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Mad Hamish

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GG 3 is turning into a frosty sob. Expecting this biotch to be damn near white by the time I chop it down if things keep going at this rate. Compared to GG 1 it has significantly smaller flowers, probably 1/3rd the size right now, but it's in a smaller pot and just a smaller plant in general. Having a hard time capturing how it really looks under the HPS even after adjusting em:
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GG 1 was looking a little rough this morning. Having a hard time keeping this big thirsty girl from drying out. Almost seems like she needs a bigger pot, but I can't imagine how big she would have gotten in a larger pot. Crazy thing is a good portion of my mix is Sphagnum peat moss which retains water good :X

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Just tied all her colas down again - Poked holes with my trimming scissors in the rim of the plastic runoff tray n have been tying her to those with my girls sewing thread lol. Not too much bend left in those stems, but after watering it seemed a little more pliable.. Thinking she's just about done growing taller.
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GG 1 is finally throwing out fat pom poms everywhere. Little slower to get started on flowering than GG 3, but it's gonna yield a helluva lot more if I can keep the thing in decent shape ...Noticed GG 1 has trichs covering all the stems, but hardly any on it's fans / sugar leaves so far. Haven't seen that before.
Are you using mycos? Does look like she can be easily maxing out that pot, mycos or trichoderma really help in dry conditions by increasing root surface area exponensially via fungal hyphae. Very cool new product in testing in the USA, seed treatment using fungi from arid areas, increases tolerance to heat and drought by over 85 percent, that can buy a day or two depending on pot size. Stuff is called BioEnsure.
 

TonightYou

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I swear by silica. As long as you don't let the plants get droopy, they can easily withstand high temperatures than those not treated.

Had Temps in the upper 90's with no harm, only if they became dry was damage done.
 

Dr.D81

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I swear by silica. As long as you don't let the plants get droopy, they can easily withstand high temperatures than those not treated.

Had Temps in the upper 90's with no harm, only if they became dry was damage done.
And salt build up, and pest, and mold
 

TonightYou

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And salt build up, and pest, and mold
Eh, no worries on salt build up since I dumped bottled nutes, never had mold on flowering plants (only on fucking up a cure, sadness as nothing is worse than having to throw away a finished product), and only had pests 2 years ago, have no idea where I got broad mites.

I record my temps (highs and lows), seems silica makes a difference with regards to dealing with high temperatures. Just an observation I've found, as temperatures which would seem to screw with my plants previously didn't compared to when I'd use silica. I hate running my AC just to cool my garden down in the summer if I was/am comfortable.
 

ayr0n

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Are you using mycos? Does look like she can be easily maxing out that pot, mycos or trichoderma really help in dry conditions by increasing root surface area exponensially via fungal hyphae. Very cool new product in testing in the USA, seed treatment using fungi from arid areas, increases tolerance to heat and drought by over 85 percent, that can buy a day or two depending on pot size. Stuff is called BioEnsure.
hey mh, i did try to innoculate the soil a little further late in veg. shes been mostly getting straight water besides a couple teas so far. mycorrhizeas symbiotic relationship with roots as an extension of the root zone is some fascinating shit. gonna take a look at that product, sounds interesting. i think you're right about the pot being nearly maxed out - not sure if i should try to transplant this late in the game or not

I swear by silica. As long as you don't let the plants get droopy, they can easily withstand high temperatures than those not treated.

Had Temps in the upper 90's with no harm, only if they became dry was damage done.
ive definitely noticed a change using a potassium sillicate vs not. i split tested 2 autos on my first grow n the one that had gotten sillica seemed to fair better when temps got too high, and overall looked much healthier for the entire grow. i dont think its real great for microbial life, so on the photos ive only been adding it early in veg to make sure the microbial activity n the soil is flourishing again come flower time
 
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madininagyal

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hey mh, i did try to innoculate the soil a little further late in veg. shes been mostly getting straight water besides a couple teas so far. mycorrhizeas symbiotic relationship with roots as an extension of the root zone is some fascinating shit. gonna take a look at that product, sounds interesting. i think you're right about the pot being nearly maxed out - not sure if i should try to transplant this late in the game or not


ive definitely noticed a change using a potassium sillicate vs not. i split tested 2 autos on my first grow n the one that had gotten sillica seemed to fair better when temps got too high, and overall looked much healthier for the entire grow. i dont think its real great for microbial life, so on the photos ive only been adding it early in veg to make sure the microbial activity n the soil is flourishing again come flower time
When im in soil silicate dobt really change nothing for me but when im in hydro I can't do a good grow without it my ladies are stronger , internode closer and they are resistant to any kind of disease notnto mention how they are resistant to temps or bugs really helpful without it i havent been able to have a grow without problem
 

purplelicious

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Amino Treatment by House and Garden has all the silica you need and it is way easier to deal with, I don't have to add it to water before anything else and it doesn't spike my ph and it has a lot of aminos and other good stuff. here is the description.


AMINO TREATMENT:
“A top secret blend that will astonish even the most experienced gardener.” House & Garden Amino Treatment (0.1-0-0.6) is a revolutionary new product containing high quality silica and amino acids that encourages root development, vegetative growth and fruit and flower production.

