free pot--

Cory and trevor

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Jack Herer-criminal
Jorge Cervantes-criminal
Ed Rosenthal-criminal
DJ Short-criminal
the list is endless and without them your patients wouldn't have anything. Stop trying to follow these laws until they are able to be followed and are the people's will. you're picking and choosing is my main point doctor. keep it medical man, stay out of the legal side.
 

Dr. Bob

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I get the SC ruling on Mcqueen-nice return deflection doc-care to weigh in on the fact that you're a federal criminal? You are aiding people in commiting federal crimes, no? You spend all day helping them to violate federal law, the right way (your way). You tell us all the right way to ignore the feds but when it comes to this one state SC ruling you're squeaky clean and have to follow it limiting access. We as a community do need you on our side but you need us too. You are as big a grey area as any state law about medical marihuana.
Actually that is a rather superficial argument. I'm protected under the 1st amendment for making recommendations and that has been upheld by the courts since the 80's. It has nothing whatsoever to do with handing out free cannabis to non-registry connected patients and asking for a raid.

Please stay on point and remember we are discussing the wisdom of an event like this right after McQueen. We are not getting into a debate about certifications or about me.

Dr. Bob
 

Dr. Bob

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This is another thing along that line. You wonder why there was a call for regulation in Lansing?

Dr. Bob
 

buckaroo bonzai

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Jack Herer-criminal
Jorge Cervantes-criminal
Ed Rosenthal-criminal
DJ Short-criminal
the list is endless and without them your patients wouldn't have anything. Stop trying to follow these laws until they are able to be followed and are the people's will. you're picking and choosing is my main point doctor. keep it medical man, stay out of the legal side.

....don't forget Eddy Lepp-- !! Free Eddy!!:leaf:



----Of the approximately 30,000 active doctors in Michigan, only about 1,900 have written a single medical marijuana certification....
When analyzed further a year ago, 55 doctors in Michigan wrote 70 percent of the certifications.......


55 docs wrote 70%? Let’s see, 70% of $51.6 million is $36,120,000 and let’s divide that by 55 docs. That’s $656,727.27 per doc!

I wonder what other kinds of care they provide to these patients?

......legal advice also-
 

Dr. Bob

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....don't forget Eddy Lepp-- !! Free Eddy!!:leaf:



----Of the approximately 30,000 active doctors in Michigan, only about 1,900 have written a single medical marijuana certification....
When analyzed further a year ago, 55 doctors in Michigan wrote 70 percent of the certifications.......


55 docs wrote 70%? Let’s see, 70% of $51.6 million is $36,120,000 and let’s divide that by 55 docs. That’s $656,727.27 per doc!

I wonder what other kinds of care they provide to these patients?

......legal advice also-
Curious of where you get your numbers. Especially 51.6 million Works out to be about 400 bucks a cert. I am here in Muskegon today doing them for $50 and my normal prices are 125-150. Assuming your numbers are even remotely in the ball park, based on top dollar certs you are looking at around 180,000 to 200,000 a buck, which is right in line with any other doctor.

So, what exactly is your point?

Do most docs drive over 6000 miles a month, or speak at groups, or lobby, or do expert testimony for free?

Tell you what, you complete the 25th grade at $2.00 an hour intern/resident wage, then you get to start repaying your loans. Then we can all say you are over paid.

Again, the issue is handing out marijuana right after the McQueen decision, not doctors, not me, not federal law. Stay on topic.

Dr. Bob
 

infinitalus

Active Member
Sorry guys, Im with Dr. Bob on this one.

If you want to do things 'right' then do it by way of law. Collectively we can change these laws. A slow process, sure. Unfortunately for us, the people we are surrounded by are proud to be ignorant and arrogant.. so the process will be even slower.

We are making headway though.

Remember to be active on your local and state levels, do your research on these politicians that would do nothing but ignore and step on the will of the people, and get them out of office.
 

stumpjumper

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At least this person has the balls to stand in the face of the opposition and be civilly disobedient while at the same time helping a good cause...

Anyone that looks down on this is a FUCKING DOUCHEBAG.
 

Bigtacofarmer

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Yup! They are all proud too! Jack was a cool dude, smoked some jack with jack during a friends wedding way back when. None of these people are ashamed of the plant! Why do you show shame doc?

Jack Herer-criminal
Jorge Cervantes-criminal
Ed Rosenthal-criminal
DJ Short-criminal
the list is endless and without them your patients wouldn't have anything. Stop trying to follow these laws until they are able to be followed and are the people's will. you're picking and choosing is my main point doctor. keep it medical man, stay out of the legal side.
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
At least this person has the balls to stand in the face of the opposition and be civilly disobedient while at the same time helping a good cause...

Anyone that looks down on this is a FUCKING DOUCHEBAG.
You are welcome to your opinion. I look at anyone that threatens the public support of the act with money driven publicity stunts the same way. Especially something as clearly illegal and in your face as this.

Dr. Bob
 

Bigtacofarmer

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Did you ever think if all the doctors, lawyers, and other suit and tie types showed the support for cannabis that they show for alcohol and prescription drugs that it would become immediately clear the laws are flawed! In fact I myself blame that group of people for making it shitty for the rest of us who can use responsibly and not give a fuck what some piece of shit says about it! Show a little balls for what you do or maybe pick a game you can show some pride in!
 

