Florel/optic switch for hermies?

psychadelibud

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I mixed it in many many many ways. The bottle is huge and it's actually my 3rd bottle. And tried many times over 8 years.

If it works perfectly for you I am MORE than willing to try YOUR specific mix. So feel free to instruct

Let me ask you this... Did you test the ph of the solution after you mixed it? And if so, what did you correct the pH to??? This is absolutely the most important part of using Florel. It has to be exact or it likely will definitely NOT work.
 

toomp

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Let me ask you this... Did you test the ph of the solution after you mixed it? And if so, what did you correct the pH to??? This is absolutely the most important part of using Florel. It has to be exact or it likely will definitely NOT work.
I tested the pH I followed instructions here on rollitup. I followed instructions on bottle and talk to reps who make no mention of pH must be exact or it won't work. it doesn't work for what we do. It does what it says abort flowers, and that it did. I have tried 3 huge bottles in many ways. Like I said I used this for years trying to stop extrema from Hermie. But yet again what is YOUR formula as like I said id be willing to try unless it's some kind of secret to you.
 

psychadelibud

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Well no, its obviously not a secret formula and this is what I am not understanding. Is why it is not working for you if you followed directions. Yes, the PH has to be at exactly 4.5 or maybe slightly 4.6 to work correctly. You adjust pH once you have your water, Florel and sticking agent mixed together.

Florel does not stop flowering, if anything it speeds flowering up. It does however stop a plant from bearing fruit, in our case "seeds" and yes it will kill off any hermaphrodite parts. It also will cause pistils to brown early, but this is a normal result from any type of foliar feeding during flowering. It will not harm the plant if recommended dosage is used.

I'm 30 days in flower right this moment, I found a few nanners on a couple cookies crosses and I am.spraying florel tonight. Here is the last crop I used florel on 3 times during flower and it came out top notch...



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toomp

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Well no, its obviously not a secret formula and this is what I am not understanding. Is why it is not working for you if you followed directions. Yes, the PH has to be at exactly 4.5 or maybe slightly 4.6 to work correctly. You adjust pH once you have your water, Florel and sticking agent mixed together.

Florel does not stop flowering, if anything it speeds flowering up. It does however stop a plant from bearing fruit, in our case "seeds" and yes it will kill off any hermaphrodite parts. It also will cause pistils to brown early, but this is a normal result from any type of foliar feeding during flowering. It will not harm the plant if recommended dosage is used.

I'm 30 days in flower right this moment, I found a few nanners on a couple cookies crosses and I am.spraying florel tonight. Here is the last crop I used florel on 3 times during flower and it came out top notch...
this isnt about how great you can grow. This isn't the thread for that. This is about stopping hermies.

It would be better if you posted your Hermie your spraying tonight. Then showed us the said Hermie (shrivel)

I have pH to 4.5 on many different amounts. If you apply as label suggest you will see seeds arnt going to be the fruit. Is the seed of an apple fruit or the apple? Is the seed of a tomato fruit or the tomato. This is jargon you learned from the same thread that made me start with florel many moons ago here. The bud is the fruit. Hence why you just used the term ripens. Our bud ripens, our apples ripen, our tomatoes ripen.

I have mixed florel to the label and sprayed a plant every day. It was a plant I had no intentions on harvesting. As I would never spray a chemical so close to harvest for consumption. I had to stop spraying it because it delayed flowering AS THE LABEL SAID it would. When it began to flower again it hermied I sprayed daily even blasting nanners of with the stream I sprayed so much. It still produced seeds.

So when you are ready post your formula that's obviously not a secret.

And if you want to post pics post the Hermie and it's nanners dying. Because no one has ever done it before. I'm assuming this will not change and I know why.
 

xtsho

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One of the main reasons I grow my own marijuana. I know what has been used on it. No offense but I don't care how nice those buds look. I would never smoke them if I knew they had been sprayed with ethephon or any other stuff for that matter. :spew: I don't trust dispensary weed either. And I'm in Oregon where they supposedly have regulations. The agencies watching over things are about as trustworthy as the FAA or FDA.
 

psychadelibud

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this isnt about how great you can grow. This isn't the thread for that. This is about stopping hermies.

