Gelato and Gold Leaf week 8 nutrient and harvest

Thundercat

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Cboat38 said:
Anyways thundercat do dabble with clones?
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I run a perpetual SOG with clones. When everything is in proper order I typically have about 40-45 clones flowering at a time on 4 different cycles(so I get roughly 12 harvests of 10-12 plants per year). Been growing this way for about 10 years now. Its not a perfect system, but it works ok for a hobby grow. I've never been able to expand more and take things bigger though, some day. I've got strains currently I've been growing for 5 years from clones.
 
Fragasm

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Well, I decided to take some of this advice into serious consideration.

I fed some nutes last night and I'm planning on at least another week or two until harvest. Depending on trichome color, of course.
 
Thundercat

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Fragasm said:
Well, I decided to take some of this advice into serious consideration.

I fed some nutes last night and I'm planning on at least another week or two until harvest. Depending on trichome color, of course.
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Have you and I talked about flower maturations fragasm? I don't want to repeat myself if I have explained this stuff to you already. Trichomes are the LAST thing to look at for determining harvest, and you don't want to ever base your harvest on just one variable. There are atleast 3 that should ALWAYS be considered as you begin to understand plant biology.
 
Fragasm

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Thundercat said:
Have you and I talked about flower maturations fragasm? I don't want to repeat myself if I have explained this stuff to you already. Trichomes are the LAST thing to look at for determining harvest, and you don't want to ever base your harvest on just one variable. There are atleast 3 that should ALWAYS be considered as you begin to understand plant biology.
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Can you tell me more?
 
Nizza

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I am making a thread now in the harvesting section. Please chime in there thundercat and fragasm come check out my plants and what he says. I think two are ready, I am uploading pics right now w/ microscope pics
 
Thundercat

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Fragasm said:
Can you tell me more?
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Yep for sure.

So I've grown quite a few different strains, and hundreds of plants in the last 13 years I"ve been growing. After doing so I've found that MOST cannabis plants follow a very typical maturation process. Every so often you get a weird plant that doesn't fall in line, but its not very often from my experience.

First let me say breeder times are a loose suggestion based the breeders specific garden, which means your garden and plants will be different then theirs.

As the plant grows it will go through cycles of buds getting bigger, and then slowing and getting denser. Eventually the buds will stop getting bigger outwards, and the stigma will turn colors and actually shrink up most of the time. This is the sign that the plant is in the final stages of growth. It is no longer trying to produce new buds at this point, but it will still pack on weight by swelling internally.

Usually this takes 1-3 weeks AFTER the stigma have receeded. You will notice that the bracts will each actually swell up some, and look plump. That is the signal the plant is just about ripe, and that is when I would suggest looking at the trichomes.

When you do check trichomes make sure you look at the whole plant, and look at the buds only, not the leaves.

If you watch for these signs, the plant will tell you when it is really ready. I think there is way to much emphasis put on looking at trichomes, especially because until you know exactly what you are looking for it is really hard to differentiate.

All that being said I havn't looked at trichomes in years. I've found that if I watch for the stigma to receed completely and the buds to properly swell, then the trichomes are pretty much always right on.

Looking at all 3 metrics will give you the best picture of the harvest window.
 
Cboat38

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A186AF26-B216-4C05-AD04-7E6D01B7B658.jpeg Hey thundercat this one has been growing fast it’s a Death Star clone I wanna keep cutting clones from. Any advice on training or topping if needed
 
Fragasm

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Thundercat said:
Yep for sure.

So I've grown quite a few different strains, and hundreds of plants in the last 13 years I"ve been growing. After doing so I've found that MOST cannabis plants follow a very typical maturation process. Every so often you get a weird plant that doesn't fall in line, but its not very often from my experience.

First let me say breeder times are a loose suggestion based the breeders specific garden, which means your garden and plants will be different then theirs.

As the plant grows it will go through cycles of buds getting bigger, and then slowing and getting denser. Eventually the buds will stop getting bigger outwards, and the stigma will turn colors and actually shrink up most of the time. This is the sign that the plant is in the final stages of growth. It is no longer trying to produce new buds at this point, but it will still pack on weight by swelling internally.

Usually this takes 1-3 weeks AFTER the stigma have receeded. You will notice that the bracts will each actually swell up some, and look plump. That is the signal the plant is just about ripe, and that is when I would suggest looking at the trichomes.

When you do check trichomes make sure you look at the whole plant, and look at the buds only, not the leaves.

