Fractus is back for a second styro-grow!

Fractus

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Sounds like a pretty fool-proof technique. I'll give that a shot. Keep checking my pics in the future and see if you can notice the difference :D
I suppose waiting longer before watering will increase root development too, won't it? - Make them stretch to get every last drop out eh?
 
KaleoXxX

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hey buddie, whats up

i cant believe i missed your grow for this long! well im here now with comments and complements aplenty! let me get started

remember you asked about doing a hydro set up similar to yours? imagine this; you have your typical hydroponic set up built into a rubermaid container. then you have another rubbermaid with t5 florescent tubes on the top and 2 sides. on the left and right sides you have a vent or fan for inatke and a fan for exhaust

both your plants look healthy short and tightly spaced. the 3 leaf mutant is uncommon but it happens, and as GB said,it doesnt have anything to do with the sex

sorry man, i remember i thought of alot more to say but im zooted and forgot most of it.:eyesmoke: oh well ima hit this bowl and finish this drink...:eyesmoke:
 
Fractus

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Hey Fuzzy, when you said they look overwatered, you were on to something. Because something is wrong but I don't think it's got anything to do with hydration. My co-grower throughout all of thi was talking to a guy who suggested it may be a nitrogen deficiency. It's droopy, the lower leaves are kinda yellow-speckled, and it's hard to see but the tips of all th leaves are slightly yellow or brown. So today we watered again because the soil was dry from top to bottom. But we mixed a little of that MG 24-8-16 in at about half strength hoping a little nutrients will help. We only fed this solution to the older plant, the other one seems to be healthy and is a nice dark green colour. Take a look.

Feb. 14



 
FuZZyBUDz

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mayb? wat soil r u in?? most have a small amount of nutes in it, but some dont. the seedlings shouldnt generally get nutes til about 3 weeks to a minth old, to prevent burn. but they DO look droopy? i cant really say in a deff. tho. usualy defficentcy of N leads to purple/red stems, and such?
 
Fractus

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Th stems are pretty light green, no purple that I noticed. I'm pretty sure there aren't any nutes in the soil I bought. It's potting soil but it doesn't say anything on it about having anything in it. I'm pretty sure it's just dirt. I mixed it with about 30-40% perlite. All mixed up it's really light and fluffy, and it seems to breathe well and hold moisture well.

We only fed the older plant (and only at half strength), which broke through he soil on the 25th so that makes her almost 3 weeks old. I don't think it can hurt really. I'm hoping it will make it healthier and greener. We'll know soon enough lol.
 
Fractus

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So today, roughly 1.5 days since the last watering with weak nutrition, this is the result. So far, no big change but the older plant is definitely perking up a bit. I checked closely for purple stems, and sure enough there is quite prominent purple in there. Still just monitoring for improvement for the time being.

Feb. 16:


 
Nugglet

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Hello all, Im hoping these pics will help. Here are pictures of the plants on Feb, 20. I am the other grower Frac is working with. I work up this morning and noticed the main plant is growing like a mo fucka. But It still seems to be having issues. The stems are def purple. But i was looking in the plant problems section and it looks more like a zinc issue then a Nitrogen. Take a look for yourselves. Hopefully we can get this one figured out.

Something i will note tho is from reading the forums nitrogen def usually stunts growth. And there is no growth stunt there. Its growing rediculously fast. But its extremely droppy and the leaves are tinted yellow it seems. Not dark green like they should be, But if you look under fan leaves for new stems growing they all look healthy. So im not intirerly sure whats going on :S Anyways heres some pics.
 

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Fractus

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W00t! Maybe this plant doesn't look entirely healthy but damn it's cool lookin'. And I think you (Nugglet) may be right because you make a good point about it growing like it's on steroids. I don't think that would happen if it was a Nitrogen deficiency. Anyone got any suggestions about how we can improve this plant?
 
Nugglet

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Yeah dude, Hopefully. its growing damn fast. And certain lower parts look good. But new stuff is showing signs of lacking somewhere. It looks like zinc and nitrogen. But i dunno which it really is. Kinda hoping for someones input :P lol. Whatcha up to?
 
