Flushing....Whats your technique?

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
ok super taster I'll give you that, but that's like only 25% of the population. SO i guess if your in that 25% you would be able to tell a differnence and I guess im not since I can't tell a taste difference...
The "super taster" thing is bullshit too, flushing doesn't work the way it's advertised, so regardless of your sense of taste, there is no difference. Buds don't store nutes, and all nutes are the same chemicals (regardless of brand or synthetic/organic) once they're metabolized... These are facts. The plant doesn't "use up" nutrients when you stop feeding.

Its not a matter of taste, it's a matter of it doesn't work like that.
 

Filthy Phil

Well-Known Member
The "super taster" thing is bullshit too, flushing doesn't work the way it's advertised, so regardless of your sense of taste, there is no difference. Buds don't store nutes, and all nutes are the same chemicals (regardless of brand or synthetic/organic) once they're metabolized... These are facts. The plant doesn't "use up" nutrients when you stop feeding.

Its not a matter of taste, it's a matter of it doesn't work like that.
Oh, well im glad we cleared that up. Do leaves store nutes, do stems and roots? Yes...they do. But i guess if some people can tell the difference they must be wrong because YOU cant tell the difference o end-all-of-growing-information...but thanks for clearing that up, im going to go tell everyone, "hey, so harrakin said that flushing is bullshit, and after all HE is the authority on all things growing, so we dont need to flush anymore.

By the way, I have been called out by club owners in the past for not flushing when I didnt flush. Never been accused of it when I DID flush, and only been accused of not flushing when I didnt flush. Id call that a pretty blind test.

But I'm glad we have harrakin here to set us straight.

You should go occupy the hydro shop with a sign that says "we are the 75%!"
 

SirLancelot

Active Member
You should go occupy the hydro shop with a sign that says "we are the 75%!"
haha

Im glad Im in the "75%" I don't have to starve my plants from what they need in the last crucial weeks because the supposed taste bothers me. I just had a group of northern lights finish and seriously 3 of them tasted different. regardless if flushing improves taste or not each plant has it's own distinct characteristics.

Like we've agreed on though what works for you doesn't for others and vis versa
 

Filthy Phil

Well-Known Member
haha

Im glad Im in the "75%" I don't have to starve my plants from what they need in the last crucial weeks because the supposed taste bothers me. I just had a group of northern lights finish and seriously 3 of them tasted different. regardless if flushing improves taste or not each plant has it's own distinct characteristics.

Like we've agreed on though what works for you doesn't for others and vis versa
You are totally correct about that, that even plants with the same treatment can have differences. That does throw a whole other variable into the controversy. Happy tending :-)
 

k5kreep

Member
Hey fellas I appreciate all the responses. I only have 5 crops under my belt so far and have tried Rockwool/Hydrton and Coco, both with flood and drain. I have had pretty decent result thus far but I know I have tremendous room for improvement. With all my crops I just cant seem to get the taste I'm after, hence the reason for the question. All my crops have been flushed, but flushed differently every time due to some experimentation process. The guy that started me out pretty much sucks so I have had to learn on my own. He started me out with GH Nutes (2 Part), then I Moved into the 3 part of GRO, MICRO, & BLOOM along with some additives. So with the taste issue, I don't really know what the deal is. So far I have grown Afgooey, BlueBerry, God Bud, BlueDream and HinduKush, all of which looked good, smelled good when broke open, but just didn't have the taste that grabs you like others I have tried. Any more Info would be awesome.
 

Filthy Phil

Well-Known Member
Hey fellas I appreciate all the responses. I only have 5 crops under my belt so far and have tried Rockwool/Hydrton and Coco, both with flood and drain. I have had pretty decent result thus far but I know I have tremendous room for improvement. With all my crops I just cant seem to get the taste I'm after, hence the reason for the question. All my crops have been flushed, but flushed differently every time due to some experimentation process. The guy that started me out pretty much sucks so I have had to learn on my own. He started me out with GH Nutes (2 Part), then I Moved into the 3 part of GRO, MICRO, & BLOOM along with some additives. So with the taste issue, I don't really know what the deal is. So far I have grown Afgooey, BlueBerry, God Bud, BlueDream and HinduKush, all of which looked good, smelled good when broke open, but just didn't have the taste that grabs you like others I have tried. Any more Info would be awesome.

