For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

Hey Hellraizer what nutes do you think produce the biggest buds in an E&G? I really want to give the b52 another chance cause it does have a lot of beneficial things in it. I think my next rez change I am going to do the Sensi bloom a&b, B52, and Overdrive. Ill add the tea to the rez and see if it starts smelling again. Or I am willing to take suggestions on it. I guess what I could do is just start by adding the sensi bloom then wait a day or two then add the overdrive or b52 then wait a few days. Probably was the bud candy that was making it smell though.

Its like brewing a big ol' tea.

GreenDyl said:

Hey Hellraizer what nutes do you think produce the biggest buds in an E&G? I really want to give the b52 another chance cause it does have a lot of beneficial things in it. I think my next rez change I am going to do the Sensi bloom a&b, B52, and Overdrive. Ill add the tea to the rez and see if it starts smelling again. Or I am willing to take suggestions on it. I guess what I could do is just start by adding the sensi bloom then wait a day or two then add the overdrive or b52 then wait a few days. Probably was the bud candy that was making it smell though.

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getting big buds falls on a number of things, but if i had ti put a finger on the one that yields the most! Would be AN.....
but with that comes tons of issues!

I understand having every other variable in perfect range does effect how much bud you get but, nutrients are a key part and I would say at least 20 percent of yeild is nutrients alone.

I like AN but you are right, so many of their products are shit that cant be used with other products. sucks but i bet once you figure out exactly how it all works you can be pullin like 2 bos off 1000 watt lights

GreenDyl said:

I like AN but you are right, so many of their products are shit that cant be used with other products. sucks but i bet once you figure out exactly how it all works you can be pullin like 2 bos off 1000 watt lights

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Very true... But the biggest fuck up is the fact there ratios are rong in there bottled and when mixed right
at even half strenth can burn the piss out of your shit! Bad npk ratios

Hey guy I've been reading through the post and I've been doing ebb &flo for a while now! I use a 4x4 table for veg and a ebb monster for flowering. I using air pots with a air stone in every bucket and res. I'm using heads formula tweeked! I try and keep my ph between 5.5 -5.8. I also raise the air pot about 5in. I just filled the system so ill post some picz later!

GreenMountain71 said:

Hey guy I've been reading through the post and I've been doing ebb &flo for a while now! I use a 4x4 table for veg and a ebb monster for flowering. I using air pots with a air stone in every bucket and res. I'm using heads formula tweeked! I try and keep my ph between 5.5 -5.8. I also raise the air pot about 5in. I just filled the system so ill post some picz later!

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You should set your ph at 5.6 and let it drift to 6.0 before re-adjusting to 5.6 again. Allows the plant to feed on
different micro nutrients thoughout the ph scale!

hellraizer30 said:

Very true... But the biggest fuck up is the fact there ratios are rong in there bottled and when mixed right
at even half strenth can burn the piss out of your shit! Bad npk ratios

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Or the biggest "fuck-up" is big Mike?

HomeLessBeans said:

Or the biggest "fuck-up" is big Mike?

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That to...........

hellraizer30 said:

That to...........

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Connisuere(Sp?) and a local hydro store did more damage locally than any garden pest or mold. Mix that shit lite. Same EC as Sensi and you will fry your room.

hellraizer30 said:

You should set your ph at 5.6 and let it drift to 6.0 before re-adjusting to 5.6 again. Allows the plant to feed on
different micro nutrients thoughout the ph scale!

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After I fill my res with my mix the ph is 5.4 to 5.5 and after 6 to 10 days she goes up to 5.8 to 5.9 then change. I don't like to use ph up and down unless I really have to. Every 15 to 20 days I flush whole system with floral clean. Yeah its a pain in the butt, but keeps problems to the mininum. This is only my 2nd run in the monster. Using coco ,hydostone mix. I read in some forum member using ebb & gro and would never change res through out the whole grow. Just add and top off. Just seems like there would be some root problems. What do you guys think about this? Changing this 50 gallon monster res and the 50 gallon table res every week is a pain.

I think people burning their plants has a lot to do with strain. I have 12 plants going and 3 are light feeders while the other 9 are heavy feeders. Running 1250 ppm and am just barely getting nute burn on the light feeders. I've only used Fox farm nutes so the results thus far are like day and night lol

GreenDyl said:

I think people burning their plants has a lot to do with strain. I have 12 plants going and 3 are light feeders while the other 9 are heavy feeders. Running 1250 ppm and am just barely getting nute burn on the light feeders. I've only used Fox farm nutes so the results thus far are like day and night lol

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This i would agree! But for a person thats well aware of his genetics i would say no

I have switched from Sensi to Conni a few times and I always come back to Sensi. It comes down to what type of gardener you are. If you can read your plants well and you check PPM, Conni has its advantages for sure. I am most consistent with Sensi and its more forgiving. When I run Conni I run it a quarter strength less than I would run Sensi. (I don't run Sensi past 3/4) I also back off my additives at the same ratio. I hate when people blame a nutrient for burning their plants. Using a new nutrient takes some time to get dialed in. The nutrient didn't burn your plant, you just need to use it correctly. Its a shame that pretty much every line out there would burn your plant at full recommended strength. Everyone should be quick to learn that you can always feed more, but you can't take away note burn once you have it. It is a long healing process lol. I try not to give my opinion on a nutrient until I have used it a few times. So, my 2 cents on Conni… if you dial it in, I have seen great results and you run it at most, like half strength mid flower… so all in all you are not paying much more if any more for it. If you want something more user friendly, Sensi.