Nugglet

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yall should be here at my place. Bring ur xbox. well hook up both tvs :) and enjoy some bud. lol
 
Nugglet

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Hey guys. Alright i woke up this morning. And did a little more reading and i'm pretty sure i got it figured.

"Zinc plays a roll in the same enzyme functions as manganese and magnesium. More than eighty enzymes contain tightly bound zinc essential for their function. Zinc participates in chlorophyll formation and helps prevent chlorophyll destruction. Carbonic anhydrate has been found to be specifically activated by zinc.
Zinc Deficiencies
Deficiencies appear as chlorosis in the inter-veinal areas of new leaves producing a banding appearance as seen in figure 18. This may be accompany reduction of leaf size and a shortening between internodes. Leaf margins are often distorted or wrinkled. Branch terminals of fruit will die back in severe cases.
Also gets locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients- lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available. Foliar feed if the plant looks real bad. Use chelated zinc. Zinc deficiency produces "little leaf" in many species, especially woody ones; the younger leaves are distinctly smaller than normal. Zinc defeciency may also produce "rosetting"; the stem fails to elongate behind the growing tip, so that the terminal leaves become tightly bunched."







- This was taking from the plant problem section. This is exactly what our plant it doing. The tips of new growth are banding hardcore. And The branching is close as well as the yellow into leaves.

Can anyone vouche for this diagnoses? Just to make sure Frac and I take the right approch to fixing this. Thanks guys.
 
Am I Norml

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Nugglet said:
Hey guys. Alright i woke up this morning. And did a little more reading and i'm pretty sure i got it figured.

"Zinc plays a roll in the same enzyme functions as manganese and magnesium. More than eighty enzymes contain tightly bound zinc essential for their function. Zinc participates in chlorophyll formation and helps prevent chlorophyll destruction. Carbonic anhydrate has been found to be specifically activated by zinc.
Zinc Deficiencies
Deficiencies appear as chlorosis in the inter-veinal areas of new leaves producing a banding appearance as seen in figure 18. This may be accompany reduction of leaf size and a shortening between internodes. Leaf margins are often distorted or wrinkled. Branch terminals of fruit will die back in severe cases.
Also gets locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients- lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available. Foliar feed if the plant looks real bad. Use chelated zinc. Zinc deficiency produces "little leaf" in many species, especially woody ones; the younger leaves are distinctly smaller than normal. Zinc defeciency may also produce "rosetting"; the stem fails to elongate behind the growing tip, so that the terminal leaves become tightly bunched."







- This was taking from the plant problem section. This is exactly what our plant it doing. The tips of new growth are banding hardcore. And The branching is close as well as the yellow into leaves.

Can anyone vouche for this diagnoses? Just to make sure Frac and I take the right approch to fixing this. Thanks guys.
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for being zink deficient it sure is growing aint it lol:bigjoint:
 
Fractus

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I also did a little bit of reading. I think you're right though bro. Zinc deficiency is the most probable issue.
And if we don't look after it then things can go downhill, check this:

Taken from a post at 420magazine forums:

"...These nutrients will get locked out due to high pH: Zinc, Iron, and Manganese...
..With a low level of zinc in your plants, your yields will be dramatically reduced..."

Possible Causes:
"High ph, Low organic matter, High Phosphorus levels in the soil, and or lack of nitrogen."

I also interpolated that the zinc deficiency could be caused simply by a lack of zinc :P But from what I read it is more than likely tied to something else. We hardly used any nutes at all on her so I can't imagine our pH is too high but we should definitely check.

Also stolen from this post:

"Solution to fixing a Zinc deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a Zinc deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients or it will cause nutrient burn!)
And any of the following nutrients will fix a zinc deficiency: Zinc sulfate, zinc chelated, or zinc oxides are adequate fertilizer sources for zinc. Or you can bury galvanized nails in the soil. (Make sure you take off the sharp point at the end to prevent roots from being damaged) Garden Manure, which is slow acting. Greensands, Cottonseed Meal are both medium/slow absorption as well."
 
