Gavita lights

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sgrowdum

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So I've been out of the loop for the last 6 years and these Gavita lights keep coming up in conversation between some experienced growers I know. Anyone care to shed some light on them? I am setting up a bare bulb vertical grow and I was considering 3 (600)'s or two (1000) HPS in my coliseum. I have also been seeing a lot of these dual filament bulbs with HPS and MH.

It's probably note worthy that I have quite a few 600 watt ballasts lying around some are purple digital (I think) and some are the old school big ass white ones (hydro farm.) I also have an old school (white finned hydro farm I think) 1000 lying around.

growing vertical obviously means I am trying to maximize yield and wattage so the best lighting is important to me. In the same token I would like to use what I already have and where I am growing it is very difficult and expensive to get equipment so longevity might need to be considered.

Also I'm not interested in running LED lights. It would not work for my style growing.
 
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doz

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If you arent interested in LED, then go with a DE. If you feel equipment is expensive, why make this thread? Gavitas run about $400 a piece USD just use your own equipment.
 
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a mongo frog

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sgrowdum said:
So I've been out of the loop for the last 6 years and these Gavita lights keep coming up in conversation between some experienced growers I know. Anyone care to shed some light on them? I am setting up a bare bulb vertical grow and I was considering 3 (600)'s or two (1000) HPS in my coliseum. I have also been seeing a lot of these dual filament bulbs with HPS and MH.

It's probably note worthy that I have quite a few 600 watt ballasts lying around some are purple digital (I think) and some are the old school big ass white ones (hydro farm.) I also have an old school (white finned hydro farm I think) 1000 lying around.

growing vertical obviously means I am trying to maximize yield and wattage so the best lighting is important to me. In the same token I would like to use what I already have and where I am growing it is very difficult and expensive to get equipment so longevity might need to be considered.

Also I'm not interested in running LED lights. It would not work for my style growing.
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Just go LED, go with the cobs. It will save a lot BS around the forums. HPS sucks, it only does a couple pounds a light. Cob led doesn't suck and it also does a couple pounds a light. One cost 400 bucks the other cost 1400 bucks maybe less ok 1000 bucks. HPS won't get you laid, but cob led will get you laid. Look at some of the threads on the site. This should be a good topic of discussion though. Good luck in your research!!!!!
 
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a mongo frog said:
Just go LED, go with the cobs. It will save a lot BS around the forums. HPS sucks, it only does a couple pounds a light. Cob led doesn't suck and it also does a couple pounds a light. One cost 400 bucks the other cost 1400 bucks maybe less ok 1000 bucks. HPS won't get you laid, but cob led will get you laid. Look at some of the threads on the site. This should be a good topic of discussion though. Good luck in your research!!!!!
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Another troll post from the trolling group. Why even post up? Oh yeah, thats the job of your little group. Troll every thread possible and create 420mag.
 
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sgrowdum

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doz said:
If you arent interested in LED, then go with a DE. If you feel equipment is expensive, why make this thread? Gavitas run about $400 a piece USD just use your own equipment.
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Curious how you read that as I won't buy it if it's expensive. I'm not complaining about the price of anything. I said where I am it is expensive to get equipment so my selection needs to be cognesent of that. Also what is DE? And I won't run LED becuase I've never seen a grow I was impressed with running LED lights. They always had to be supplemented with something else and it looked
Like more trouble than it was worth.
 
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doz

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sgrowdum said:
Curious how you read that as I won't buy it if it's expensive. I'm not complaining about the price of anything. I said where I am it is expensive to get equipment so my selection needs to be cognesent of that. Also what is DE? And I won't run LED becuase I've never seen a grow I was impressed with running LED lights. They always had to be supplemented with something else and it looked
Like more trouble than it was worth.
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I mean if you are set on Gavita's, price does not matter? Gavita is pretty much top end of the DE HPS setups as far as complete setups go.

That said, if you have all the equipment for SE HPS, I wouldnt think the 10% is enough to warrant the cost. Jumping into LED which can have higher efficiency would be more reasonable but you do not want them so I would run what you have personally.
 
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sgrowdum

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doz said:
I mean if you are set on Gavita's, price does not matter? Gavita is pretty much top end of the DE HPS setups as far as complete setups go.

That said, if you have all the equipment for SE HPS, I wouldnt think the 10% is enough to warrant the cost. Jumping into LED which can have higher efficiency would be more reasonable but you do not want them so I would run what you have personally.
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I'm not set on them it's just that I keep hearing people talking about them so I figure I'd see what it was all about. Honestly yield is more of a concern than efficiencies. That's one of the reasons I'm staying away from LED's. Also it would be very difficult to include them into a vertical grow. What about a dual filament bulb? Any experience there?
 
