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jpreal

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Hiker said:
jpreal you must live in/near Riverside, CA? I graduated high school in Riverside.
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Im in Socal but Cap moved a few years ago to perris. I didn't know till the other day when i looked online about getting my bucket fixed n was pumped to see they were in driving distance. walk in service was stellar
 
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jpreal

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joe macclennan said:
Bigger hose size means faster to flood, faster to drain. This is always good in hydro. I upgraded my cap to 3/4 Pull out your 1/2 grommets and put 3/4 ebb bulkhead fittings in up to the threads trace around em with a paint pen and carefully cut the larger circle out w/a pair of tin snips. Dremel or rotozip works too but way easier to mess up. 3/4 lines are a great idea IMO. I am not sure what you mean about the inner buckets. I have never seen the cap buckets in person. I use 3 gallon buckets w/10 inch netpots. In fact I am putting a new sys. together now so I can flower my old mums:eyesmoke:
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Thanks man! I already put it all together, mostly. I plan to fire it up this weekend. I threw it together stock just to see what the results look like... then i can have something to judge off of if i make any adjustment or just switch to another system. been eying the titan eb n flo. If i run this system again i'll go up to 3/4 line n spend some time better perforating the inner pots.
 
HomeLessBeans

HomeLessBeans

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joe macclennan said:
Bigger hose size means faster to flood, faster to drain. This is always good in hydro. I upgraded my cap to 3/4 Pull out your 1/2 grommets and put 3/4 ebb bulkhead fittings in up to the threads trace around em with a paint pen and carefully cut the larger circle out w/a pair of tin snips. Dremel or rotozip works too but way easier to mess up. 3/4 lines are a great idea IMO. I am not sure what you mean about the inner buckets. I have never seen the cap buckets in person. I use 3 gallon buckets w/10 inch netpots. In fact I am putting a new sys. together now so I can flower my old mums:eyesmoke:
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Why is a faster flood and drain better?
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
I have had both 3/4 upgraded ebb systems and 1/2 and theres no gain in flooding/draining faster!
what i did notice is with 3/4 more water sits in the lines between floods.
 
georgeforeman

georgeforeman

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A faster fill/drain might be good if you use a low-absorption medium like hydroton and you can lower the fill time to less than 15 minutes.
 
HomeLessBeans

HomeLessBeans

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georgeforeman said:
A faster fill/drain might be good if you use a low-absorption medium like hydroton and you can lower the fill time to less than 15 minutes.
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nope. Fill time has no effect...

My point? Time is money. If you can't see or prove the time you spend makes your plants better it is a waste. Spend that time learnin how and why capillary roots are important.

Ps
A 2 gallon pot of hydroton will take weeks to dry. Not minutes or even days.
 
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nahahaha

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I posted this on a separate thread as well, but I think it's more appropriate to ask it here. I'm still combing through this massive thread haha, but does anyone know the electrical use of this system?
 
Dr.fillDAblunt420

Dr.fillDAblunt420

Active Member
Can anyone suggest a watering cycle when using Growstone in the ebb monster. I'm used to hydroton and just want to see what is giving everyone the best results. I am currently doing 4 fills in 18 hours.
 
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joe macclennan

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HomeLessBeans said:
Why is a faster flood and drain better?
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Dope does not benefit from being immersed in water for extended periods of time. This is why so many DWC, aeroponic, or ebb systems are fraught with problems. In a standard flood and drain table, rez problems are not generally a problem. Proper drainage is a basic tenet of farming be it dirt or hydro. The idea of a fast filling and draining system, most any system whether it be dirt, flood and drain, ebb, or aero. is or should be strived for. Now that is not to say that you cannot grow in a slower filling/draining system. Or a system where water is laying stagnant. Obviously it is possible but the longer your roots are immersed the more prone to root problems your plants are. So if you can achieve a full flood and drain in less than half an hour it is possible you can flood them more times a day beneficially. Another benefit to running 3/4 lines is you can run fewer main hoses and have more pots connected to less mains and still achieve fast filling/drainage. thereby allowing you to free up valuable floor space that would otherwise be cluttered by a spiderweb of 1/2 inch lines.

Yes as hellraizer pointed out you may very well have more water in your lines tween waterings but if you elevate your pots this can be remedied easily. I raised my buckets 1/2 inch and my lines have less than 1/4 inch of water in em while in drain cycle. I run 10 inch netpots in 2 gallon buckets and flood 15 pots fully in just under 15 minutes. Fed only by three 3/4 main hoses.(each main hose has 5 pots connected to it) The entire flood/drain cycle takes bout 1/2 hour. I just completed my ebb expansion for my mums and I can see that after being placed under 1000w they will benefit from having a second watering a day. I plan on flipping 15 moms every 4-6 weeks. With space for 30 mothers in flower I will have two 15 plant harvests in my room.This will allow me to keep strong vibrant mothers to clone off of and keep two 1000w lights on in flower over my ebb sys as well as keep plenty of 8-12 inch clones for my 8x8 sog.
 
HomeLessBeans

HomeLessBeans

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joe macclennan said:
Dope does not benefit from being immersed in water for extended periods of time. This is why so many DWC, aeroponic, or ebb systems are fraught with problems. In a standard flood and drain table, rez problems are not generally a problem. Proper drainage is a basic tenant of farming be it dirt or hydro. The idea of a fast filling and draining system, most any system whether it be dirt, flood and drain, ebb, or aero. is or should be strived for. Now that is not to say that you cannot grow in a slower filling/draining system. Or a system where water is laying stagnant. Obviously it is possible but the longer your roots are immersed the more prone to root problems your plants are. So if you can achieve a full flood and drain in less than half an hour it is possible you can flood them more times a day beneficially. Another benefit to running 3/4 lines is you can run fewer main hoses and have more pots connected to less mains and still achieve fast filling/drainage. thereby allowing you to free up valuable floor space that would otherwise be cluttered by a spiderweb of 1/2 inch lines.

Yes as hellraizer pointed out you may very well have more water in your lines tween waterings but if you elevate your pots this can be remedied easily. I raised my buckets 1/2 inch and my lines have less than 1/4 inch of water in em while in drain cycle. I run 10 inch netpots in 2 gallon buckets and flood 15 pots fully in just under 15 minutes. Fed only by three 3/4 main hoses.(each main hose has 5 pots connected to it) The entire flood/drain cycle takes bout 1/2 hour. I just completed my ebb expansion for my mums and I can see that after being placed under 1000w they will benefit from having a second watering a day. I plan on flipping 15 moms every 4-6 weeks. With space for 30 mothers in flower I will have two 15 plant harvests in my room.This will allow me to keep strong vibrant mothers to clone off of and keep two 1000w lights on in flower over my ebb sys as well as keep plenty of 8-12 inch clones for my 8x8 sog.
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OK. never mind
 
makesSinse33

makesSinse33

Member
Could be that your plants are over watered. Try flooding 2-3 x/day vs 5. This post was 4 years ago so i'm sure you've solved this problem, if not giver a try and let me know how everything went.
 
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