoons? What's wrong with encouraging clean, renewable energy... global warming or not? And do you really think that we can do what we're doing indefinitely without jeopardizing the planet's resources? And the same people who bury their head in the sand about the environment are the very ones constantly bitching about the national debt and how we are passing it on to future generations when the debt we leave them by fucking up the planet can never be repaid. That's the reality, global warming or not.
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i dont know about everyone else but my 2 problems are !- carbon tax...carbon tax is a horrible to enslave and impovrish the people. 2- putting restrictions on polution restricts growth and development as well as compitition. if china builds 100 coal plants and runs them as efficently as possible..while we struggle to pass regulations to build 1 and because of restrictions on emmissions it only works half as effeciantly how can we compete....i do hope we can elimanate polution but regulations arent the way to make it happen
 
buttery420

buttery420

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I think in the current economy it's going to be a matter of consumer demand so reduction's will and are beginning to happen because consumers recognize the issue and refuse to buy certain products. All negotiations have turned to shit because developing nations, who have contributed little in terms of emissions over the past century and currently per-capita will and should not be forced to halt development, and thus quality of life for the populace.
The carbon tax is an absolute joke, put simply it turns pollution into a commodity to be traded on the stock market. So it's pretty much business as usual for the multinationals who can outsource pollution from other states whilst any costs incurred are passed down to you and me.
Primarily we should be focused on decreasing the impact on human civilization, preparing to adapt to an adjusting climate, all debate's about whether or not it's anthropogenic put aside, the effects can already be seen and I think it's a matter of protecting and assisting vulnerable areas in the short-term and building stronger infrastructure in the long-term.
I also think a de-centralized government would see the sort of emissions reductions we need right now.
 
beardo

beardo

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buttery420 said:
I think in the current economy it's going to be a matter of consumer demand so reduction's will and are beginning to happen because consumers recognize the issue and refuse to buy certain products. All negotiations have turned to shit because developing nations, who have contributed little in terms of emissions over the past century and currently per-capita will and should not be forced to halt development, and thus quality of life for the populace.
The carbon tax is an absolute joke, put simply it turns pollution into a commodity to be traded on the stock market. So it's pretty much business as usual for the multinationals who can outsource pollution from other states whilst any costs incurred are passed down to you and me.
Primarily we should be focused on decreasing the impact on human civilization, preparing to adapt to an adjusting climate, all debate's about whether or not it's anthropogenic put aside, the effects can already be seen and I think it's a matter of protecting and assisting vulnerable areas in the short-term and building stronger infrastructure in the long-term.
I also think a de-centralized government would see the sort of emissions reductions we need right now.
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nice you said it better than i could. it comes down to us if you want to save the planet dont buy things that hurt it. dont drive walk. use natural fertiliser grow your own food dont buy plastic...how much do you care? the government cant save the enviornment ...they can make our lives worse but only the people and the choices they make can have a real impact
 
doc111

doc111

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jeffchr said:
Climate change is an obvious reality IMO. I don't understand why anyone would deny it. There is enough valid evidence in support of climate change.

Individual scientists probably hide or skew data for personal gain, but that doesn't invalidate the facts.
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Climate always has and always will change. Does this mean we are the cause? I don't see how it can be proven that humans are the cause of climate change. One large volcanic eruption spews out more carbon than all of humanity since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Perhaps they are the cause. :leaf:
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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The earth's climate is always in a natural cycle of change. And now the Progressives want to tax it. Go figure.
 
buttery420

buttery420

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Climate always has and always will change. Does this mean we are the cause? I don't see how it can be proven that humans are the cause of climate change. One large volcanic eruption spews out more carbon than all of humanity since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Perhaps they are the cause. :leaf:
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Once again with all arguments aside as to whether or not climate change is anthropogenic or not, are you not concerned about the level of pollution we're breathing in? Acid rain? The increasing instances of toxic river systems etc. Is it not in our best interests to attempt to decrease this impact? Not do destroy eco-systems humanity depends on to survive.
And if climate change isn't anthropogenic, if it's caused by something else those scientists just can't put there finger on...so what? It's still occurring, so why not prepare to adapt to a changing climate?
 
doc111

doc111

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buttery420 said:
Once again with all arguments aside as to whether or not climate change is anthropogenic or not, are you not concerned about the level of pollution we're breathing in? Acid rain? The increasing instances of toxic river systems etc. Is it not in our best interests to attempt to decrease this impact? Not do destroy eco-systems humanity depends on to survive.
And if climate change isn't anthropogenic, if it's caused by something else those scientists just can't put there finger on...so what? It's still occurring, so why not prepare to adapt to a changing climate?
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So I suppose you think taxing Carbon dioxide is the answer to the problem. :roll: I have many posts regarding this same issue. I am all for clean, sustainable energy but I don't like being lied to and bullied into it. If climate change isn't being caused by humans that is an important consideration when we look at how to adopt cleaner energy. If cap and trade is the solution to our climate change problem then I guess I don't really understand the true nature of the problem. :dunce:
 
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