Gay wedding cakes and the bigots who won't bake them.

kpmarine said:

Let's not forget that businesses that actively discriminate against homosexuals would quickly go out of businesses. Just ask the owner of chic-fil-a how much his business has suffered.

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But who has the owner of Chic-fil-a actually harmed with his actions? I myself don't agree, but he's free to have an opinion. It's different if he burned a cross in your yard, or whatever. Just like your telling me you kill chickens doesn't phase me. Are you going to get a restraining order against me for calling you a murderer?

BigNBushy said:

...I'm ok with someone not doing the job because they don't like gays, but my point is there is nothing in Christianity that allows you to more harshly judge homosexuals than any other sinner...

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I feel like most of the issue would be moot if christians as a whole actually acted on all sins equally. The problem is that it's used as a way to justify bigotry against one very particular sin. When a business only refuses services to homosexuals and not folks getting remarried after a divorce; it reeks of hypocrisy instead of religious principles.

Canna Sylvan said:

But who has the owner of Chic-fil-a actually harmed with his actions?

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the point was that once people found out that the owner donated money to groups who lobbied against condemning uganda's "kill the gays" bill, they flocked to him to show their support.

and for the record, his money did go to groups who sent activists to uganda to help them craft, implement, and defend their murderous law.

[video=youtube;V10frgsoB54]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V10frgsoB54[/video]

Canna Sylvan said:

But who has the owner of Chic-fil-a actually harmed with his actions? I myself don't agree, but he's free to have an opinion. It's different if he burned a cross in your yard, or whatever. Just like your telling me you kill chickens doesn't phase me. Are you going to get a restraining order against me for calling you a murderer?

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That company has put money into funding many groups that are anti-gay marriage. http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201111010001

UncleBuck said:

no one has a right to cause harm to others.

i can't care about that which does not exist.

how much do you care about ostrich milk?

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Hurting someone's precious feelings isn't harm, it just means you're a crybaby loser.

Canna Sylvan said:

But who has the owner of Chic-fil-a actually harmed with his actions? I myself don't agree, but he's free to have an opinion. It's different if he burned a cross in your yard, or whatever. Just like your telling me you kill chickens doesn't phase me. Are you going to get a restraining order against me for calling you a murderer?

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The company didn't do it directly, but they provided cash to help Ugandans buy gas to burn crosses in their lawns.

kpmarine said:

That company has put money into funding many groups that are anti-gay marriage. http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201111010001

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What does that matter? I like it when people stick up for what they believe. Much better than a country like China where it's illegal to even talk about wanting to talk about the stuff we do here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if I think that person is an asshole for said opinion.

Canna Sylvan said:

Hurting someone's precious feelings isn't harm, it just means you're a crybaby loser.

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harm is that which causes loss or pain.

when it is legally protected for people to deny you service based on your sexual orientation, you lose options and have a lesser set of goods and service to choose from.

but hey, there's that bigotry of yours that i referred to earlier tonight.

Canna Sylvan said:

What does that matter? I like it when people stick up for what they believe. Much better than a country like China where it's illegal to even talk about wanting to talk about the stuff we do here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if I think that person is an asshole for said opinion.

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So it's not causing harm when they fund people who encourage sentiments that encourage gay bashing and inferiority of homosexuals? You seem confused about the definition of "harm".

kpmarine said:

I feel like most of the issue would be moot if christians as a whole actually acted on all sins equally. The problem is that it's used as a way to justify bigotry against one very particular sin. When a business only refuses services to homosexuals and not folks getting remarried after a divorce; it reeks of hypocrisy instead of religious principles.

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Here is the rub. The writing is on the wall, gay marriage is in and within a few years this issue will be in front of the supreme court and more than likely marriage equality will be the law of the land.

This is the very first barrage of the new front in the anti-gay rights war. Since they know they cannot stop marriage, they are trying to use religious freedoms as an excuse for their bigotry.

Would anyone think it wrong of the government forcing a baptist minister to perform the wedding of a homosexual couple? Doubtful, I think his rights will be protected. Many preachers where I am from will not do a wedding if either has a previous marriage where their ex is still living.

I doubt the baker seeking the right to refuse service of homosexual weddings also refuses to bake cakes for a second marriage.

I got no problem with gays, I got no problems with folks that got problems with gays.

Using Christianity to justify refusing service to gay people is the same as using Islam to justify suicide bombings. Though not as dramatic, it is a perversion, and one for which I will not stand.