Dr. Bob

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I don't think anyone familiar with Michigan Medical Marijuana has any question I am a firm advocate and spend countless hours promoting the Act.

What is really amazing is that people (with quite a few exceptions elsewhere) don't see the problem in this sort of activity and what it does to the Act and public perception of the act. If you don't, then I really don't think I can explain it to you.

Perhaps if want to support the good part of this (the food drive) you can still bring the food, but if they try and hand you cannabis, 'sorry, you aren't my registry designated caregiver, I follow the law' would be appropriate. But as some have pointed out, the criminal behavior is not in the taking, it is in the giving, so I guess it won't affect anyone here that they go to jail.

Just pointed out the obvious, do what you wish.

Dr. Bob
 

buckaroo bonzai

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Curious of where you get your numbers........ So, what exactly is your point? Dr. Bob


saw this in the am on another forum-

looks like the numbers come from statistical data--


my point is that it's ok for some Dr to be all over the 'business' aspect and on every major news --

watch what you say in the media--

im not sure this article doesn't do the same thing your accusing someone else of---making the whole mmj program look bad

does look like you 'spam' this site with your rhetoric.....and locations/times of your clinic....jmo:shock:

alls fair in love and war..........and business


BY JASON SCHWARTZ | FEBRUARY 18, 2013 · 6:52 AM
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Michigan’s medical marijuana business

Crain’s Detroit has an article on the state’s medical marijuana business from the grow side to the physicians. The article says that there have been 344,000 patient applications in the state since 2009 and that doctors often charge around $150 to certify patients, that’s $51,600,000 in revenue for the docs. Here’s a little from the article about one of them:
“I discovered the medical benefits of marijuana in 2007 when I was doing suboxone therapy for narcotics addiction,” said Townsend, who holds a bachelor’s degree in biological sciences from Michigan State University and a medical degree from the Southeastern College of Osteopathic Medicine in North Miami Beach, Fla.
“I began to notice that as I was weaning people off of narcotic pain medications, those that were using marijuana illegally, and then with medical marijuana cards after 2008, weaned very, very well.”
After seeing thousands of patients over the past five years, Townsend has concluded that marijuana has a deserved place in a doctor’s black bag.
“I discovered that people were coming off using handfuls of Vicodin a month — high doses of Vicodin every day — strictly through the use of medical marijuana,” said Townsend, who termed himself one of the biggest advocates for it in the state — but never has used it.
“It’s very good for the treatment of Crohn’s disease, excellent for nausea, very useful for treatment of glaucoma and Parkinson’s disease,” he said. “I’ve seen it stop a seizure in front of me.”
Of the approximately 30,000 active doctors in Michigan, only about 1,900 have written a single medical marijuana certification, Townsend said. When analyzed further a year ago, 55 doctors in Michigan wrote 70 percent of the certifications, with Townsend being in that group.


55 docs wrote 70%? Let’s see, 70% of $51.6 million is $36,120,000 and let’s divide that by 55 docs. That’s $656,727.27 per doc!


I wonder what other kinds of care they provide to these patients?


and I said 'legal' advice--some of you

---that want us to all follow the rules that they try and pseudo enforce on the net.....
(isn't that 3ma site for that?)

...why...?.......to make themselves look like the 'expert' legal Dr...?.......

or to become high profile as to attract ....'business'...?

like the free pot guy-


heres some more of 'your' stuff--


Townsend said he rejects patients who don't have medical records from their primary physicians or who suffer from conditions that don't fall within the criteria of state law. But he favors expanding the list to include conditions such as Parkinson's disease. He testified in late January before the Michigan Medical Marihuana Review Panel to add post-traumatic stress syndrome to the state's list of debilitating medical conditions.

While ...."he was generally pleased".......with the package of bills passed last year regulating medical marijuana that take effect in April,....(bona fide clause???).....

Townsend said he was troubled by new restrictions on telemedicine regarding consultative visits for patients. Physicians have been allowed to use Internet tools such as Skype to interview patients who have been seen by their primary physicians and have medical records to determine eligibility for the MMMP program.


not to get in a 'pissing' match here about 'business' practices.....when you point fingers some may point back--

...and I am aware that there are a lot of your patients you ceritifyin here supporting you-

...do they get discounts when they become high profile Internet defenders of your rhetoric? :shock:
 

Bigtacofarmer

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So the next question? How many video clinics does doc have in Michigan. One in Saginaw. (oh and doc, I am thankful for you service, we are better with than against you) That said, grow some balls, put on a pot t-shirt and go outside!
 

Dr. Bob

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Right now one, Traverse City. I do on occasion do a few elsewhere. After the 1st, I am undecided.

So what is your point with video clinics? They are somehow bad? You are aware they are in common use all over the world, I've got a good 5 years experience with them, and in fact Harwell was arraigned by video when he was arrested.

