Flushing tonight but what’s my problem?

BassheadGrowsWeed

BassheadGrowsWeed

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So over the last 48ish hours she’s starting to fade yellow. Feeding regimen is Nectar for the gods basic line, feed feed tea feed feed flush although the last ones have been feed feed tea feed feed feed. She’s in her 4th real week of flower and it’s been 3 feedings since anythings been changed (addition of bloom khaos drench and appropriate Herculean harvest increase) and she didn’t start this until the most recent time. She was under fed two feedings ago due to a miscommunication when I was out of town. Other than that the only change I can think of is a week ago or so I defoliate and within the last week I have re positioned some of the tops so more light is getting down to lower bud sites.
Temps have stayed between 75-85 with rh between 28-42 depending on the day. 5 gallon smart pot 630 draw LED hung about 28” iirc
 

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hotrodharley

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Bernie420 said:
potassium deficincy and probably you could up the mag a smidge.

What ppm are you feeding at?
instead of feeding every time you could just do a watering mixed in there. feed feed water feed water feed feed water.
Get a microbe product use it once a week .
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The use, care and maintenance of the microbial system is so important. Extremely underestimated by inexperienced growers. Overlooked by many experienced growers. Fungal networks are present in almost 90% of plant growing places. Forest included. Mycorrhizae the most prominent. From golf courses to jungles. There’s many products out there and used extensively in agriculture and nurseries and more.

When actual nutrients such as a piece of calcium carbonate were examined under electron microscopes it was noted that holes were bored through the specimen. Many in multiple spots. Research further showed it was fungi doing this. To free it for uptake in the plant the fungus was associated with. The most important mineral they’ responsible for that people will notice is phosphorus.

It’s a subject well worth the time to research for those wanting to greatly expand their knowledge and growing skills.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Also read up about Azos. An entirely different bacterium responsible for nitrogen fixing. This is pretty cool because before you needed a legume or a bunch of lightning strikes to fix nitrogen.

It’s so effective you can veg a huge plant on about a tablespoon of Grow. That’s the brand name. The bacteria has a scientific name.
 
BassheadGrowsWeed

BassheadGrowsWeed

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Bernie420 said:
potassium deficincy and probably you could up the mag a smidge.

What ppm are you feeding at?
instead of feeding every time you could just do a watering mixed in there. feed feed water feed water feed feed water.
Get a microbe product use it once a week .
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I’m not sure what ppm I’m feeding at, I’ve just been following the feeding chart that came with the nutrients, after taking a slurry teat last night my soil ppm was 491 with a ph of 6.41. I feed a microbe tea every 6th time currently
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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BassheadGrowsWeed said:
I’m not sure what ppm I’m feeding at, I’ve just been following the feeding chart that came with the nutrients, after taking a slurry teat last night my soil ppm was 491 with a ph of 6.41. I feed a microbe tea every 6th time currently
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if you can get the slurry test and get a ppm why cant you ppm before you water ?

anyways a slurry test is kind of pointless imo. you got a number of 491, now what, you could do the test again and get a different number then what?

following a feed chart blindly isn't a good idea. those feed charts are for healthy and happy plants that are stress free you dont have that. (and are probably too hot)

excessive salts can and do restrict plant growth and can and will kill your microbes.

On a plus side I dont think your too hot (if you did a slurry test and it just came out to 491 / if you did it right or if it has a merit) just info for you to consider. your plants look good except for the little issue you have.

with that said Im thinking of testing the run off ppms if that was 491 then I would say your ok but idk if a slurry test is the same so what do I know about it but that its silly and kind of useless information for a grower to know.

party on.
 
BassheadGrowsWeed

BassheadGrowsWeed

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Bernie420 said:
if you can get the slurry test and get a ppm why cant you ppm before you water ?

anyways a slurry test is kind of pointless imo. you got a number of 491, now what, you could do the test again and get a different number then what?

following a feed chart blindly isn't a good idea. those feed charts are for healthy and happy plants that are stress free you dont have that. (and are probably too hot)

excessive salts can and do restrict plant growth and can and will kill your microbes.

On a plus side I dont think your too hot (if you did a slurry test and it just came out to 491 / if you did it right or if it has a merit) just info for you to consider. your plants look good except for the little issue you have.

with that said Im thinking of testing the run off ppms if that was 491 then I would say your ok but idk if a slurry test is the same so what do I know about it but that its silly and kind of useless information for a grower to know.

party on.
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I’ve just never stopped and taken the ppm while mixing feedings before, I’ll check it out next feed and see what it is but it’s just something I’ve never thought to do before. Three months into it this is my first real issue everything else has been going all but perfect
 
Bernie420

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BassheadGrowsWeed said:
I’ve just never stopped and taken the ppm while mixing feedings before, I’ll check it out next feed and see what it is but it’s just something I’ve never thought to do before. Three months into it this is my first real issue everything else has been going all but perfect
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Right on ...you have a lot to learn i guess it takes time to absorb all this info about plants and how/what to do.

I do hydro and feed about 450-650ish in veg and 700-1000ish ppm's in flower. Feedings ppm's go up and down by what stage of the plant is and the health of the plant.