Yes, homosexuality is a sin. But so what? We're all sinners. If you want to open a business and only serve non-sinners, more power to you, but you will not have many clients.

kpmarine said:

So it's not causing harm when they fund people who encourage sentiments that encourage gay bashing and inferiority of homosexuals? You seem confused about the definition of "harm".

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I think you're the one confused.

This is harm:

[video=youtube;NIb9jPd6B58]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIb9jPd6B58[/video]

This isn't harm:

[video=youtube;kMvfEdTUO6Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMvfEdTUO6Q[/video]

kpmarine said:

Let's not forget that businesses that actively discriminate against homosexuals would quickly go out of businesses. Just ask the owner of chic-fil-a how much his business has suffered.

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Do you just make stuff up as you go along 1. Chic-Fil-A never discriminated the owner simply
stated he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. 2. the business boomed big time
after the controversy making record profits not only because Christians hugely outnumber gays but because Americans in general thought that people should be entitled to there opinion without being punished by intolerant assholes. 3. Chic-Fil-A employs gays

Sales soared following the controversy. Sales increased "12 percent, to $4.6 billion, in 2012. The good fortune follows several years of impressive expansion and strong sales, which have pushed the privately held company's valuation north of $4.5 billion, making billionaires out of its founders.-liberal rag: Huffington Post

greentrip said:

Do you just make stuff up as you go along 1. chic-n fillet never discriminated the owner simply
believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. 2. the business boomed big time
after the controversy making record profits not only because Christians hugely outnumber gays but because Americans in general thought that people should be entitled to there opinion without being punished by intolerant assholes.

Sales soared following the controversy. Sales increased "12 percent, to $4.6 billion, in 2012. The good fortune follows several years of impressive expansion and strong sales, which have pushed the privately held company's valuation north of $4.5 billion, making billionaires out of its founders.-liberal rag: Huffington Post

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Just because you didn't actively kick gays out of your establishment does not make the actions of the owner any less discriminatory.

UncleBuck said:

you can be born gay, but you can't be born as a drug addicted conservative fatass (hey, that describes you too!)

so wanting to be treated equally to others is now intolerance?

you idiots just don't stop pumping out the goodies.

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You don't believe you can be born gay, that is your problem with me in this issue, that I think people are born gay. You consider it a choice, which is offensive to most gays.

I'm not conservative, why do you think I am? I most often go off about pro gay rights, advocating a maximum wage, support single payer health care... Yeah, I'm a big conservative #rollseyes

They want to be treated equal, and that isn't intolerant. They demand that EVERYONE give their lifestyle moral equivalence. That is intolerant, demanding others change how they think.

BigNBushy said:

You don't believe you can be born gay, that is your problem with me in this issue, that I think people are born gay. You consider it a choice, which is offensive to most gays.

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you'll notice i chose my words very carefully.

i said "you can be born gay", which also leaves the option of choosing to be gay.

like it or not, some people do choose to be gay. it's a small percentage, but it exists.

and whether you choose to be gay or are born that way, you should not be denied the same rights and protections.

wanting to be treated equally is not intolerant in any way, despite your whiny pussy protestations.

kpmarine said:

Just because you didn't actively kick gays out of your establishment does not make the actions of the owner any less discriminatory.

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Try going to an ethnic center where those of a certain ethnicity tend to own all the businesses, which exist for all ethnicities. If you try to become a tourist there, often times you're ignored and called all sorts of no very nice things. But no one gives a fuck about that, now do they?

greentrip said:

the owner simply stated he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.

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that, and he donated money to causes that lead to the murder and abuse of gays.

kpmarine said:

Just because you didn't actively kick gays out of your establishment does not make the actions of the owner any less discriminatory.

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Actually you seem to think everyone must share your leftist views. How Anti American.

Most Americans disagree with you, and that's why the Chic-Fil-A business received such a boost.

greentrip said:

Actually you seem to think everyone must share your leftist views. How Anti American.

Most Americans disagree with you, and that's why the Chic-Fil-A business received such a boost.

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goddamn you are stupid.

kp's point was not that everyone must share his view, it is that people flocked to chic-fil-A after they heard about the owner's donations to groups that lobbied against condemning a bill that called for gays to be killed, which flies in the face of conservative claims that people would boycott such hateful establishments.

not only did you miss the point entirely, you reinforced his point by pointing out how well chic-fil-A did after their anti-gay practices were made public.

you are really, really stupid, thetoolwoman.