Generational clones

Chief Keef

Chief Keef

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Retired from the Air Force a couple of years ago and am now really getting into the home growing with the help of a very experienced mentor. One thing he tells me that I can't wrap my head around is that you don't plant the seed for final product. He says take clones from that seedling and THOSE are your mothers. Clones taken from them are now your crop. I'm hard-pressed to find this info any where else. Is he punking me?
 
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Grow Monster

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Chief Keef said:
you don't plant the seed for final product. He says take clones from that seedling and THOSE are your mothers.
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He's talking about large commercial growing. They don't chance getting bad pheno types from seed which is fancy plant talk for a ugly duckling with bad traits. They find gd ones and clone those. For small home grows starting at seed is ideal. I like to clone every plant and improve on that plants grow from what I learned while growing the mother. Clones also save u a bunch of money and time. Hence why those in the market do it. One plant can make u hundreds. U can keep a mother plant forever and just keep taking branches from her as needed. Great way to keep a strain u like going til u get tired of it. Plus no worry of males which can waste time and money.
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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Chief Keef said:
Retired from the Air Force a couple of years ago and am now really getting into the home growing with the help of a very experienced mentor. One thing he tells me that I can't wrap my head around is that you don't plant the seed for final product. He says take clones from that seedling and THOSE are your mothers. Clones taken from them are now your crop. I'm hard-pressed to find this info any where else. Is he punking me?
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Welcome and thanks for your service. He's not punking you. Clones are just consistent. And if you find a winner it's nice to be able to keep grothat exact same plant.
 
Star Dog

Star Dog

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Chief Keef said:
Retired from the Air Force a couple of years ago and am now really getting into the home growing with the help of a very experienced mentor. One thing he tells me that I can't wrap my head around is that you don't plant the seed for final product. He says take clones from that seedling and THOSE are your mothers. Clones taken from them are now your crop. I'm hard-pressed to find this info any where else. Is he punking me?
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Are you saying that your friend is telling you not to flower the seed plants instead to clone them?
That's how i read it, i can't see what difference it would make its the same plant regardless which one you keep/flower.

Loads of seeds are just shite, if you mean working from clones that makes sense for the above reason.
 
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PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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Star Dog said:
Are you saying that your friend is telling you not to flower the seed plants instead to clone them?
That's how i read it, i can't see what difference it would make its the same plant regardless which one you keep/flower.
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No 2 plants from seed are identical.

Even the true Star Dawg is a clone only strain. :bigjoint:
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Star Dog

Star Dog

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PadawanWarrior said:
No 2 plants from seed are identical.

Even the true Star Dawg is a clone only strain. :bigjoint:
en.seedfinder.eu

Star Dawg (Greenpoint Seeds) :: Cannabis Strain Info

Fathered by the beloved and famous Stardawg, created by TopDawg Seeds....
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Yes that's i what I mean by working from clones makes sense because loads of seeds are shite as they're not the same.

It reads to me like he's differentiating between flowering the seed or the clone from it, in which case it would matter it's going to be what it is.
 
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Grow Monster

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I would never buy a clone. Thats just me. Idc what exotic strain u get, it comes down to your skills at growing. Then u gotta trust that it is what its suppose to be and hope it had no pest or disease. I’ll take my chances with seeds and clone all the winning keeper strains myself.
 
Chief Keef

Chief Keef

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Star Dog said:
Are you saying that your friend is telling you not to flower the seed plants instead to clone them?
That's how i read it, i can't see what difference it would make its the same plant regardless which one you keep/flower.

Loads of seeds are just shite, if you mean working from clones that makes sense for the above reason.
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Yeah that's the jist of it. He seems to think it has something to do with node spacing, but he's the only one I've heard it from. Thank you for the reply!
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No 2 plants are identical.
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Chief Keef said:
Retired from the Air Force a couple of years ago and am now really getting into the home growing with the help of a very experienced mentor. One thing he tells me that I can't wrap my head around is that you don't plant the seed for final product. He says take clones from that seedling and THOSE are your mothers. Clones taken from them are now your crop. I'm hard-pressed to find this info any where else. Is he punking me?
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Thank you all for the input. I believe this forum is going to be a huge help in my "retu
 
Star Dog

Star Dog

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Chief Keef said:
Yeah that's the jist of it. He seems to think it has something to do with node spacing, but he's the only one I've heard it from. Thank you for the reply!


Thank you all for the input. I believe this forum is going to be a huge help in my "retu
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Ah right, when a plant is maturing the nodes start alternating instead growing in pairs.

Maybe he knows something, it would be interesting to know what his thinking is.

I normally flower the original and keep a clone for a potential mother if it's decent.
 
