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Ferredoxin

Ferredoxin

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cooley150 said:
I have a question about that.... I have a DIY aeroponicis cloner/veg unit. No sure if your familiar with "Stinkbud" and his aeroponic units, but that's what it is. I have 12 plants that have grown out of control in this unit and all the roots are matted together. I was planning on transferring these plants into the Eb & Gro, but I don't know if it's possible to separate the roots without F*%king up the plants. Is there any way I can save these plants?

on a second note I was also thinking about doing a Scrog. is this what you did with the Ebb & Gro? I'll be reading your journal after this post...lol
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Just gonna chime in here.....

I have a DIY aero cloner also. I got into a similar situation with the roots. I actually decided to cut them out, and only leave about 3" of roots on each cutting. I transplanted them to soil, and they produced some very nice crop. They didnt seem too shocked by the whole situation. I will offer this up as a suggestion if you cant wiggle them out.
 
cooley150

cooley150

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Ferredoxin said:
Just gonna chime in here.....

I have a DIY aero cloner also. I got into a similar situation with the roots. I actually decided to cut them out, and only leave about 3" of roots on each cutting. I transplanted them to soil, and they produced some very nice crop. They didnt seem too shocked by the whole situation. I will offer this up as a suggestion if you cant wiggle them out.
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Good to know....Thanks FERREDOXIN.
 
cooley150

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researchkitty said:
Make sure your floats are level. They twist and turn pretty easily. (My future float references are with regard to the BOTTOM TWO floats of the controller, not the upper top ones) If you hold the bottom float up and top float down, nothing should happen. Top float and bottom float up, it should try to drain. When the bottom and top float then hit bottom, it stops draining.

If the floats are level, it could be 'stuck' and that would mean you need to replace the second float from the bottom, as that being "on" all the time would cause the pump to drain and turn off every time the bottom float gets water near it.

The dual floats serve as a way to pump out a few inches of water, and then stop, refill, and them pump some more out. If it was just one float, you get this constant on/off cycle that just burns up pumps.

If I didnt describe this correctly, let me know, but I think I got it =)



Congrats! If your transplanting to flower mode, go ahead and hit em with 12/12 and nutrients right away. Its not unusual to lose say 5% of your roots give or take. They wont miss em, they'll be growing for 5 more weeks of flower still.[/QUOTE

Thanks Kitty....Got em on 12/12 and at about 1000 ppm right now.
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mrduke

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hey guys I've been trying to think of a way to pre- veg my plants so that i dont have to veg in the E&G buckets anyone do this? I'd like toveg them in like 1 gal or enen smaller pots. just dont know how to water them in straight hydroton with without haveing them in a flood table, my veg area is a weird size that tables wont fit in. any ideas????

I thought about maybe veging in coco then transplanting to buckets filled with hyroton just dont know if the coco will filter thru in to the res and F up my pumps????
 
i81two

i81two

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I go from clone to a 1x1 rw cube that plugs into a 6x6 cube that gets fed 2x daily in veg then when its goes to flower i put the 6x6 right into the EG bucket. It fits tightly and works great.
 
mrduke

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Me and RW really dont get along. Im leaning towards coco but dont know how it will effect the E&G system, pumps ect....?
 
Stonetech

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mrduke said:
hey guys I've been trying to think of a way to pre- veg my plants so that i dont have to veg in the E&G buckets anyone do this? I'd like toveg them in like 1 gal or enen smaller pots. just dont know how to water them in straight hydroton with without haveing them in a flood table, my veg area is a weird size that tables wont fit in. any ideas????

I thought about maybe veging in coco then transplanting to buckets filled with hyroton just dont know if the coco will filter thru in to the res and F up my pumps????
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You could use i gallon pots ebb n gro style in place of the flood table, it could be any shape you want just make a table for it to sit on that fits your area. you could put the res underneath and run a flood and drain fitting to the control bucket (instead of float switches) just like you would with a flood table. It would eliminate the need for a second pump/float switches and also require a much smaller res than a flood table.
 
researchkitty

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mrduke said:
hey guys I've been trying to think of a way to pre- veg my plants so that i dont have to veg in the E&G buckets anyone do this? I'd like toveg them in like 1 gal or enen smaller pots. just dont know how to water them in straight hydroton with without haveing them in a flood table, my veg area is a weird size that tables wont fit in. any ideas????

I thought about maybe veging in coco then transplanting to buckets filled with hyroton just dont know if the coco will filter thru in to the res and F up my pumps????
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I do that now. Cubes to Party cups to 1 gallon pots to 2 gallon pots. All in my grow journal.....

Dont use coco in buckets. Why doesnt rockwool and you get along? It usually works right, its the user that has difficulty......
 
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C.A.P. Users I have a Question I hope you can help with.

I want to run 4 flood tables each one would be 6' x 3'...the main issue is I want my res outside my room and would love to have my tables very low to the ground (like maybe 1 foot off the ground).

Is there a way I could get the C.A.P. controller to do this for me? I already have the tables and can get plastic 55 gallon drums for $10 in my area...just need to figure out how I can successfully flood and drain. I am pretty sure the CAP controller is the answer I just want to verify and find out the best way to set it up. Thanks in advance guys.

Pic of the controller I am thinking of

 
mrduke

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researchkitty said:
I do that now. Cubes to Party cups to 1 gallon pots to 2 gallon pots. All in my grow journal.....