It would be better if you posted your Hermie your spraying tonight. Then showed us the said Hermie (shrivel)

I have pH to 4.5 on many different amounts. If you apply as label suggest you will see seeds arnt going to be the fruit. Is the seed of an apple fruit or the apple? Is the seed of a tomato fruit or the tomato. This is jargon you learned from the same thread that made me start with florel many moons ago here. The bud is the fruit. Hence why you just used the term ripens. Our bud ripens, our apples ripen, our tomatoes ripen.

I have mixed florel to the label and sprayed a plant every day. It was a plant I had no intentions on harvesting. As I would never spray a chemical so close to harvest for consumption. I had to stop spraying it because it delayed flowering AS THE LABEL SAID it would. When it began to flower again it hermied I sprayed daily even blasting nanners of with the stream I sprayed so much. It still produced seeds.

So when you are ready post your formula that's obviously not a secret.

And if you want to post pics post the Hermie and it's nanners dying. Because no one has ever done it before. I'm assuming this will not change and I know why.
Sounds to me that you went a little overboard spraying to much and too often. I mean I have been using Florel for years when needed, do you really think I would keep using it if it were delaying or even destroying my crop??? The whole point of those pics was to show you the crop came out normal and it did not damage it in any form or way. I'm not trying to show off my growing skills. I'm saying my crops grow with or without florel the same exact way, except no worries with hermies using florel. I cannot help that it does not work for you, I get it, I agree... it is very fucking strange isn't it? That it has worked for me for several years yet it does nothing for you.

I have seen several threads here on RIU and on icmag about the use of florel and never once seen anyone have an issue with using it, they are 90% of the time happy with the end results because it cured their problem. The ones that it did not help, simply did something wrong. If it wasn't an error in mixing the solution (which is no secret) then it was likely a grower error, whether it be environmental, feeding, etc...

I told you how I mixed it and it worked for me. There is nothing else I can tell you that will make the formula work. It works for me, it works for countless other growers as well... Reverse, optic foliar switch, they're all the same thing. Only florel is more concentrated and won't steal your money simply because it doesnt have a fancy catchy label and is not marketed for cannabis use..
 
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psychadelibud

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One of the main reasons I grow my own marijuana. I know what has been used on it. No offense but I don't care how nice those buds look. I would never smoke them if I knew they had been sprayed with ethephon or any other stuff for that matter. :spew: I don't trust dispensary weed either. And I'm in Oregon where they supposedly have regulations. The agencies watching over things are about as trustworthy as the FAA or FDA.
The most I have used it, was 3 times in one crop. Week 1, week 2 and 3 of flower. Have you read the studies on Ethephon? It's not really that toxic, the only human risks is in infants less than 1 year old. Especially no risks in trace residual amounts. I have sprayed many times in short sleeves, dont use any eye gear either. Never had burning irritated eyes, no irritation of skin, nothing, nada...

Do you know what is in our food? From the grocery store? I'm sure you dont grow everything you eat, I guess it is possible but risks are much higher in almost any and all foods sold here in America compared to using Ethephon on our flowers.

I can link you studies, if you'd like.
 

xtsho

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The most I have used it, was 3 times in one crop. Week 1, week 2 and 3 of flower. Have you read the studies on Ethephon? It's not really that toxic, the only human risks is in infants less than 1 year old. Especially no risks in trace residual amounts. I have sprayed many times in short sleeves, dont use any eye gear either. Never had burning irritated eyes, no irritation of skin, nothing, nada...

Do you know what is in our food? From the grocery store? I'm sure you dont grow everything you eat, I guess it is possible but risks are much higher in almost any and all foods sold here in America compared to using Ethephon on our flowers.