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sgrowdum said:
Any input on dual filament?
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No im not familiar with it.i am a firm believer in multi spectrum lamps so if those duals can be run vertical like you want i would say give it a shot.that or just runa hps and mh stacked system. I know there are some 315w lec that can be ran vert also maybe 2 or 3 of those stacked in a few dif colors would be nice in a tighter coliseum style setup
 
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doz

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sgrowdum said:
I'm not set on them it's just that I keep hearing people talking about them so I figure I'd see what it was all about. Honestly yield is more of a concern than efficiencies. That's one of the reasons I'm staying away from LED's. Also it would be very difficult to include them into a vertical grow. What about a dual filament bulb? Any experience there?
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What are your current yields? Everyone yields differently. Everyone grows differently. If you grow a low yielding strain, there is no light that can magically double that. What are your expectations of the upcoming grow for yields (strain, veg, lighting, sq footage used)?
 
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doz

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
my room didn't grow, so My footprint is the same. the same number of plants Only my yields greatly increased. A buddy uses 4 DE in a 11x11 area and effing up, still got 2 lbs per light with Super lemon Haze
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What light are you growing with (grew with)? 4oz is not much. If you are pushing even a 250w DE and only achieving 4oz, something is wrong....
 
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a mongo frog

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doz said:
What light are you growing with (grew with)? 4oz is not much. If you are pushing even a 250w DE and only achieving 4oz, something is wrong....
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Are you taking into account his veg time? For instance I threw 15 og's in 3 gallon pots with 19 days of veg under a DE in a 4x6 foot print. If i got 4 zips a plant which I'm almost positive i will not, it would be a super massive yield. But there is no way I'm going to do 3.7 pounds.
 
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sgrowdum

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8' octagon 75-80 plants looking for an oz a piece. So hoping to knock on 5lbs with 3 600's stacked or a few 1000's

Old setup was around 35 plants stack between two rows and I pulled down a little over 3lbs. Grow was sloppy and I was just learning vertical. HPS lights for flower and a garbage strain.

I'm aware that strain is important and there isn't a magical solution to the problem. However as I begin this next go around I'd like to be up to speed on lighting especially if these new lights are so much greater than standard HPS. Really sucks you can run the lights vertically.. Is there another DE light that can?
 
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doz

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a mongo frog said:
Are you taking into account his veg time? For instance I threw 15 og's in 3 gallon pots with 19 days of veg under a DE in a 4x6 foot print. If i got 4 zips a plant which I'm almost positive i will not, it would be a super massive yield. But there is no way I'm going to do 3.7 pounds.
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Wow, you must be a super yielder with DE to even think about 60oz. Even if you pull 3oz per plant, that is pretty incredible and pretty much unbelievable (literally). You are talking about 1260g @ 3oz per plant. Regardless, even if you yielded 50g per plant @ that veg time, that would be a pretty good successful grow IMO and very respectable. Either way, 4oz from a DE is a waste IMO. I believe the smallest DE bulb you can get is 400w correct?

But as long as he is happy with his product it does not matter. I guess my point was in reference to his statement of SE vs DE. I could yield more than 4oz from a SE 250w HPS even with a short veg time......


@sgrowdum Any reason you are not considering vertical with LED? There are a few guys with documented grows around here who are doing successful grows with LED. Have not kept up with all of them but maybe you should check them out. LED is far better than SE HPS. If you are looking for 3lbs, you can do that with 1000w of COBS (super easy with higher yielding strains, well over 3lbs with strains).
 
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a mongo frog

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doz said:
Wow, you must be a super yielder with DE to even think about 60oz. Even if you pull 3oz per plant, that is pretty incredible and pretty much unbelievable (literally). You are talking about 1260g @ 3oz per plant. Regardless, even if you yielded 50g per plant @ that veg time, that would be a pretty good successful grow IMO and very respectable. Either way, 4oz from a DE is a waste IMO. I believe the smallest DE bulb you can get is 400w correct?

But as long as he is happy with his product it does not matter. I guess my point was in reference to his statement of SE vs DE. I could yield more than 4oz from a SE 250w HPS even with a short veg time......
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Its only my second run under DE currently. I run that fire og cut. 1st grow was 2.25 pounds. Almost 5 week veg 10 gallon pots and 6 plants. 4x6 foot print. This run i wanted to do a short veg 15 plants.
 
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sgrowdum

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My goal is 5lbs and I haven't seen a vertical LED grow. I'd be interested to see if it could be incorporated into my design. Also is the reason DE can't be run vertical becuase of the reflector design or is becuase the bulb can't actually be ran vertically?
 
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