Fuk Le Pen

UncleBuck

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a few years ago, if you had told me that france was 40% nazis, and that was the good news, i'd probably have moved to a remote idaho valley or something.
 

ttystikk

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Le Pen was not popular because of her anti-Semitism. She was popular because she advocated for the exit of France from the Eurozone.

About that part, at least, she may be right.

After all, one need only ask the Greeks how being a member of the EU is working out for them?
 

SneekyNinja

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Le Pen was not popular because of her anti-Semitism. She was popular because she advocated for the exit of France from the Eurozone.

About that part, at least, she may be right.

After all, one need only ask the Greeks how being a member of the EU is working out for them?
Many of "mes amis Francais" said it was simply due to cuck-like nationalism, they bought the "Make France Great Again" line. But in reality, without the EU France would be completely fucked.

The "Anti-EU sentiment" we read about over here isn't reflected on the ground over there (from what I've heard from my friends there anyway).

Europe's "march to the right" seems like a load of fake news bullshit given the outcomes in recent elections there, more like "march to the centre left".
 

ttystikk

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Many of "mes amis Francais" said it was simply due to cuck-like nationalism, they bought the "Make France Great Again" line. But in reality, without the EU France would be completely fucked.

The "Anti-EU sentiment" we read about over here isn't reflected on the ground over there (from what I've heard from my friends there anyway).

Europe's "march to the right" seems like a load of fake news bullshit given the outcomes in recent elections there, more like "march to the centre left".
Ask your friends living in Greece, Spain, Portugal and other countries that are unable to make adjustments to save their economies due to EU rules.

For a further discussion of this topic, I refer you to the thread I started, discussing the insights of economist Mark Blyth.
 

SneekyNinja

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Ask your friends living in Greece, Spain, Portugal and other countries that are unable to make adjustments to save their economies due to EU rules.

For a further discussion of this topic, I refer you to the thread I started, discussing the insights of economist Mark Blyth.
Admittedly it's more northern/central Europeans I know but you're missing the fact the countries need the EU more than it needs them. Theyre all tourist economies.

Also you keep mentioning Greece...

Prior to the crash Greece had lost their fucking minds, retirement age of 50, etc.

A "correction" was inevitable.
 

ttystikk

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Admittedly it's more northern/central Europeans I know but you're missing the fact the countries need the EU more than it needs them. Theyre all tourist economies.

Also you keep mentioning Greece...

Prior to the crash Greece had lost their fucking minds, retirement age of 50, etc.

A "correction" was inevitable.
It's looking less and less sustainable to more and more Europeans these days.

The only ones who are thrilled are big banks and their bond holders. That's not a winning model.

Too many European countries are drowning in debt but the rules of the EU prevent them from deficit spending or currency devaluation.

Austerity only works for bankers; everyone else just gets poorer and the economy never recovers. That's not a solution, it's a death spiral.
 
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SneekyNinja

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It's looking less and less sustainable to more and more Europeans these days.

The only ones who are thrilled are big banks and their bond holders. That's not a winning model.

Too many European countries are forming in debt but the rules of the EU print them from deficit spending or currency devaluation.

Austerity only works for bankers; everyone else just gets poorer and the economy never recovers. That's not a solution, it's a death spiral.
Countries that are part of the Euro are literally unable to devalue their currency, other non-Euro countries are free to devalue at will.

Austerity is necessary where deficit spending is expected to proceed in perpetuity, do you think living off loans and credit cards is sustainable?

Europe has net growth and overall seems to have maintained public services like health, welfare and education despite austerity programs.
 

Mr.Head

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I feel like I need some background, these mentions of Pie. She's always been cool as fuck to me. What did I miss?
 

ttystikk

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you're an idiot. france is a deeply anti-semitic country. they rounded up the jews there on their own. they did it for the nazis.

fuck you.
The Vichy French were not the whole country and many French hated them, even to the point of shooting many of them when the Nazis retreated.

You have a big mouth and don't know the limits of your knowledge.

And you're a bully and a boor.

After all, she lost resoundingly.
 
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ttystikk

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yep, those jewish bankers. got it.
Neoliberalism is the problem.

Austerity is BAD for common people. This is a basic principle of how the system works.

You're ignorant about plenty of things, a fact that your increasing shrillness of late has failed to conceal.

Try reading for a change;
"In Europe, poor people bore the brunt of draconian austerity policies while bank bailouts mainly benefited the moneyed. 122.3 million people, or 24.4 per cent of the population in the EU-28, are at risk of poverty. Between 2009 and 2013, the number of Europeans without enough money to heat their homes or cope with unforeseen expenses, i.e., living with “severe material deprivation,” rose by 7.5 million to 50 million people, while the continent is home to 342 billionaires!"

Here's the whole article;
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/05/growing-inequality-global-capitalism.html
 
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ttystikk

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yep, those jewish bankers. got it.
You keep your anti-Semitic smears to yourself.

The sure sign you're losing an argument is when you can't stop yourself from calling someone a hater.

Maybe you should calm down and have a good hard look in the mirror; you're becoming what you say you're fighting against.
 

UncleBuck

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The Vichy French were not the whole country and many French hated them, even to the point of shooting many of them when the Nazis retested.

You have a big mouth and don't know the limits of your knowledge.

And you're a bully and a boor.

After all, she lost resoundingly.
parisians were not vichy and they rounded up the paris jews.

but by all means, discount what a jew has to say to you about who hates the jews. maybe that will go as well for you as discounting what black people and women have to say when you are trying to win the democratic primary.
 
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