I can link you studies, if you'd like.
Yes I know what's in our food and I struggle daily to only consume food as "clean" as possible but I know that I'm consuming stuff I don't want to. There may be very minimal risk from ethephon but once you start adding up all the stuff we are exposed to in small amounts it all starts to add up to more than we think. If I could grow and raise my entire food supply I would. Which is why I'm looking at buying some property where I can raise a majority of my food supply. Fortunately the property values have gone up so much where I live that I can sell my "Brady Bunch" neighborhood house and buy 5 acres or more out in the sticks and grow/raise the majority of my food. Plus it gives me a reason to buy a tractor. I have my eye on a John Deere. :bigjoint:

As for that weed you grew, it looks fabulous. It's obvious that you know what your doing. :peace:
 

toomp

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Sounds to me that you went a little overboard spraying to much and too often.
Sounds to me as if you can't read as I stated in the post YOU replied to "low doses does nothing, high doses delays flower"
I mean I have been using Florel for years when needed, do you really think I would keep using it if it were delaying or even destroying my crop???
only you are saying it destroys. Maybe you are lying as you like any of the handful of people never post pics of the product working.
The whole point of those pics was to show you the crop came out normal and it did not damage it in any form or way.
no it was a look at me moment when theirs a thread for that. As no one has mentioned damage but you.

I'm not trying to show off my growing skills. I'm saying my crops grow with or without florel the same exact way, except no worries with hermies using florel.
but yet you like every other 2 or 3 post out there like this have yet to show us a Hermie and this product working on it.

I cannot help that it does not work for you,
What are you talking about? I don't know you. You came in here talking to me. Posting irrelevant pics as proof but missing the proof part that it works. You came to me trying to prove it works. Not the other way around


I have seen several threads here on RIU and on icmag about the use of florel and never once seen anyone have an issue with using it, they are 90%
it's a handful of threads and are very few and far between if you check the dates. People aren't using this shit. Going off the word of someone on the net on boards where people are so quick to show buds but not 1 single picture in one of those threads showing a single nanner dying and that's what's strange. Including yours as you have quickly posted pictures but not of the Hermie you are reversing.

If it where true this off label use was successful this industry in it's entirety would know about it and there would be no hermied. Each and every grow room would be extinct of them. But this isn't the case. Because it doesn't work. For 15 bucks you can save your crop of cookies crosses in a world of cookie crosses and yet no one uses it. why?



I told you how I mixed it and it worked for me. There is nothing else I can tell you that will make the formula work.
you told what you pH to that's it then posted pictures of your room. Feel free to quote your kid you claim you posted.
Someone already posted the thread you got your information from and I tried that as-well.

It works for me, it works for countless other growers as well...
were are they?
They have yet to post pics of it.
 

toomp

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Yes I know what's in our food and I struggle daily to only consume food as "clean" as possible but I know that I'm consuming stuff I don't want to. There may be very minimal risk from ethephon but once you start adding up all the stuff we are exposed to in small amounts it all starts to add up to more than we think. If I could grow and raise my entire food supply I would. Which is why I'm looking at buying some property where I can raise a majority of my food supply. Fortunately the property values have gone up so much where I live that I can sell my "Brady Bunch" neighborhood house and buy 5 acres or more out in the sticks and grow/raise the majority of my food. Plus it gives me a reason to buy a tractor. I have my eye on a John Deere. :bigjoint:

As for that weed you grew, it looks fabulous. It's obvious that you know what your doing. :peace:
Buy organic. They are not allowed to spray this on organic crops.
 

psychadelibud

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Yup, I do have a hermie at day 30 and I did spray lastnight. I was responding to the other dude, telling him the most i have ever sprayed "before" was week 1, 2 and 3. I've sprayed later in flower than week 3 and before, but that particular crop I used a lot, till I found out I didnt have to use but one application and at most 2 to cure the issue...

As for everything else you said... If you have used florel and still having issues with hermies you need to stop growing dude, it's not for you. I only have issues with a few nanners here and there and it's always on new seed runs and always only genetics that are known to carry the trait (chems, cookies, diesels, etc)...

You are a fucking asshole, idiot and you can go along on your way and keep growing hermie trash that you cant even fix. It's not mine, nor anyone else's fault that you piss in your own cheerios simply because you cant grow. Dont tell me you can, if so throw up some pics and let's see those awesome crops your pushing out. Came here originally to try and help you, if I had known you were an asshole just looking to start something with someone because of your grower error, I'd never posted. Have fun with your hermies......