As for the article, I am viewed as an expert and folks do occasionally seek me out, as that one did. Now, is your point that I was interviewed or what was said. Personally I think it was a pretty good article and my comments were very pro cannabis. Or did you find it wishy washy? Or am I considered wishy washy when I point out things that may be unpopular, but not inaccurate?

Dr. Bob
 

buckaroo bonzai

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no----business practice and people pointing fingers....
call it 'shameless business practice?
----as in some have no shame promoting themselves and what 'they' believe...

most in here support dispensaries and everything in between-

I thought 3ma was where they try and support law enforcements view of the rules ......and unambiguous compliance


im not fully against you most of the time--I see where you may have helped some to stay out of trouble....and I fully support your tax stamp idea

i just think this is the wrong site totry and get folks to follow the rules as some and Leo interpret

and IMO not the place to tell folks NOT to give away 'FREE' weed-:joint:

this is RIU and it is for everything mmj related...:shock:
 

st0wandgrow

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Doc, Cory and Trevor, Stump, Taco, Buckaroo ..... you guys are all making some excellent points here. This is one of those issues where I can really see both sides of the coin, and they are both equally compelling to me.

On the one hand I do feel that Dr. Bob makes a valid point. With 63% voting in favor of legalizing it, there simply had to be a big chunk of people that gave it the thumbs-up that are not marijuana users themselves. These are the people that Dr. Bob is talking about. They don't necessarily look at this the same way that we do. They view this purely as medicine that may help a very ill person, and do not want the culture of it put out there on display. They want to see discrete, and professional. The example that Doc uses is a very good one. What would you think of a pharmacy that gave away oxy's to people coming in with cans of soup? It would kinda make a mockery of things.

The other side is equally as valid, imo. This dispensary is helping patients out by giving away free meds, and is also helping feed people that have fallen on hard times. A win-win by any standard.

This is a tough issue, and one that we are all not going to agree upon. I don't think anyone has any bad intentions, so keeping it above the belt would be cool.
 

Dr. Bob

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no----business practice and people pointing fingers....call it 'shameless business practice?
as in some have no shame promoting themselves and what they believe...

most in here support dispensaries and everything in between-

I thought 3ma was where they try and support law enforcements view of the rules ......and unambiguous compliance


im not fully against you most of the time--I see where you may have helped some to stay out of trouble....and I fully support your tax stamp idea

i just think this is the wrong site totry and get folks to follow the rules as some and Leo interpret

this is RIU and it is for everything mmj related...:shock:
You know, that is fair enough. I did notice a difference in the reaction here and I think it comes from where people start. I am big into preventing problems by knowing what people clearly can and can't do. Many in here are in between those and I can respect that. But my position is that I put out the safety zones and folks decide on their own from there.

Dr. Bob
 

FatMarty

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At least this person has the balls to stand in the face of the opposition and be civilly disobedient while at the same time helping a good cause...

Anyone that looks down on this is a FUCKING DOUCHEBAG.
I don't agree with Dr. Bob no matter what he says.
But I am still a fucking douchebag.
I don't think it means a damn thing to be honest.
"It" being giving out free joints in the food drive.

If I weren't so cynical I probably wouldn't consider this to be possibly something LEO/pols dreamed up to get some sort of clause inserted into the new dispensary bill.
But I am very cynical.
It might sway a pols vote; but it's not going to be detrimental to MM in general.
Personally I wouldn't do it so publically; but that's because I'm chicken.:-P
 

Dr. Bob

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Doc, Cory and Trevor, Stump, Taco, Buckaroo ..... you guys are all making some excellent points here. This is one of those issues where I can really see both sides of the coin, and they are both equally compelling to me.

On the one hand I do feel that Dr. Bob makes a valid point. With 63% voting in favor of legalizing it, there simply had to be a big chunk of people that gave it the thumbs-up that are not marijuana users themselves. These are the people that Dr. Bob is talking about. They don't necessarily look at this the same way that we do. They view this purely as medicine that may help a very ill person, and do not want the culture of it put out there on display. They want to see discrete, and professional. The example that Doc uses is a very good one. What would you think of a pharmacy that gave away oxy's to people coming in with cans of soup? It would kinda make a mockery of things.

The other side is equally as valid, imo. This dispensary is helping patients out by giving away free meds, and is also helping feed people that have fallen on hard times. A win-win by any standard.

This is a tough issue, and one that we are all not going to agree upon. I don't think anyone has any bad intentions, so keeping it above the belt would be cool.
One of the best and level posts of the day. Yes there are valid sides to the coin, my point was made, and I am all for food drives and helping people. This is just not a good idea at this time. We all made our points well.

Dr. Bob
 

Dr. Bob

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I don't agree with Dr. Bob no matter what he says.
But I am still a fucking douchebag.
I don't think it means a damn thing to be honest.
"It" being giving out free joints in the food drive.

If I weren't so cynical I probably wouldn't consider this to be possibly something LEO/pols dreamed up to get some sort of clause inserted into the new dispensary bill.
But I am very cynical.
It might sway a pols vote; but it's not going to be detrimental to MM in general.
Personally I wouldn't do it so publically; but that's because I'm chicken.:-P
Chicken or more accurately, smart.
 
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