FU*K the Texas Board of Indoctrination

[RickWhite]

So very objective is Rick that he has just labeled the entire hip hop culture movement as 'crap music'. So very objective.

You might want to note that I came out of public schools with very different beliefs then the ones I have now. I was rah rah shish boom bah for manifest destiny and yay for America. It was only after learning what was not taught in public school, like the real story of Thanksgiving and the genocide of native peoples, that I started to get away from those previous beliefs.

And I don't label everything as racist, just statements that express racism. Like this gem:

If those animals want to bitch about how unfair everything is while looking to rob, steal, rape, murder and do every other despicable act known to man they can, they can sing into my fucking Glock.

Oh, I see, my willingness to defend myself against violent criminals and my referring to them as "animals" is "racist." How so?

Maybe, the truth is that labeling everyone racist, bigot, homophobe, etc. is just pretty much the extent of your ability to debate. And by the way, I never mentioned race. You assumed I was speaking of a particular race. Could it be you make this assumption because you are a racist? Think about it...

And what was the real story of Thanksgiving and the "genocide" of the Native people? Thanksgiving was pretty much what most people learned in school. Yes, there were horrible bloody wars in which many Indians were slaughtered, but that came later.

And by the way, just to disabuse you of some ignorance. There was no genocide of the Native Americans. The term Genocide is specific to the Holocaust and it means a deliberate effort to eradicate an entire race. "Genus" being a biological classification and "cide" meaning to kill.

Most of the Native Americans died from smallpox that the Europeans carried. Ah, but I suppose you heard the lie that we intentionally gave them blankets carrying the virus. You know where most of that came from? It was lies fabricated by Ward Churchill who was found to be a fraud and consequently fired from his teaching position. I too read his garbage in college. BTW, it was Bill O'reilly who exposed him as a fraud and got him fired.

Now, we did in fact slaughter large numbers of Indians, but that was the result of wars and in these wars, the Indians killed many Whites as well.

Unfortunately, the history of all humanity is marked by war, cruelty, killing and all sorts of barbarism. Look at the history of any country. Stalin killed somewhere on the order of 20 million people. China's Mao killed about 75 million, Pol Pot several million, Hitler about 12 million with industrial efficiency.

No country has done more to reduce suffering and to improve human rights around the world than the USA. If you had real professors in college instead of the "blame America" impostors that have hijacked our universities, you would know this.

The truth of the matter is, most kids like you are actually made dumber by attending college these days. You think you are learning the "real truth" but what you are really learning is made up, revisionist Left wing garbage.

 

[upnorth2505]

Well, the previous post was most insightfull. Some individuals lack of compassion for the human race is beyond belief.

I pray to god that these hideous racists/homophobes are NEVER allowed to do the true evil that is really in their hearts.

 

[TheDemocrat]

Oh, I see, my willingness to defend myself against violent criminals and my referring to them as "animals" is "racist." How so?

Maybe, the truth is that labeling everyone racist, bigot, homophobe, etc. is just pretty much the extent of your ability to debate. And by the way, I never mentioned race. You assumed I was speaking of a particular race. Could it be you make this assumption because you are a racist? Think about it...

And what was the real story of Thanksgiving and the "genocide" of the Native people? Thanksgiving was pretty much what most people learned in school. Yes, there were horrible bloody wars in which many Indians were slaughtered, but that came later.

And by the way, just to disabuse you of some ignorance. There was no genocide of the Native Americans. The term Genocide is specific to the Holocaust and it means a deliberate effort to eradicate an entire race. "Genus" being a biological classification and "cide" meaning to kill.

Most of the Native Americans died from smallpox that the Europeans carried. Ah, but I suppose you heard the lie that we intentionally gave them blankets carrying the virus. You know where most of that came from? It was lies fabricated by Ward Churchill who was found to be a fraud and consequently fired from his teaching position. I too read his garbage in college. BTW, it was Bill O'reilly who exposed him as a fraud and got him fired.

Now, we did in fact slaughter large numbers of Indians, but that was the result of wars and in these wars, the Indians killed many Whites as well.

Unfortunately, the history of all humanity is marked by war, cruelty, killing and all sorts of barbarism. Look at the history of any country. Stalin killed somewhere on the order of 20 million people. China's Mao killed about 75 million, Pol Pot several million, Hitler about 12 million with industrial efficiency.

No country has done more to reduce suffering and to improve human rights around the world than the USA. If you had real professors in college instead of the "blame America" impostors that have hijacked our universities, you would know this.

The truth of the matter is, most kids like you are actually made dumber by attending college these days. You think you are learning the "real truth" but what you are really learning is made up, revisionist Left wing garbage.

I seem to remember a bunch of native americans dying during government forced relocation.It was called the trail of tears, in case you have not heard of it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h1567.html

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I seem to remember a bunch of native americans dying during government forced relocation.It was called the trail of tears, in case you have not heard of it.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h1567.html

Oddly enough, the President who signed the Indian Removal Act into law and then implemented it was a Democrat from the state of Tennessee.