Ahhhhh taste, the final frontier. I say that because it seems to be for a lot of people the hardest one to master. When yoir shit is sparkling like wet diamonds, you'll still be trying to get the taste more intense.

Overall health is what it really takes. I find not experiencing any defficiencies of potassium, magnesium, and sulferoften leaves me with the best tasting buds. I know thats a backward way of saying it....
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I have mentioned this before. If you want to know what sort of microbial life you have going in your teas and medium, go to Hobby Lobby or such and get a microscope and some slides. Simple samples of runoff and your medium or teas you can see for your own eyes. its actually pretty cool to see the herd you are tending first hand.....
I don't think Hobby Lobby sells microscopes strong enough to see bacteria. And you can't see them unless you use staining techniques. Also, to know "what sort" they are, you need to be trained; there are basically two types but there are thousands or millions in each morphology. When I studied microbiology in college we used 1500 power microscopes. But it is very cool to see.
 

watchhowIdoit

New Member
http://shop.hobbylobby.com/products/microscope-set-with-case-717918/ Only 40 bucks, up to 900x power, plenty strong to see bacteria and fungi. Even contains some stain. I never said each and everyone of us could identify exact specimens. But you sure can get a feel for the populations your maintaining. And if the 'bug' gets you then identification of each becomes the next step.......continual learning Barney, continual learning...

Strep under 900x....
 

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potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
http://shop.hobbylobby.com/products/microscope-set-with-case-717918/ Only 40 bucks, up to 900x power, plenty strong to see bacteria and fungi. Even contains some stain. I never said each and everyone of us could identify exact specimens. But you sure can get a feel for the populations your maintaining. And if the 'bug' gets you then identification of each becomes the next step.......continual learning Barney, continual learning...

Strep under 900x....
Yep, good ole beta strep, very nasty shit; I studied that in depth. You can see the bacteria under a 900 x but that doesn't get you enough detail for identification - even if you're a bacteriology guru. There are a lot of things that are very cool to look at under 900. Many little critters look like alien creatures. Check out talcum powder under the scope!
 

lordjin

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i think the way you should think of flushing is that you know the plant has fed on only clean water for the past week instead of chemical-filled water. Its a great thought people. just like instead of even USING nutes throughout the grow, to go to completely organic or veganic mixes for the purest and most "habitat natural" taste, ya dig?
There is nothing for the plant to 'feed on' in plain water... But you still have it under your light, so it's still trying to grow without food. This reduces potency.
 

RawBudzski

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I always flush before I chop.. now whether I flush soon enough is another question..I use mostly organic ferts and nutes.. I love Bat Guano, I add it to my water & it automatically sets PH @ 6.8ish so no need to use my meter.. Though I have gotten lazy before & used ONLY bat guano for an entire grow for a few plants.. not all. & I still got some good bud I could hardly distinguish it from the rest..

I say, if your plant is a good shade of green and not yellowing too fast. your ok.


Now back on topic. I NOW give my plants a large plain watering 1month into bloom then 1-2 wks before chop. while using plain water + molassass in between flushes. Might add more nutes for any plant that shows signs of needing it.
 

SirLancelot

Active Member

lordjin

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Has anyone seen this video on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sr58DBJ0Dw&feature=related

Its a video showing how unflushed weed burns to black ash. While clean, flushed weed burns to a gray ash. So flushing cant be pointless... Id rather smoke the cleaner looking one, even if you cant tell the diff taste wise. I dont want whatevers turning it black in my body.
That's interesting, but incorrect. My leaves are translocating N and are yellowing nicely... and it's not because I'm flushing.

Flushing only makes sense if the plant one day says, "Okay I'm not gonna grow anymore, I'm done, flush me." Now we all know this doesn't happen and the plant tries to grow until the very end. So how does it help anything to starve it? Isn't that like forcing an althete to go exercise in the sun without breakfast?

I used to totally buy into that white ash thing. But the ash is black because the lazy grower used chemical pesticides, not because he didn't flush. In hydro, if you change your water regularly and flush between water changes, you eliminate salt buildup and get clean smoke.