Chief Keef

Chief Keef

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Grow Monster said:
He's talking about large commercial growing. They don't chance getting bad pheno types from seed which is fancy plant talk for a ugly duckling with bad traits. They find gd ones and clone those. For small home grows starting at seed is ideal. I like to clone every plant and improve on that plants grow from what I learned while growing the mother. Clones also save u a bunch of money and time. Hence why those in the market do it. One plant can make u hundreds. U can keep a mother plant forever and just keep taking branches from her as needed. Great way to keep a strain u like going til u get tired of it. Plus no worry of males which can waste time and money.
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Thank you so much!
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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I personally start a few crops near the end of the year from seed, pickout 2-3 winners and grow them for the whole next year from clone. Rinse & Repeat, some cuts I have right now I have had since 2019 and just keep cloning. As others have said you will get consistency with cuttings versus growing seeds. Seeds are like sperms each one is different and will produce different unpredictable results. I just lost a 14-18 ounces plant to it being a hermie from seed. All the other seeds were unaffected fortunately.

I RECOMMEND doing your own seeds then noting down what plants you liked growing most and which turned out best and then keep growing the ones that won. It's VERY RISKY taking clones from other gardens as you can contaminate your grow space with any pests/diseases they had!!

I broke the golden rule a couple years ago and took a "clean clone" that fucked me!! I had to battle Powdery Mildew for a few months before finally bleaching 360 ° fucking every square centimeter of the room and equipment before finally not seeing powdery mildew anymore.
 
Chief Keef

Chief Keef

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Star Dog said:
Ah right, when a plant is maturing the nodes start alternating instead growing in pairs.

Maybe he knows something, it would be interesting to know what his thinking is.

I normally flower the original and keep a clone for a potential mother if it's decent.
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This makes a fuck-ton of sense. Thank you!
 
Chief Keef

Chief Keef

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calvin.m16 said:
I personally start a few crops near the end of the year from seed, pickout 2-3 winners and grow them for the whole next year from clone. Rinse & Repeat, some cuts I have right now I have had since 2019 and just keep cloning. As others have said you will get consistency with cuttings versus growing seeds. Seeds are like sperms each one is different and will produce different unpredictable results. I just lost a 14-18 ounces plant to it being a hermie from seed. All the other seeds were unaffected fortunately.

I RECOMMEND doing your own seeds then noting down what plants you liked growing most and which turned out best and then keep growing the ones that won. It's VERY RISKY taking clones from other gardens as you can contaminate your grow space with any pests/diseases they had!!
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Awesome advice. Seriously, thank you!
 
Chief Keef

Chief Keef

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calvin.m16 said:
I personally start a few crops near the end of the year from seed, pickout 2-3 winners and grow them for the whole next year from clone. Rinse & Repeat, some cuts I have right now I have had since 2019 and just keep cloning. As others have said you will get consistency with cuttings versus growing seeds. Seeds are like sperms each one is different and will produce different unpredictable results. I just lost a 14-18 ounces plant to it being a hermie from seed. All the other seeds were unaffected fortunately.

I RECOMMEND doing your own seeds then noting down what plants you liked growing most and which turned out best and then keep growing the ones that won. It's VERY RISKY taking clones from other gardens as you can contaminate your grow space with any pests/diseases they had!!

I broke the golden rule a couple years ago and took a "clean clone" that fucked me!! I had to battle Powdery Mildew for a few months before finally bleaching 360 ° fucking every square centimeter of the room and equipment before finally not seeing powdery mildew anymore.
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Thank you so much. I hear horror stories about mildew and spider mites and fungus and it makes my stomach hurt. Sorry bout your misfortune and the work you had to put in to fix it :(
 
xtsho

xtsho

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That may be how your friend grows but it's not a requirement in any way.

If you want to grow the same strains over and over then you can grow from clones. Growing from clones usually takes more space as you'll need to keep mothers and make clones from those plants. Some do it different ways though. Some keep dedicated mothers and cut clones from the same plant for a length of time. Others grow a plant to the size they want to flower it at and then cut clones that they will continue to veg and flower the plant. They continue that process over and over always taking clones before they flower the plant.

I used to grow the same strains from clones. I grow from seed only these days. I like to grow different strains every grow. And with seeds you can have thousands and thousands of future plants stored in a small container.
 
Chief Keef

Chief Keef

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xtsho said:
That may be how your friend grows but it's not a requirement in any way.

If you want to grow the same strains over and over then you can grow from clones. Growing from clones usually takes more space as you'll need to keep mothers and make clones from those plants. Some do it different ways though. Some keep dedicated mothers and cut clones from the same plant for a length of time. Others grow a plant to the size they want to flower it at and then cut clones that they will continue to veg and flower the plant. They continue that process over and over always taking clones before they flower the plant.

I used to grow the same strains from clones. I grow from seed only these days. I like to grow different strains every grow. And with seeds you can have thousands and thousands of future plants stored in a small container.
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Awesome. Thank you so much!
 
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