If you watch for these signs, the plant will tell you when it is really ready. I think there is way to much emphasis put on looking at trichomes, especially because until you know exactly what you are looking for it is really hard to differentiate.

All that being said I havn't looked at trichomes in years. I've found that if I watch for the stigma to receed completely and the buds to properly swell, then the trichomes are pretty much always right on.

Looking at all 3 metrics will give you the best picture of the harvest window.
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Thanks, buddy!
 
Thundercat

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Cboat38 said:
View attachment 4352416 Hey thundercat this one has been growing fast it’s a Death Star clone I wanna keep cutting clones from. Any advice on training or topping if needed
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Top it when its tall enough to use the first top as a clone. Then LST the side branches so it grows out instead of up. That will give you a nice small mother plant. As it grows out, cut clones off and prune as needed to keep it the size and shape you want ;).
 
Fragasm

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Thundercat said:
Yep for sure.

So I've grown quite a few different strains, and hundreds of plants in the last 13 years I"ve been growing. After doing so I've found that MOST cannabis plants follow a very typical maturation process. Every so often you get a weird plant that doesn't fall in line, but its not very often from my experience.

First let me say breeder times are a loose suggestion based the breeders specific garden, which means your garden and plants will be different then theirs.

As the plant grows it will go through cycles of buds getting bigger, and then slowing and getting denser. Eventually the buds will stop getting bigger outwards, and the stigma will turn colors and actually shrink up most of the time. This is the sign that the plant is in the final stages of growth. It is no longer trying to produce new buds at this point, but it will still pack on weight by swelling internally.

Usually this takes 1-3 weeks AFTER the stigma have receeded. You will notice that the bracts will each actually swell up some, and look plump. That is the signal the plant is just about ripe, and that is when I would suggest looking at the trichomes.

When you do check trichomes make sure you look at the whole plant, and look at the buds only, not the leaves.

If you watch for these signs, the plant will tell you when it is really ready. I think there is way to much emphasis put on looking at trichomes, especially because until you know exactly what you are looking for it is really hard to differentiate.

All that being said I havn't looked at trichomes in years. I've found that if I watch for the stigma to receed completely and the buds to properly swell, then the trichomes are pretty much always right on.

Looking at all 3 metrics will give you the best picture of the harvest window.
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That's a lot to take in. I'll have to spend some more time researching these terms.

I have three plants going right now. Two Gelatos and a Gold Leaf. The Gold Leaf is looking to be the winner as far as yield goes right now. One of the Gelatos is looking very healthy but the buds seem smaller.

The second Gelato is much smaller and underdeveloped, I'm not sure what is going on with it or where I went wrong with it. The leaves are dark green and there's only two main Colas.

I'd have to look back in my journal but I think I topped it, and maybe I didn't top it properly. Main thing though is that it's much smaller. The two main cola buds look decent, though, just not nearly as big as the other.

I will try and get some pictures up in the next couple of days if I can find the time.
 
Thundercat

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Different genetics really can grow very differently, and sometimes plants are just runts. Or you may have messed something up lol. Either way you are getting lots of good experience.

If you have any questions on terminology I used or what I said feel free to ask :).
 
Fragasm

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Thundercat said:
Different genetics really can grow very differently, and sometimes plants are just runts. Or you may have messed something up lol. Either way you are getting lots of good experience.

If you have any questions on terminology I used or what I said feel free to ask :).
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Stigma and bract.

Stigma is like the inner structure of the flower?

Bract, are those the sugary leaves coming off the flowers themselves?

Also, thanks a lot for your time and patience.
 
Thundercat

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Fragasm said:
Stigma and bract.

Stigma is like the inner structure of the flower?

Bract, are those the sugary leaves coming off the flowers themselves?

Also, thanks a lot for your time and patience.
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No problem at all sir! I figured those might have been the terms. I only found out about them about 6 months ago.

So according to botany "stigma" is the proper term for what people usually call a "pistil". The hairs coming from the buds.

"Bract" is the proper term for what is mistakenly called a "calyx". Once I learned this and verified the research I started trying to use the correct terms whenever possible.
 
Fragasm

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Thundercat said:
No problem at all sir! I figured those might have been the terms. I only found out about them about 6 months ago.

So according to botany "stigma" is the proper term for what people usually call a "pistil". The hairs coming from the buds.

"Bract" is the proper term for what is mistakenly called a "calyx". Once I learned this and verified the research I started trying to use the correct terms whenever possible.
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My stigmas, or hairs, are still light color and haven't seen any noticeable change.
 
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