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kindprincess

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KP Does there seem to be any benefit to these mutans? Do you think it would be somthing that can be bred in?
it is something that can be bred for, but most often, the plants do grow out of the mutation. as far as benefits, everyone likes higher yields, and that's exactly what you get with an additional budsite per node. i wish i could find cola pix of my last one, it was a monster! bud the size of a softball...
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
hmm...

"The meristem continually produces new leaves, which are visible as they initiate as slight bumps, or primordia, at the periphery of the meristem. Leaves are initiated at a certain frequency and in a certain pattern [fig. 9.5]. The timing between successive leaf initiations is called the plastochron and can be described in stages of leaf development from initiation to full differentiation. The plastochron stages are numbered P1, P2, P3, . . . , Pn, where n is the number of leaves differentiating and varies widely between different plant species. The leaf continues going through plastochron stages until it is fully differentiated. The pattern in which new leaves are initiated is phyllotaxy. There are two possible phyllotactic patterns: spiral phyllotaxy, where leaf primordia bud at certain angles from the previous primordia, and whorled phyllotaxy, where leaf primordia form in alternating patterns of one (distichous), two (decussate), or three (tricussate) leaves per whorl.

There are many models to explain how phyllotactic patterning occurs, most falling under two concepts: morphogenetic fields or biophysical constraints. The concept of morphogenetic fields and related models suggest that an initiated primordia makes a diffusible substance that inhibits the initiation of another primordia, so that the next primordia will form only after escaping this biochemical constraint. Alternatively, the concept of biophysical constraints suggests that the positions of existing primordial effect initiation of new primordia by limiting the available physical space. The available space model can include either biochemical or biophysical constraints and is supported by studies of mutants producing more organs than normal because they have larger meristems, and thus more room to escape biochemical or biophysical constraints [fig. 9.6]. However, these mutants do not change the phyllotactic pattern of leaves, only the number of leaves produced in that pattern. Surgical manipulations can be performed in corn that will change phyllotactic patterning from whorled to spiral [fig. 9.7]. This mimics the natural change in phyllotactic patterning that occurs in corn during the progression from leaf formation (whorled pattern) to flower formation (spiral pattern). "

Principles of Developmental Biology
 

KushMaster85

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It would be great if someone had the time and space to breed this in to plants. call it the 3 Headed Beast or Triple Threat. Does this occur a lot with the Mandala Seeds or has it been seen in other breeders too?
 

kindprincess

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It would be great if someone had the time and space to breed this in to plants. call it the 3 Headed Beast or Triple Threat. Does this occur a lot with the Mandala Seeds or has it been seen in other breeders too?
it's not too rare actually...

i selfed one of mine, and i'm going to be working on it in the future. the problem is that they usually grow out of it. finding one that stays true is like finding a needle in a stack of needles that you found in a feild of haybales....

the best luck i had was a few years back, with bagseed. one branch grew three leaf nodes, i cloned the branch and the plant took on the mutation. however, the three branches per node grew normally, two leaves per node. the cola on the clones were fantastic though, i never got a chance to spear one. at the time, my experiments were seasonal.

kp
 

MrBaker

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Man, you guys have these 3 leaved retards too?! So cool. It grew with alternate phyllotaxy first, then what looks like whorled now and its finally making normal looking leaves. Early on they were 3 leaflet retards forever.

I have another one that shot up 2 SAM's, so it looks like I topped it very young, but I didn't.
 

Goldy

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i got a half oz of real shity seeded bud a lil while ago and i planted some seeds. i got maybe 4 or 5 if not more of these 3 leafed nodes. but im pretty sure they grew outa it. i havnt looked recently though. some of the first fan leafs were almost round on some of the plants 2.
 

rimbaegeus

Active Member
Sure, it'd be nice to grow a variety which sports a 20% increase in yield. The extra leaf matter probably wouldn't impact a grow all that much for even amateur growers who make sure to cover ventilation and security with even moderate forethought.

The real issue here, is that alternating whorled phyllotaxy seems to be in most cases a mutation which the plant grows out of. As has been said, it is nearly impossible to get a plant which stays true to this condition throughout its lifespan. Furthermore, this doesn't seem to be a genetic trait that can be passed on, but rather a birth defect of a sort, only passed on by its probability for any cannabis plant to pass on the defect.
 
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