Fox farm or Roots organic

strawberrycrush

strawberrycrush

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I have personally grown with both. Foxfarm is great imho, especially for beginners, I just find that it isn't what it used to be. Roots Organic, I'm really starting to like this stuff. i use 2 gallon containers all the way thru. The longest I've gone with out adding nutes was 36 days after planting rooted clones using RO, with the FFOF 22 days, Same Strain. Thats my opinion, we all have our own. Some people like to mix soils. That may be another option for you to consider. SC.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
used both, fox farm used to be better and they have had consistency issues. roots is newer but has a good track record. both are quality and the real difference is in what/when you are adding. for a true organic soil check out subcool's supersoil in his subforum sometime for a soil recipe that needs just water.
 
TheAngryLiberal

TheAngryLiberal

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I guess ill mix my gnat free MG organic choice garden soil with roots organic and pearlite. What nutes should I get to go with that?
 
jemstone

jemstone

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Used both here. I won't use the FFOF because I know where they get most of their soil source. The Roots organic is really good. They have a couple different formulas, the 707 is more for outdoor. If you use it for indoor, use smaller 3-5 gallon pots, it holds a lot of moisture. The regular Roots organic is pretty rich so no nutrient are really needed for the first week or more.

You can stick with the Roots theme and go with their organic line. With my experience it is good stuff but you have to use a lot more per gallon then some of the other lines. I am using Humboldt Nutrients Organic and prefer it over the Roots.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
your choice. some think earth juice is the best organic food. i prefer bio canna because it is vegan. roots makes good nutes. humbodlt organic is good too as mentioned above.
 
TheAngryLiberal

TheAngryLiberal

Active Member
MG organic choice garden soil doesnt have MG ferts and is completely different than the reg MG. I used it in an outdoor grow and it was amazing. I don't know anything about any other MG but from what I heard I would never use it.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
MG gone organic, well I'll be...

"Ingredients: Here is what the ingredients on the back of the bag say:

This product is regionally formulated with organic materials (derived from one or more of the following: forest products, peat humus, or compost) sphagnum peat, composted manure (in Florida, cow manure) and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.

In California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost, sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.

Guaranteed Analysis:

Total nitrogen (N) – .10% – (This product contains .097% slow available nitrogen.)
Available phosphate (P2O5) – .05%
Soluble potash (K2O) – .10% "

But is that poultry litter.... organic?

Messing with ya... get your grow on
 
jemstone

jemstone

Well-Known Member
Matt Rize said:
composted manure (in Florida, cow manure) and pasteurized,

Guaranteed Analysis:

Total nitrogen (N) – .10% – (This product contains .097% slow available nitrogen.)
Available phosphate (P2O5) – .05%
Soluble potash (K2O) – .10% "
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I mixed a pick-up truck load organic cow manure with about 10ftx15ftx2-3 ft reused soil. Man-o-man, it sure leaves a cow shit taste in your nose after a puff of the final product. Maybe it wasn't pasteruized but I definetly won't be using cow manure in my medicine anymore!

Oh and I first thought the analysis was 10-.05-.10. I was like... :shock: :oops:
 
Nullis

Nullis

Moderator
Matt Rize said:
MG gone organic, well I'll be...

"Ingredients: Here is what the ingredients on the back of the bag say:

This product is regionally formulated with organic materials (derived from one or more of the following: forest products, peat humus, or compost) sphagnum peat, composted manure (in Florida, cow manure) and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.

In California and Texas, regionally formulated from forest products, compost, sphagnum peat, composted manure and pasteurized, pelleted poultry litter.

Guaranteed Analysis:

Total nitrogen (N) – .10% – (This product contains .097% slow available nitrogen.)
Available phosphate (P2O5) – .05%
Soluble potash (K2O) – .10% "

But is that poultry litter.... organic?

Messing with ya... get your grow on
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They even actually have a '100% plant based' liquid formula under the "Organic Choice" label which is an 8-0-0, derived from fermented sugar beet molasses.
 
Nullis

Nullis

Moderator
TheAngryLiberal said:
ewww. Does anyone know whats in roots organic and what are the different kinds.
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I used Roots Organic soil in my final transplant for flower. I can't say much in terms of a comparison with Ocean Forest, because I didn't run a side by side and of course the plants had been growing in exclusively Ocean Forest until the transplant. The buds are looking fine, some will be harvested today. My plants are way too big in terms of height (I'd like to finish between 3-4 ft as opposed to these 6 ft plants that are ripening) but it seems like amending with more earthworm castings, high P guano and perhaps some general purpose fertilizer wouldn't be a bad idea.

Even so, I am leaning toward the Roots Organic soil for a few reasons. I really like that coir is already in the mix as it saves quite a bit of time and some money, too. I was previously amending the Ocean Forest with coir which I would purchase separately; and the Ocean Forest already costs about $5 more than Roots. The Roots Organic soil also appeared to have plenty of perlite from my perspective. The only thing is Ocean Forest is based on composted forest humus, which is lacking in the Roots but probably isn't a huge deal.

The ingredients for the Roots Organic Soil are listed as follows: "coco fiber, peat moss, perlite, pumice, premium worm castings, bat guano, kelp, fish bone meal, soy bean meal, feather meal, greensand, leonardite, and alfalfa meal" even though I know there were other things listed on the face of the bag which I threw away yesterday.
There is also a 'Potting Mix' and a 'Formula 707' in a big 3 cu. ft bag which can be planted into directly like the others. The 707 is "designed with greater water holding capacity, less perlite and pumice, and specific ingredients for large container gardening".

Ocean Forest is "composted forest humus, sphagnum peat moss, Pacific Northwest sea-going fish, crab meal, shrimp meal, earthworm castings, vermicultural compost (bedding material and livestock manure), sandy loam, perlite, fossilized bat guano, granite dust, Norwegian kelp meal and oyster shell (for pH adjustment)".

Both are exceptional soils, they can be mixed together and supplementing either with some more dolomite or oyster shell certainly wouldn't hurt.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Thanks Nullis, great post. Wouldn't the composted forest humus in the FFOF make is more of a true soil, and increase the media CEC? This makes me think that Roots is more of a soil-less amended media and the FFOF is closer to a true soil

Either way, mixing sounds like you get the best of both worlds. What about adding some alaskan humisoil or composted humus to the Roots mix in order to increase the CEC and decrease the food supplementation needs?
 
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