KaleoXxX

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ive read that fluctuating your ph allows for better uptake of different kinds of nutrients and micronutrients

heres a little chart that kinda describes what i mean


 
Am I Norml

Am I Norml

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Fractus said:
I also did a little bit of reading. I think you're right though bro. Zinc deficiency is the most probable issue.
And if we don't look after it then things can go downhill, check this:

Taken from a post at 420magazine forums:

"...These nutrients will get locked out due to high pH: Zinc, Iron, and Manganese...
..With a low level of zinc in your plants, your yields will be dramatically reduced..."

Possible Causes:
"High ph, Low organic matter, High Phosphorus levels in the soil, and or lack of nitrogen."

I also interpolated that the zinc deficiency could be caused simply by a lack of zinc :P But from what I read it is more than likely tied to something else. We hardly used any nutes at all on her so I can't imagine our pH is too high but we should definitely check.

Also stolen from this post:

"Solution to fixing a Zinc deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a Zinc deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients or it will cause nutrient burn!)
And any of the following nutrients will fix a zinc deficiency: Zinc sulfate, zinc chelated, or zinc oxides are adequate fertilizer sources for zinc. Or you can bury galvanized nails in the soil. (Make sure you take off the sharp point at the end to prevent roots from being damaged) Garden Manure, which is slow acting. Greensands, Cottonseed Meal are both medium/slow absorption as well."
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i personally would give her just a touch of 20-20-20 and see ...usually if you increase the N it will make the plant naturally uptake the micronutes if its locked out on them.. just a thought you might want to try...just go easy :bigjoint:
 
Fractus

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I put a few galvanized screws in the soil (gently) hoping it will supply some zinc, also this morning we watered both plants because the soil was very dry, I mixed up more 24-8-16 at slightly less than recommended strength, and added some zinc gluconate, all dissolved in water and then soaked the soil.

Over the past 48 hours the older plant is looking quite unhealthy and we're really trying to figure out what it is, and I thought of another possibility.
Could it be rootlocked? either by a bad pH level or because of not enough soil??

There is probably only a gallon of soil/perlite in the box, half of it assigned to each plant. The stem on the older one is as big as my pinky at the base. I know it has a great root system but could the plant be suffering from not having enough dirt for the roots to expand??

In my last grow, by this stage I only had one female centered in the box with over a gallon of dirt to herself and she ended up filling all of it with roots, could a transplant into a bigger pot save this plant?
 
Am I Norml

Am I Norml

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Fractus said:
I put a few galvanized screws in the soil (gently) hoping it will supply some zinc, also this morning we watered both plants because the soil was very dry, I mixed up more 24-8-16 at slightly less than recommended strength, and added some zinc gluconate, all dissolved in water and then soaked the soil.

Over the past 48 hours the older plant is looking quite unhealthy and we're really trying to figure out what it is, and I thought of another possibility.
Could it be rootlocked? either by a bad pH level or because of not enough soil??

There is probably only a gallon of soil/perlite in the box, half of it assigned to each plant. The stem on the older one is as big as my pinky at the base. I know it has a great root system but could the plant be suffering from not having enough dirt for the roots to expand??

In my last grow, by this stage I only had one female centered in the box with over a gallon of dirt to herself and she ended up filling all of it with roots, could a transplant into a bigger pot save this plant?
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the real question you want to ask yourself at this stage of the game is...is it really gonna hurt to try... i would seriously if i was you ..go with something in the 3 gallon range.. cant make it worse and might just help it out HUGE
 
Fractus

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So guys, we have some catching up to do!
The galvanized nails + weak mix of zinc gluconate supplement with water = healthy plants and cured deficiency.
HOWEVER the 3-leafer turned out to be male 100%.
Here is a picture of him on March 9th.



Now for the good news: The younger of the two plants is definitely female, she was transplanted into a styrofoam cooler all to herself, probably 4+ gallons of soil. The last picture you saw of her was on the 20th of Feb. posted by Nugglet. This is the same plant that broke through the soil on January 30th. This means that today, this beautiful girl is 45 days old.

Pictures from Mar. 9




Pics from Mar. 14





Starting to do a little bit of LST just to help spread her out a bit. Anyway, things are looking good so far. I'll try not to wait so long to post more pics next time. :P
Happy growing!
 
Fractus

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Our plant at 52 days old. Almost 2 months!
(there is a little burn on a couple leaves when they shot up too close to the HPS, then we tied her down and raised the light, no significant damage)




 
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