Florida is set to arm teachers

Should teachers have weapons in their classrooms?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 21.4%
  • No

    Votes: 22 78.6%

  • Total voters
    28

Fogdog

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/19/us/boy-shot-sister-over-video-game-trnd/index.html

maybe games make kids more violent, and maybe they don't....but if they aren't, something is...why don't we figure out what the fuck it is and do something about it, instead of having asinine arguments with each other over semantics?
Video games?

holy shit, man. It's a jungle out there. You don't think that the hollowing out of the middle class and worsening conditions for working poor have something to do with it?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Video games?

holy shit, man. It's a jungle out there. You don't think that the hollowing out of the middle class and worsening conditions for working poor have something to do with it?
of course it does. never said it didn't. i'm saying there are a lot of factors that need to be addressed, and we have to identify the worst of them before that can happen. i highly doubts entertainment media is on top of that list...but neither do i doubt its on that list somewhere....
 

Fogdog

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of course it does. never said it didn't. i'm saying there are a lot of factors that need to be addressed, and we have to identify the worst of them before that can happen. i highly doubts entertainment media is on top of that list...but neither do i doubt its on that list somewhere....
All theories are not worthy of serious consideration. Especially when there are no empirical data to back up the claim.

Video games cause gun violence? Then why doesn't it show in the data?


Making guns easily available an common in a society? There is pretty good confirmation that this leads to more gun violence.



The theory about video game violence is a distraction away from real solutions to the problem.

I'm not saying you have bought into this false narrative but am saying it doesn't deserve consideration whatsoever. It's a distraction away from the facts.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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i'm not arguing your second point...if you look back, i've said the same thing the whole thread, and other threads as well....you're the one that seems hung up on the whole video game thing. anytime anyone mentions it to you, you have to tell them that it doesn't happen. i'm not so sure, is all. who is doing the studies you quote? are you sure they aren't showing skewed numbers? it just seems inconceivable to me that young impressionable children can watch the shit that happens in games, and not be effected by it. it just might be that the studies you're quoting may have been done by biased parties? paid to find what they found so the highly lucrative industry could keep making money?.....not saying its so, i just know that there's no fucking way my kids would ever see one of those games till they were at least teenagers, if i wasn't already done with that shit.
 

Fogdog

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i'm not arguing your second point...if you look back, i've said the same thing the whole thread, and other threads as well....you're the one that seems hung up on the whole video game thing. anytime anyone mentions it to you, you have to tell them that it doesn't happen. i'm not so sure, is all. who is doing the studies you quote? are you sure they aren't showing skewed numbers? it just seems inconceivable to me that young impressionable children can watch the shit that happens in games, and not be effected by it. it just might be that the studies you're quoting may have been done by biased parties? paid to find what they found so the highly lucrative industry could keep making money?.....not saying its so, i just know that there's no fucking way my kids would ever see one of those games till they were at least teenagers, if i wasn't already done with that shit.
I'm just saying that the video games thing is a falsehood put out there to distract. It doesn't merit inclusion in the discussion at all. It's effective, though. You keep blabbing about it.

"I'm not so sure, is all"

There you have it. The NRA wins every time somebody brings up a fake alternative for people to latch on to. Lies like this are very effective propaganda. Sorry to hurt your feelings for saying without doubt and posting good information why it is so, that this is fake and propaganda and you promoted it in your reply to me. (well not so sorry, sorry)
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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how does the nra win if i entertain other possible causes? it doesn't change my opinions about guns at all, i feel the same way, whether games have any role in the whole situation or not. games aren't killing people. idiots with guns are killing people.
you seem to like making assumptions about how i feel and what i think. again...if you had read this whole thread, you would know everything i'm saying, i've already said. and just because i entertain a possible cause (out of many, many contributing factors) that you don't agree with doesn't doom the whole cause, and it does not make the nra "win"....
there's a lot of ways to lose, starting with being close minded and dismissive of things because someone else says we should be.
 

PCXV

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how does the nra win if i entertain other possible causes? it doesn't change my opinions about guns at all, i feel the same way, whether games have any role in the whole situation or not. games aren't killing people. idiots with guns are killing people.
you seem to like making assumptions about how i feel and what i think. again...if you had read this whole thread, you would know everything i'm saying, i've already said. and just because i entertain a possible cause (out of many, many contributing factors) that you don't agree with doesn't doom the whole cause, and it does not make the nra "win"....
there's a lot of ways to lose, starting with being close minded and dismissive of things because someone else says we should be.
The NRA puts out nonsense that people want to believe to detract from the core of the problem. They want to derail any train of thought running to the source. When people "consider" the lie, the NRA's propaganda has done its job. It takes a lot of people to intently focus on the evidence for them them to demand and enact change. The NRA wants to prevent that using every tactic possible.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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you don't think very much of me. i feel perfectly able to consider other options without losing my main focus....it's all about the guns, responsible ownership, accountability, and well thought out, well enforced regulations. that's what has to happen to fix anything....looking at root causes is what has to happen to keep it from happening again....because stemming the tide and turning it is two different fights
 

PCXV

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you don't think very much of me. i feel perfectly able to consider other options without losing my main focus....it's all about the guns, responsible ownership, accountability, and well thought out, well enforced regulations. that's what has to happen to fix anything....looking at root causes is what has to happen to keep it from happening again....because stemming the tide and turning it is two different fights
Not true, it's just something to keep in mind. You're right that we should consider factors other than guns; there should always be a grain of truthiness in effective propaganda. It should "sound right" even if it isn't. At the surface it seems plausible, but the evidence just doesn't match up. Whether you fell for the propaganda or not, it seems to have been pretty effective judging but how many people have picked it up and spread it on.
 
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