A Tennessee Democrat.

Spooky, huh?

 

[upnorth2505]

Oddly enough, the President who signed the Indian Removal Act into law and then implemented it was a Democrat from the state of Tennessee.

A Tennessee Democrat.

Spooky, huh?

Just goes to show that neither party can be excused for horrible injustices of the past.

 

[dukeofbaja]

Political labels are useless that far into the past. Jackson was an asshole and native americans will often still refuse change involving a $20 bill. So funny how we lock up non violent pot smokers but honor the biggest murderers on currency and stamps.

I will get at what Rick said later. Too stoned to correct/refute/rebut all that shit at the moment

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Political labels are useless that far into the past. Jackson was an asshole and native americans will often still refuse change involving a $20 bill. So funny how we lock up non violent pot smokers but honor the biggest murderers on currency and stamps.

I will get at what Rick said later. Too stoned to correct/refute/rebut all that shit at the moment

Not useless.

Modern Democrats owe a lot to Jackson. The term Jacksonian Democracy is used to explain how A.J. forced Americans to realize that the Constitution didn't just apply to wealthy, white, male landowners.

He made everyone understand it applied to crackers, too.

And eventually the principle was extended to everybody, including the Natives we fucked over.

 

[upnorth2505]

Somewhat off topic of the OP. But Native Americans are seeing something of a "payback" with their success with casinos, energy, industry, etc. Many of the hiring practices involve "indian preference".

I have experienced "discrimination" here. Should I be pissed off?

 

[dukeofbaja]

Well, maybe not completely useless. I was just getting at how the north used to vote republican and the south democratic, and now it is more or less reversed.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Somewhat off topic of the OP. But Native Americans are seeing something of a "payback" with their success with casinos, energy, industry, etc. Many of the hiring practices involve "indian preference".

I have experienced "discrimination" here. Should I be pissed off?

They call casinos the 'new buffalo.'

Historically they have a lot to be resentful about, but two wrongs don't make a right.

On the other hand, reservations are sovereign nations within our borders.

Why be pissed off? Would you really want to work in such an environment where you might encounter hostility from supervisors or colleagues?

 

[upnorth2505]

They call casinos the 'new buffalo.'

Historically they have a lot to be resentful about, but two wrongs don't make a right.

On the other hand, reservations are sovereign nations within our borders.

Why be pissed off? Would you really want to work in such an environment where you might encounter hostility from supervisors or colleagues?

Oddly enough, yes. I have known quite a few Native Americans. My neice is 1/4 ojibwe. There is some hostility, but all things considered it really is pretty minimal.

Yes, there is a hiring preference, but there is a good mix of whites in management, etc. My boyfriend works on the "Res" and I might be soon as well.

 

[ViRedd]

Oddly enough, yes. I have known quite a few Native Americans. My neice is 1/4 ojibwe. There is some hostility, but all things considered it really is pretty minimal.

Yes, there is a hiring preference, but there is a good mix of whites in management, etc. My boyfriend works on the "Res" and I might be soon as well.

Ojibwe? Uhhh ... translated, isn't that the Kenyan name for Obama?

 

[RickWhite]

It is funny how when it comes to people of native American decent, who are now ordinary Americans, racism and separatism is seen as a good thing. Evidently, this is because of what "our people" did to "their people" and how we stole "their land" which is odd since the Native Americans had no concept of land ownership before the white man came.

At any rate, because of what happened long before any of them were born between our ancestors and their ancestors, they supposedly are justified in practicing absolute racism and separatism and they are somehow entitled to reparations. To me, this makes no sense. It isn't as if they are living as they did 500 years ago - they live in trailers, drive pick up trucks and watch TV just like many other Americans - they aren't hunting fucking buffalo. All that reservation and separatism crap should be a thing of the past.

But to Liberals, it is OK for the downtrodden to be racist - it is only wrong when successful people do it.

 

[upnorth2505]

Ojibwe? Uhhh ... translated, isn't that the Kenyan name for Obama?

AKA Chippewa.

 

[upnorth2505]

It is funny how when it comes to people of native American decent, who are now ordinary Americans, racism and separatism is seen as a good thing. Evidently, this is because of what "our people" did to "their people" and how we stole "their land" which is odd since the Native Americans had no concept of land ownership before the white man came.

At any rate, because of what happened long before any of them were born between our ancestors and their ancestors, they supposedly are justified in practicing absolute racism and separatism and they are somehow entitled to reparations. To me, this makes no sense. It isn't as if they are living as they did 500 years ago - they live in trailers, drive pick up trucks and watch TV just like many other Americans - they aren't hunting fucking buffalo. All that reservation and separatism crap should be a thing of the past.

But to Liberals, it is OK for the downtrodden to be racist - it is only wrong when successful people do it.