Oh. By the way, not sure if you have a dollar general in your town, stopped by this morning for my wife...but tampons are on sale for a buck 99.... sounds like your ragging heavily. There is no hope for you, you dont have what it takes to be a grower..... I'm not responding to this post anymore and could give two shits less what your uneducated angry ass has to say.... Peace...:peace::finger:
 

toomp

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Yup, I do have a hermie at day 30 and I did spray lastnight. I was responding to the other dude, telling him the most i have ever sprayed "before" was week 1, 2 and 3. I've sprayed later in flower than week 3 and before, but that particular crop I used a lot, till I found out I didnt have to use but one application and at most 2 to cure the issue...
no what you said to him was you don't spray past week 3. But the day before you told him that you had sprayed a month old Hermie. I personally wouldn't trust you and I'm sure you spray up till harvest
As for everything else you said... If you have used florel and still having issues with hermies you need to stop growing dude, it's not for you.
Stop growing because I tested 1 strain that has been discontinued (extrema) because it hermies, hermied?lol Your the one that sprays his whole room. A bit offensive coming from someone with a 3 lighter who sprays chemicals mid flower with a product that has a 30 day half life. But I get it. I caught you lying and you need to attack. It's ok lol

I only have issues with a few nanners here and there
So why do you need to spray your entire room? Lies accumulating like the poison you pushing to your custies.
Here is the last crop I used florel on 3 times during flower and it came out top notch...



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Do they know what's in here?
it's always on new seed runs and always only genetics that are known to carry the trait (chems, cookies, diesels, etc)...
it's because you have shit genetics I have 3 cookie crosses from Archives thats Rock Solid. I got 2 Chem crosses from top dawg that are solid. Even got more cowbell solid.

Nevermind my 1 outdated chem clone from some half ass Dutch breeder that I test on. You are still running bullshit. :)

You are a fucking asshole, idiot and you can go along on your way and keep growing hermie trash
Yet again you spray your entire room because you have hermies

Cat hair terps?
 

toomp

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Don’t think it did a damn thing, hopefully you have better results, but I doubt it. Nanners kept popping up all through the rest of the cycle, and ended with plenty of mature beans.

Has anyone used either of these products for hermies? are they basically the same thing? I ordered a bottle of the florel since its cheaper for now.
It doesn't work look at this crop sprayed and still hermied. Click the pick and take a look it was sprayed all the way up to 13 days before harvest.

Update: Day 44 12/12

I happened to hand around the room this morning till the timer clunked. The HPS lighting always seems to throw off the true view of the room. I have to say the progress is amazing. These buds are swelling so fast and the 413 Chem seems to be a VERY fast finisher. The buds already have that "done" look to them, but the trichs are about 80 to 90% cloudy and about 10% clear.

They are all receiving overdrive now, I cut out the big bud and they only get overdrive, budswell nirvana, Epsom and molasses with a light base nutrient mix, slowly declining the base.

The 413 Chem will be coming down in the next 3 or 4 days. She could be taken right now but I am gonna get 100% cloudy, or at least try... Haha plus I need the funds for @Gu~ April 1st releases, definitely have tobgrab a pack a piece of those S1's...

Ok, on with the the bud porn... These were taken with my cheap phone, the S7 was dead this morning.

Enjoy the bulk!... :bigjoint:


...413 Chem...


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toomp

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You are a fucking asshole, idiot and you can go along on your way and keep growing hermie trash
The irony

MountainBudz;7913022 said:
Have a new grow set up at my new location and just realized I have a pretty ruff light leak. The light leak has been repaired, the plants are starting week 2 of flower or (switch from 12/12). Half are starting to grow sacks. Not a lot but maybe 3 or 4 each plant. Usually I cut them down and throw them away but I have never had this many hermies in one grow and cannot afford to throw them out.
No its nanners, not ball sacks.

I cut two of the Chem 413s down and then I noticed one nanner on the Chem 91 as well... So I stopped. I can't cut my whole crop out.
:lol::lol::lol:

I only have a wek or two left on my indica strains and have one throwing a few nanners but I also have sativas in the room that need a good 4-5 more weeks. Thats what im concerned about dont know wether to try and control the problem or what. Thanks
Year after year you are growing trash


Have fun with your hermies......
Seems like you have been enjoying enough for the both of us. Look at these hermies in the 1st two pics.
Update: Day 44 12/12
. The buds already have that "done" look to them, but the trichs are about 80 to 90% cloudy and about 10% clear.