I also go by ppm's in relation to my wattage of my light. You wouldnt want to feed 1000 ppms to a plant that has a 250 watt light. If you had a 250 watt light I wouldnt feed it more than 450 ppm's in flower.

So if your 630 led equals to 630 watts idk if it does or if it works like that with leds or maybe your 630 is equivalent to a 1000 watt hps bulb idk but feeding ppms close to the wattage of my bulbs is a rule of thumb I go by. at least not go over the wattage too much.

And if you want to learn how to grow weed faster than just growing weed grow some tomatoes or something and learn that and apply that to your grow.
 
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It looks like calcium deficiency in the first pics... but then the ones you just posted look like serious potassium toxicity? I know excess potassium can cause calcium deficiency, which might explain why they looked so lack luster in the first pic. In either case I would flush and feed with a balanced feed to get them back on track, but thats some serious burn.

Good luck
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Well my take on this is that something is definitely not right. They look overfed with the dark green leaves, burnt and curled tips.

"The overfeeding of any plant food can cause nutrient deficiencies."

I see many people using these "Designer" nutrients having issues with their plants. I rarely see people using just basic nutrients having any issues.

I can't help other than to say they look overfed. You're using an organic nutrient line are you using an organic soil as well? If so the soil you used probably had plenty of nutrients in it already and your "feed feed tea feed feed flush" regimen was too much. If you're in soil I wouldn't give them anything but plain water for awhile. If your using promix then I'd cut the nutrient strength in half and only feed every other watering.

 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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BassheadGrowsWeed said:
Over the last week she got flushed on Friday and then last night she got a microbe tea. She’s been steadily declining and I need help fixing her before she dies
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What medium are you using?

What ppm are you feeding at?

Unless you catch a deficiency right at the beginning of the deficiency, like using a flashlight to look at your leaves, they are not going to come back once they get damaged like yours were. Pick off the bad ones so light gets in there, they are just blocking light for any good leave under them.

I dont understand the need to do all the flushing, you flush when you have a problem which clears out excessive salts and then you can renute and get back on track or you flush at the end of the grow , same reason. You seem to be flushing every week or two. Which is flushing out a lot of your microbes with it.

when you flush how much are we talking about? 15 gallons through a 5 gallon pot or what.
 
BassheadGrowsWeed

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Bernie420 said:
What medium are you using?

What ppm are you feeding at?

Unless you catch a deficiency right at the beginning of the deficiency, like using a flashlight to look at your leaves, they are not going to come back once they get damaged like yours were. Pick off the bad ones so light gets in there, they are just blocking light for any good leave under them.

I dont understand the need to do all the flushing, you flush when you have a problem which clears out excessive salts and then you can renute and get back on track or you flush at the end of the grow , same reason. You seem to be flushing every week or two. Which is flushing out a lot of your microbes with it.

when you flush how much are we talking about? 15 gallons through a 5 gallon pot or what.
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Growing in soil, when I say flush it’s a feeding with just Herculean harvest (liquid bone meal and a calcium source) and Olympus up (ph adjuster and calcium) and slf100. It’s a standard volume feeding not really a true flush. I’m not sure what my ppm is because I’ve never measured I’ve just been following the chart
 

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Bernie420

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BassheadGrowsWeed said:
Growing in soil, when I say flush it’s a feeding with just Herculean harvest (liquid bone meal and a calcium source) and Olympus up (ph adjuster and calcium) and slf100. It’s a standard volume feeding not really a true flush. I’m not sure what my ppm is because I’ve never measured I’ve just been following the chart
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ok so what ppm are you feeding at?
 
Mullalulla

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Bernie420 said:
if you can get the slurry test and get a ppm why cant you ppm before you water ?

anyways a slurry test is kind of pointless imo. you got a number of 491, now what, you could do the test again and get a different number then what?

following a feed chart blindly isn't a good idea. those feed charts are for healthy and happy plants that are stress free you dont have that. (and are probably too hot)

excessive salts can and do restrict plant growth and can and will kill your microbes.

On a plus side I dont think your too hot (if you did a slurry test and it just came out to 491 / if you did it right or if it has a merit) just info for you to consider. your plants look good except for the little issue you have.

with that said Im thinking of testing the run off ppms if that was 491 then I would say your ok but idk if a slurry test is the same so what do I know about it but that its silly and kind of useless information for a grower to know.

party on.
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NFTG is not like other lines, it is not salt based. You are telling him to do stuff that is done with a hydro/ and or salt based feeding system ... NFTG is not like that. Slurry tests are everything for NFTG .. excessive salts ? where ? again you are blindly telling him what to do.
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Mullalulla said:
NFTG is not like other lines, it is not salt based. You are telling him to do stuff that is done with a hydro/ and or salt based feeding system ... NFTG is not like that. Slurry tests are everything for NFTG .. excessive salts ? where ? again you are blindly telling him what to do.
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i dont care if its nftg cbd dog or god or straight organic from his ass he should ppm what he is feeding it.



one fuking time whats the number
 
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