Dont use coco in buckets. Why doesnt rockwool and you get along? It usually works right, its the user that has difficulty......
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Miss kitty-- have you ever used the RW croutons or chuncks? Ya see my problem is I want to veg in what i use as my mother cabinet which is only 40"x20"x 5' tall so i need a medium that i can hand water and still transplant to the ebb buckets. As far as not getting along with RW mostly thats when taking clones I have never used it as a sole grow medium. do you have any suggestions???
 
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MedHeadGRWR

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Mr Duke, Thanks for the link and I did see that one as well. Basically that will drain for me correct. Can you possibly explain how it will work since gravity obviously will not be doing the draining like most flood tables do? I sort of have an idea in my head but have never witness how these work first hand. Thanks again and +rep
 
i81two

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PB190446.jpgPB190444.jpgPC090492.jpgI dont understand why u would use a tray with ebb and grow system. Just put your pots on the floor and let your controller do the rest.

You can hand water RW 2x a day and be fine.
 
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MedHeadGRWR

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Because my table is going to be setup like the one in the pic...I have 92 clones going right now (check my sig for more details). This round is soil and next round I want to get more plants per sq ft




EDIT: I also don't have time to hand water 2x a day 100+ plants
 
mrduke

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MEDHEAD- if you setup a manifold drip type system with 1" pvc coming off a 6-700 gph pump in your res. top feeding your 96 plants in 1 gallon pots filled with hydroton or medium of your choice. Then connect a drain line from the drain of the table running into the cap ADC-1 controler, which will have to have a pump in it to pump the water back to the res. the ADC kinda works like a inline pump but has sensors soit only pumps when water is present. you would have to have your table about 1' off the floor to allow for the height of the ADC. BUt i do think this would make what you want happen. Unless you really need the table ON the floor, then i dont know.


any ideas on veging in coco or rw croutons???? hand watering
 
researchkitty

researchkitty

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mrduke said:
Miss kitty-- have you ever used the RW croutons or chuncks? Ya see my problem is I want to veg in what i use as my mother cabinet which is only 40"x20"x 5' tall so i need a medium that i can hand water and still transplant to the ebb buckets. As far as not getting along with RW mostly thats when taking clones I have never used it as a sole grow medium. do you have any suggestions???
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You can hand water Hydroton. If you use rockwool "croutons" (the little cubes that you pour in a bucket) then they will retain so much moisture you'll drown the roots and have nice dead plants. Not too fun. Use Hydroton, use it exclusively, and nothing else. :)

mrduke said:
cap makes a different controler, which is the one you want. Its the adc-1 similar to the one pictured but made for just what you want and less money. hope it helps. link http://www.randmsupply.com/productdisp.php?pid=730&navid=68

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I drain to a 35 gallon rubbermaid tub that was $5 at WalMart. That tub then drains to a 55 galon reservoir. Its in my grow journal of course. Keeping a flood tray off the floor by one foot with a limited amount of tray space and floor space makes it hard...........

The square reservoirs they make specifically FOR the trays are about 18" off the ground give or take. Only complaint is they are expensive, around $150 just for the tray and then more for the lids still!
 
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MedHeadGRWR

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mrduke said:
MEDHEAD- if you setup a manifold drip type system with 1" pvc coming off a 6-700 gph pump in your res. top feeding your 96 plants in 1 gallon pots filled with hydroton or medium of your choice. Then connect a drain line from the drain of the table running into the cap ADC-1 controler, which will have to have a pump in it to pump the water back to the res. the ADC kinda works like a inline pump but has sensors soit only pumps when water is present. you would have to have your table about 1' off the floor to allow for the height of the ADC. BUt i do think this would make what you want happen. Unless you really need the table ON the floor, then i dont know.

Perfect answer. Now I think I know what I need to do...a little more research and I will post back here when I get it completely sorted out. Just needed to make sure the ADC did what I thought it did.
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researchkitty said:
I drain to a 35 gallon rubbermaid tub that was $5 at WalMart. That tub then drains to a 55 galon reservoir. Its in my grow journal of course. Keeping a flood tray off the floor by one foot with a limited amount of tray space and floor space makes it hard...........

The square reservoirs they make specifically FOR the trays are about 18" off the ground give or take. Only complaint is they are expensive, around $150 just for the tray and then more for the lids still!
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Exactly my two reasons I won't use trays, one they are too expensive...two they are bigger than I have space for.

Thanks
 
researchkitty

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afrothund3r said:
Whats the word on the stg inserts fro the CAP E and G. I am setting up my first grow and have seen mixed reviews on the inserts.
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The biggest problem is they retain a little too much water so they feel too wet all the time, and when they are wet or watering or have a plant taller than 36" in them they sag and lop in. If they had some reinforcements in them it might help.

The other problem is the cost. Check how much each one is ;)
 
Ferredoxin

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Great thread! I have decided to change my entire op over from soil to Ebb and Gro thanks to this wealth of info. Thanks to everyone for contributing! I still have a few questions that I havent really seen a solid answer to:

1) Could I take bareroot cuttings from an aero cloner and transplant them directly into this system with hydroton? Would they need to be flooded more than 2 times per day in the beginning like it seems people are doing with rockwool cuts? Should I transplant them into another medium before placing in the hydroton buckets?

2) Is there a concensus on plant support? DO tomato cages work with this system? Are people even finding it necessary to support the plants? All of the branches seem to be pretty damn stout in the pics I have seen.

3) Am I correct to assume that it is bad to irrigate during dark hours?

Thanks!
 
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