The 413 Chem will be coming down in the next 3 or 4 days. She could be taken right now but I am gonna get 100% cloudy, or at least try... Haha plus I need the funds for @Gu~ April 1st releases, definitely have tobgrab a pack a piece of those S1's...

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Enjoy the bulk!... :bigjoint:


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That strain ain't done at no damn 44 days. I grew this strain 3 times and each time it went 60ish days.

What happened was you seen them Hermie which you can see in picture 1 and 2 and beginning of seed formation which you see in 3 and 4 and you pulled them early. Regardless of the fact that you just sprayed it with Florel less than 2 weeks before and now you getting them outta there I hope your custy don't have allergies on top of all this, You fed with pgrs. So this shit is just toxic hermi trash
If you have used florel and still having issues with hermies you need to stop growing dude

Yup, I do have a hermie at day 30 and I did spray lastnight. I was responding to the other dude, telling him the most i have ever sprayed "before" was week 1, 2 and 3
Yet here you are another before grow at day 31 this time spraying hermies that ended herming anyway and you had to pull almost a month early to avoid seeds
Update Day 31 12/12
Have not seen anymore nanners since I cut out the true blooms... thank God.

I am going to give them a light foliar of Florel however tonight. Just because I don't see them doesn't mean they're not hidden down inside the buds.
oh but they where still there

Like I said your a liar that sprays toxic and feeds pgrs and I missed that part.


MountainBudz;8222341 said:
I first noticed the nanners on the 413 chem and thought it was strain specific... Then after cutting two down I seen them on a few other plants, not too bad just a few here and there... 413 chem being the worst.

I know what caused the problem, it was a product made by primordial solutions called True blooms. It is a super concentrated product that contains highly concentrated levels of natural PGRs... Once I started applying this product is when I noticed the nanners.
:spew:
Why blame the pgrs? I can see you have always had hermies there's years of you online complaining about them and your last crop had them too. The crop filled with chems and pgrs.


you need to stop growing dude, it's not for you.
Unfortunately things did not work out too well for me this season... I lost EVERYTHING. All my cuts, over $3,500 worth of seeds, half my lights, my $$ etc... I am sure you guys get the hint of "what happened" to me
Does anyone stopping by have any decent cuts they could help a brother out with? If so, PM me. Thanks.
Nope. Nobody wants to send you cuts. Def not the one's you bragged about that you have coming. Cause they aren't coming.
No my friend.....it's not for you.
Looool:dunce::grin:

Moe Funk;8161974 said:
That's funny coming from you bruh. Ain't you that fanboy psychadelibud over on riu? The one on the GP thread bragging about defending Goo's honor on IC? The one who says he stomps all over anyone here who steps outta line and think's he's gonna be banned for it? The one who literally said he want's to give Goo a blowjob cause you like sloppy seconds?

:laughing:

He should rename that strain Nut Rider after reading all those post by you holmes. I haven't seen cock holstering like that since the Rezdog days.
:lol::lol::lol:
 

psychadelibud

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The irony



:lol::lol::lol:


Year after year you are growing trash



Seems like you have been enjoying enough for the both of us. Look at these hermies in the 1st two pics.
That strain ain't done at no damn 44 days. I grew this strain 3 times and each time it went 60ish days.

What happened was you seen them Hermie which you can see in picture 1 and 2 and beginning of seed formation which you see in 3 and 4 and you pulled them early. Regardless of the fact that you just sprayed it with Florel less than 2 weeks before and now you getting them outta there I hope your custy don't have allergies on top of all this, You fed with pgrs. So this shit is just toxic hermi trash




Yet here you are another before grow at day 31 this time spraying hermies that ended herming anyway and you had to pull almost a month early to avoid seeds oh but they where still there

Like I said your a liar that sprays toxic and feeds pgrs and I missed that part.


:spew:
Why blame the pgrs? I can see you have always had hermies there's years of you online complaining about them and your last crop had them too. The crop filled with chems and pgrs.