Edit:
Flushing with soil and flushing with hydro are two completely different matters. I only speak for hydro when I say it's not necessary... and in fact can hurt your potency.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Again I'll put three questions to the toilet cultivators...

1. How exactly does flushing remove nutrients from the plant? Plants don't store raw chemical nutes nor do they "use them up".

2. How exactly is organic N (for example) any different to say Nitrate Nitrogen once it's been absorbed by the roots and metabolised?

3. Why do tobacco or fruit/veg growers not need to flush their plants but we apparently do?

The flushing thing is illogical, it's starving your plants in their most important phase of life.

No more bullshit and I'm not claiming to know everything, just flushing doesn't logically or scientifically make the slightest lick of sense.
 

RawBudzski

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I see where you're coming from, but instead of leaning totally on.. Flushing wont help, it starves your plant. Why not think positive about your product & promote it as such, especially if using alot of chem nutes. I allow my plants 2-4days of Darkness before I chop, I flush heavily before last lights out. I know for Certain..my bud wont lose potency or gain much in that short period of time.. I know the long darkness may not add many more trichs or make a noticable diff.. but it is nice also Knowing that your bud you smoke had fresh water being ran through it even if for a short period of time before chop. One of those things. Nothing to lose, but you have a chance @ gaining something, even if it is minute.
That's interesting, but incorrect. My leaves are translocating N and are yellowing nicely... and it's not because I'm flushing.

Flushing only makes sense if the plant one day says, "Okay I'm not gonna grow anymore, I'm done, flush me." Now we all know this doesn't happen and the plant tries to grow until the very end. So how does it help anything to starve it? Isn't that like forcing an althete to go exercise in the sun without breakfast?

I used to totally buy into that white ash thing. But the ash is black because the lazy grower used chemical pesticides, not because he didn't flush. In hydro, if you change your water regularly and flush between water changes, you eliminate salt buildup and get clean smoke.

Edit:
Flushing with soil and flushing with hydro are two completely different matters. I only speak for hydro when I say it's not necessary... and in fact can hurt your potency.
aside from that ramble..

When I have my bud around vet growers, when I bring it to the dispense. they always ask that it be flushed properly.
 

lordjin

Well-Known Member
Again I'll put three questions to the toilet cultivators...

1. How exactly does flushing remove nutrients from the plant? Plants don't store raw chemical nutes nor do they "use them up".

2. How exactly is organic N (for example) any different to say Nitrate Nitrogen once it's been absorbed by the roots and metabolised?

3. Why do tobacco or fruit/veg growers not need to flush their plants but we apparently do?

The flushing thing is illogical, it's starving your plants in their most important phase of life.

No more bullshit and I'm not claiming to know everything, just flushing doesn't logically or scientifically make the slightest lick of sense.
I Agree, Harrekin.
 

lordjin

Well-Known Member
I see where you're coming from, but instead of leaning totally on.. Flushing wont help, it starves your plant. Why not think positive about your product & promote it as such, especially if using alot of chem nutes. I allow my plants 2-4days of Darkness before I chop, I flush heavily before last lights out. I know for Certain..my bud wont lose potency or gain much in that short period of time.. I know the long darkness may not add many more trichs or make a noticable diff.. but it is nice also Knowing that your bud you smoke had fresh water being ran through it even if for a short period of time before chop. One of those things. Nothing to lose, but you have a chance @ gaining something, even if it is minute.
Appreciated, but I've not come to my decision based on available information I've read. I've come to my conclusion based on the empirical evidence of my past grows. I've seen a direct link between flushing and reduced quality bud. But as I explained in my journal, my system is hyper accelerated, so even a few days with nothing but water can hurt my plants. The same may not be true for others.
 

Sunbiz1

Well-Known Member
http://shop.hobbylobby.com/products/microscope-set-with-case-717918/ Only 40 bucks, up to 900x power, plenty strong to see bacteria and fungi. Even contains some stain. I never said each and everyone of us could identify exact specimens. But you sure can get a feel for the populations your maintaining. And if the 'bug' gets you then identification of each becomes the next step.......continual learning Barney, continual learning...

Strep under 900x....
Hobby Lobby also carries glass canning jars, they were on sale for a buck each a few weeks ago.
 
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