Yeah I'm deff loving the results of sensi so far. Getting pumped for these lemon skunk to start putting on weight. Starting week six today. I think for my next grow I will use only 8 pots instead of 12. Kinda wanna set up a small closet grow and fuck around with organics/Ceramic metal halides/autoflowers/scrogging.

I finally got through all 290 pages!!!

Lot's of great info here. Thanks to all that have been contributing and answering questions.

I'm starting a grow with an Ebb & Grow system, so this thread is full of valuable knowledge. I have 24 buckets going into a 12'x5.5' basement flowering room with 3 750W HPS in large AAW knockoffs.

24 seeds were germinated last week, and 23 sprouted. I'm not a fan of feminized seeds, so most are regular (minus a couple freebies I'm using up). This means I'll only be flowering 12-15 plants. I'm aware that I will have to deal with the issues related to running multiple strains, but I knew that going in. I'm not planning to use the flowering room for a perpetual system. I like to harvest a whole room, clean everything, and then start it again fresh. I also don't think a flush is necessary, so having the strains finish at different times will be OK. Obviously I won't be able to maximize the strains that are hungry for nutes or risk burning the light feeders. That's OK with me too. This first run is primarily to select some mothers and dial in the grow room. I've been taking lots of pictures in case I want to start a journal, but I'm not sure I will yet.

Growing pot appears to be a lot like religion. Everyone's beliefs are a little different and we're all passionate about them! I thought it was funny when certain posters would get into heated arguments. Haven't we all heard the saying about arguing on the internet? Disagreement is healthy, but when it turns into insults and name calling, it reflects poorly on all parties involved.

Thanks again for all the great info everyone. If I start a journal I'll come back and share the link. Keep it green above and white below everyone.

I had issues both times I ran different strains. I would not advise, lol. It sounds like you are going for it, so best of luck to you. I got lockout twice when I ran multiple strains. If the strains feed at a similar rate it would be fine, but if you have one that feeds heavy and one feeds light you inevitably get a little burn and a little under feeding. So I sat there frustrating bc I burnt half and ansy about the ones that weren't getting fed enough. After this run I would stick with one strain especially if your new to hydro. It will eliminate variables. Best of luck, Im sure you'll be alright.

BUdbuddysmile said:

I had issues both times I ran different strains. I would not advise, lol. It sounds like you are going for it, so best of luck to you. I got lockout twice when I ran multiple strains. If the strains feed at a similar rate it would be fine, but if you have one that feeds heavy and one feeds light you inevitably get a little burn and a little under feeding. So I sat there frustrating bc I burnt half and ansy about the ones that weren't getting fed enough. After this run I would stick with one strain especially if your new to hydro. It will eliminate variables. Best of luck, Im sure you'll be alright.

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Thanks Budbuddy. It's a new room, but not my first time at the circus. I used to grow down in San Diego back in the 90s, so I have some hydro experience including the CAP bucket system.

I think I have a handle on the issues related to flowering multiple strains. You're right, I risk burning the light feeders if I try to adjust the soup for the heavy feeders. I'll just accept a slightly reduced yield on the heavy feeders and aim for no nute burn on the light feeders. At least that's the plan. The very first crop I was involved with, using the ebb & grow, was a batch from seeds of several strains. We did fine. I do appreciate the warning though!

I'm already committed to the multiple strains. I'm not expecting a stellar first crop. Again, the goal of this first batch will be to select mothers. I suspect I will be doing a second seed batch after this first one just because I won't have big enough mothers to provide a lot of clones by the time the room is ready. This is a good thing though. I'm get a second batch of potential mothers this way!

I am planning to have a second flowering room in the basement as well. My plan is to try to match up some strains with similar nute requirements and flowering times then put them together in the 2 flowering rooms. I'm anticipating having about 4 mothers, so there would be 2 strains in each flowering room. I may also just add another reservoir to the flowering rooms to give me more flexibility to run varied strains and have different age plants in the room (although my preference will always be to harvest whole rooms). We will see. One step at a time.

BTW, yesterday was a very special day here in WA. Anyone else celebrate? 12/6/12 is a date to remember for sure!

I ran 7 strains and it is a pain in the butt. I was looking for mothers also. The next grow will be one strain. Space Dog. Good luck. match