Amino acids help increase chlorophyll concentration in the plant, leading to a higher degree of photosynthesis. This makes crops lush and green, increasing plant vigor and overall yields.

DIRECTIONS FOR USE:

Mix 0.8 to 3.8 ml per gallon (0.2 – 1 ml per liter) and add to the feed water from the second week of the vegetative stage all the way until three weeks before harvest.

Ingredients: Ammonium nitrate, nitric acid and potassium hydroxide.
 

TonightYou

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Plants make all the amino acids they need. I have a giant container of silica blast (I believe that's the name) that will last me many years to come. I think I got it off Amazon for $15 with prime shipping. A little goes a long way and I usually treat when I'm not fertilizing a couple times in veg and a couple times in flower.
 

Yodaweed

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My daybreakers are starting to grow nicely , very slow out the gate but catching up with my other plants, hoping for a good chemdawg pheno and a good OG pheno.
 

ayr0n

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When im in soil silicate dobt really change nothing for me but when im in hydro I can't do a good grow without it my ladies are stronger , internode closer and they are resistant to any kind of disease notnto mention how they are resistant to temps or bugs really helpful without it i havent been able to have a grow without problem
hmm makes me wonder if my soil is lacking a bit if you dont see a change with added silica in soil and i could visually see the difference in the split test almost night n day ... i thought silica was really abundant in most dirt, just not readily available without some work from microbes. Ima use a completely different mix next round so i might as well try the test again. Curious to see if the difference is as dramatic n the new mix or if there will be one at all...cooking it a lot longer this time n starting from scratch instead of using a premixed organic soil as the base
 

Yodaweed

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hmm makes me wonder if my soil is lacking a bit if you dont see a change with added silica in soil and i could visually see the difference in the split test almost night n day ... i thought silica was really abundant in most dirt, just not readily available without some work from microbes. Ima use a completely different mix next round so i might as well try the test again. Curious to see if the difference is as dramatic n the new mix or if there will be one at all...cooking it a lot longer this time n starting from scratch instead of using a premixed organic soil as the base
I use a silicate for my coco-coir, rhino skin by advanced nutrients, works great.
 

ayr0n

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I use a silicate for my coco-coir, rhino skin by advanced nutrients, works great.
is Rhino skin fairly comparable to silica blast and protekt ? AN kinda puts a bad taste n my mouth so Im rocking SB, but Im guessing theyre all pretty close to the same thing
 

purplelicious

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Plants make all the amino acids they need. I have a giant container of silica blast (I believe that's the name) that will last me many years to come. I think I got it off Amazon for $15 with prime shipping. A little goes a long way and I usually treat when I'm not fertilizing a couple times in veg and a couple times in flower.
I hate plain liquid silica of any brand. mix in in with some aminos and bam the stuff is like miracle grow. You can have your opinion but I have my facts,proof in the pudding. I also highly doubt "plants make all the aminos they need" at all times.
 

TonightYou

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I hate plain liquid silica of any brand. mix in in with some aminos and bam the stuff is like miracle grow. You can have your opinion but I have my facts,proof in the pudding. I also highly doubt "plants make all the aminos they need" at all times.
Facts please then because all you did was stated was an observation, which isn't a fact. Plus mine bounce back just the same when applied.

Learn the difference between facts and opinions.
 

Yodaweed

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IMG_1658.JPG They are growing! My daybreakers are the 4 on the left, the two on the right are Critical Super Silver Haze (top right) and Headband Haze (bottom right). The two on the right are my first water only grow in quite a while as my other plants are in a coco-coir / perlite mix , fed with advanced nutrients+GH calimagic. Lighting is a 600w Hortilux Super Blue Metal Halide Light with a Quantum digital dimmable ballast, running at 75% power. Suggestions and advice is appreciated, thank you.
 

purplelicious

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Facts please then because all you did was stated was an observation, which isn't a fact. Plus mine bounce back just the same when applied.

Learn the difference between facts and opinions.
ok i will try to be nice. here is your factual information. it is in laymen terms and on youtube so you can easily digest this valuable information. I had already known this from all my years of research by actually growing and I have been growing for over 20 years second generation. I am done here. link this and learn or piss off (
) most nutrients have all the aminos in different products. I like my aminos seperate. So if you want aminos and no silica use this fuego yo. I love floralicious plus from GH as well. take your pick but don't listen to hear say try it for yourself. I have been wanting to check out some of this shit http://www.growerssecret.com/products/ this site is cool and some research needs to be done on cannabis for this product http://www.adaptivesymbiotictechnologies.com/ or just use liquid silica and not your brain.
 
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purplelicious

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View attachment 3326544 They are growing! My daybreakers are the 4 on the left, the two on the right are Critical Super Silver Haze (top right) and Headband Haze (bottom right). The two on the right are my first water only grow in quite a while as my other plants are in a coco-coir / perlite mix , fed with advanced nutrients+GH calimagic. Lighting is a 600w Hortilux Super Blue Metal Halide Light with a Quantum digital dimmable ballast, running at 75% power. Suggestions and advice is appreciated, thank you.
If you buy sensi bloom it has a lot more cal mag in it so you dont need the calmagic as much if at all. if you try GH floralicious you will see that you can't go wrong with it in your nutrient lineup. Only 1ml/gal and it is super cheap and super concetrated.
 
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