Gay Marriage - An Academic Take

Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Uh.....our founding fathers were NOT Christians.Look it up.
Green Cross said:
So you rewrote US constitution, and the Bible in only 7 pages? I think that's a new record. :o

1. A "Secular" government does not exclude the existence of a God, or US law based on morals taken strait from the Bible. It only prevents the US Government from establishing a state religion.

2. As for your Scriptural (Bible) inaccuracies, they can also be easily refuted, if anyone is willing to research the subject.
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So what?The bible also condones misogyny, slavery,and rape.It's not a religion of love.It's a religion of exclusion, control,lies, and corruption.If your god hated homosexuals so much, why did he even allow them to exist?Marriage means nothing...it's just how they figure out how to divide the assets if you get divorced.It doesn't magically make you faithful if you've no inclination to do so,it doesn't make you a better parent,a more wholesome person.It just grants certain legal privileges in certain states.Personally,I think marriage is an archaic institution that people cling to because it's a status symbol among religious types.There should be no argument about this because gay people are people, too,and should automatically have the same rights any other Americans enjoy...including the right to indulge in a superstitious ceremony that doesn't have anything to do with the depth of their love for one another.:peace:
Green Cross said:
At the risk of throwing my pearls (of wisdom - all of which comes from God - because mans wisdom is foolishness) before swine (Biblical speaking)

"What Does the Bible Really Say About Homosexuality?
Genesis 2:18-25 says, "And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him." Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." Therefore, a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

Also on the fifth day according to Genesis 1, God's plan for His creation was to "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." Leviticus 18 is written concerning sexual immorality including homosexuality and sleeping with one's relatives. Verse 22 says, " You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." This verse speaks about homosexuality.

This is not just Old Testament. It is also of the New Testament, or the Covenant of Grace, which we are under. Romans 1:26 says "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise, also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."

Homosexuality, not homosexuals, is an abomination to God. God wants us to procreate, and homosexuals cannot procreate. The natural use does not mean that homosexuals are unnatural, but what they are doing is not a part of God's plans. These verses are not inspired by an anti-gay Deity, but by a loving, caring, God who only wants the best for us. These verses certainly are not about in any way, nor implying homophobia or violence against gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. No one is born gay, it is chosen. That is why it is called an "alternative lifestyle", which entails a choice. It is not like being born of a certain race or being male or female. It is not genetic.

Yes, God did create a helper for man, a woman. If this sounds homophobic to you, then you are mistaken. It is not. I understand that homosexuals suffer and are treated badly, and Jesus loves you and understands your pain. Christianity is a religion of love, but it is also a religion about justice and judgement. All of us will stand before God one day and will have to answer for everything we have done in this life. Homosexuality is an abomination to God. It is a sin and the wages of sin is death."[SIZE=-1]
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