No my friend.....it's not for you.
Looool:dunce::grin:

:lol::lol::lol:


Wow... Glad I am so popular and that you are so obsessed with me. I always knew I had a stalker around the forums... Good job, you proved nothing. Well, nothing other than your following me around with your nose a quarter inch up my asshole.... How does it smell? So close you can taste it.

Thank you for your investment in me... That means a lot to me, really does..... Oh, and yes Florel works. No I dont use Florel everytime I see a nanner, just when it becomes an issue... No, I have not had any seeds since I have used it. Only time I have seeds is when i am specifically breeding or pollen chucking and obviously would not use it then. Using Florel, I dont care how many nanners you have, your not going to have any seeds in the end.... Period. Unless your Toomp and can't figure out what the hell to do with it and how to use it... Its okay, I realize you struggle. Hang in there son, you will get the hang of it one day... ;) (Listen to dads advice and you will make it son, I swear...)

Oh, let's see your nice setup ya got going and what kind of flower your pushing out of your room... Wait, do you even have a room? A tent even? I bet you don't. I bet your a dreamer with a broken heart, aren't you...? Do you even grow outdoors?? Brahhhh, you don't even grow PERIOD. Want to know how I know so?? Because you can't even use florel correctly LMAO... And if you cant figure that out, you damn sure can't grow.... Sorry :( not sorry...


You have such a fragile ego... I know exactly what set you off... lol and so do you. But who has time to explain all of that when you already know?
:clap::lol::lol::hump:
 
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toomp

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Wow... Glad I am so popular and that you are so obsessed with me. I always knew I had a stalker around the forums... Good job, you proved nothing. Well, nothing other than your following me around with your nose a quarter inch up my asshole.... How does it smell? So close you can taste it.
But you got so upset responded then went back and used the edit button to add more because you are so embarrassed lol don't get upset bro. Unplug that tampon from your ugly smelly slut of a wife of yours so she can flush her funky box and plug your bleeding vagina with it so you can stop crying like the tender little bitch that you are. Lol.

Florel works. No I dont use Florel everytime I see a nanner,
Good for you because you get them every single grow. You'd be broke buying from buying all that crab apple aborter formula and in reality I really don't give a fuck what you do.

chucking and obviously would not use it then. Using Florel, I dont care how many nanners you have, your not going to have any seeds in the end....
harvesting your hermies at day 44 probably had more to do with it than spraying florel looooooool

let's see your nice setup ya got going and what kind of flower your pushing out of your room...
not that Hermie shit you got. I don't even believe you running top dawg as I had the same strain from seed 3 times and not one hermie. You been called out for lying many times. Just say what you really have and that's good enough. Looks more like sannies and purple punch crosses and that's more par the course
 
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psychadelibud

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But you got so upset responded then went back and used the edit button to add more because you are so embarrassed lol don't get upset bro. Unplug that tampon from your ugly smelly slut of a wife of yours so she can flush her funky box and plug your bleeding vagina with it so you can stop crying like the tender little bitch that you are. Lol.


Good for you because you get them every single grow. You'd be broke buying from buying all that crab apple aborter formula and in reality I really don't give a fuck what you do.

harvesting your hermies at day 44 probably had more to do with it than spraying florel looooooool

not that Hermie shit you got. I don't even believe you running top dawg as I had the same strain from seed 3 times and not one hermie. You been called out for lying many times. Just say what you really have and that's good enough. Looks more like sannies and purple punch crosses and that's more par the course
Funny because 413 chem is not from "top dawg" you idiot. Its mycotek gear.... lmao lmao..... jesus fucking christ your stupid ass obviously didnt even run 413. It was a selected clone from a friend out of 36 females, a gift. It was an icmag pass around and it was selected for early finish and had all the goods with it. All chems are hermie probed and are almost usually always sterile.

Go take your retarded ass off your own thread and find some cock to fill that empty void in your gaping asshole and your brainless skull. So now, tell me about that top dawg "413" again.... lol

Still ain't seen one pic from you. Nothing, nada. Your a fake ass troll and you dont know shit about cannabis. Sorry brah....
 
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