First, I do not consider mayself to be a "liberal". And most, not all, natives do not consider racism and seperatism to be a good thing. Racism is always wrong.

Do I like the fact that there is preference for hiring on the Res? Of course not, but I sorta understand it. And yes, it is racism and should be done away with.

But keep in mind that these are little "nations" within a nation. As much as some folks despise this, it is an undeniable fact.

If you were in charge of a nation, a people, would you want to see a huge part of your investment and financial risk going down the tubes as "foreigners" take all the good jobs to be had? Especially, when these businesses were created to help lift a people from poverty?

So theroretically the "racism" (protecting your investment) is wrong. I think there are a few more decades before this will be worked out.

 

[PadawanBater]

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Go SIGN THE PETITION to counter these idiots!!

http://www.tfn.org/site/Survey?SURVEY_ID=2682&ACTION_REQUIRED=URI_ACTION_USER_REQUESTS

 

[RickWhite]

Hey padawan, instead of posting propaganda videos that are pieced together with comments taken out of their proper context, how about posting original source material.

It sounded to me like some of the suggestions were meant as a rebuttal of Left wing propaganda being proposed for these books. For instance, when he said how about country music instead of rap music." That sounds like a perfect response to someone who wants to include rap music as part of a history text - and it is a damn good point. Why not country music instead of rap music?

Christianity, like it or not was a major part of our Nation's history and founding. I do not advocate prayer in school, but it did play a significant role, so from a historical prospective it is appropriate.

Can you give examples of the exact wording that you find objectionable? Can you give examples of things the TBOE wants omitted? Do you have an actual transcript of the meeting, because the stuff you post sounds slanted and biased. The guy who compiled the videos even included his own personal attacks on the people speaking. Does that sound objective to you?

 

[meowmix]

They agreed to strike the word “democratic" in references to the form of U.S. government, opting instead to call it a “constitutional republic."


Whats wrong with being accurate?

 

[meowmix]

lol Man I wish we still had teachers like that.

Talking to youngsters in Colorado, I don't think they teach the constitution at every school anymore. Either that or these kids just dont remember it.

^^^ Damn right!!!

As the oldest fart in the forum, I can speak with authority about the education system in California's past. I had a sixth grade teacher who taught us all we needed to know about the Constitution. When he got to the Second Amendment, he said: "The Second Amendment was put into place so that We The People can protect our rights to life, liberty and property from enemies both foreign and domestic." He went on to explain that: "Domestic enemies can be robbers, muggers and thieves. Also, a domestic enemy can be someone from your government. Here's how it works, kids ... if ever someone from your government knocks on your door and says they are there to take your liberty away ... you shoot them!" Needless to say, it left a lasting impression on me.

I think I'd be perfectly comfortable in Texas.

PS: guitarabuser ... Were you alluding to the guy who shot up the McDonalds in San Diego? If so, a friend of mine's sister was killed there. Sad to say, my friend never recovered from her sisters death and she eventually killed herself to get away from the pain. After her sister was killed, and right up to her own death, she never left the house without packing heat. She carried a little snubbie .38 in her purse at all times.

 

[PadawanBater]

Hey padawan, instead of posting propaganda videos that are pieced together with comments taken out of their proper context, how about posting original source material.

K-5 Provisions

http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/teks/social/ELEM_TEKS_amended.pdf

6-8 Provisions

http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/teks/social/MS_TEKS_amended.pdf

History Studies Since 1877

http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/teks/social/HS_US_TEKS_amended.pdf

List of historical figures changed/added/deleted

http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/teks/social/Historical_Figures_color.pdf

Go through all that and tell me if it gets your seal of approval.

It sounded to me like some of the suggestions were meant as a rebuttal of Left wing propaganda being proposed for these books. For instance, when he said how about country music instead of rap music." That sounds like a perfect response to someone who wants to include rap music as part of a history text - and it is a damn good point. Why not country music instead of rap music?

...Why not both? Both genre's of music have influenced American culture in their own way, right?

Christianity, like it or not was a major part of our Nation's history and founding. I do not advocate prayer in school, but it did play a significant role, so from a historical prospective it is appropriate.

You're right, but removing lines like "separation of Church and State" from a child's education is a big problem. What happens of kids grow up not understanding that this is an essential part of American history, and is the very reason we live in the society we do today? The clip I posted earlier touches on exactly what would happen (and exactly what the TBOE wants to happen by passing such provisions).

Can you give examples of the exact wording that you find objectionable? Can you give examples of things the TBOE wants omitted? Do you have an actual transcript of the meeting, because the stuff you post sounds slanted and biased. The guy who compiled the videos even included his own personal attacks on the people speaking. Does that sound objective to you?

I'll go through the sources I posted if you'd like. I don't disagree with everything if that's the impression you're getting, just a few things here and there, and because there are national implications on students' education, that's why I'm making such a big deal about it.