Fixing root rot: Hydroguard v Southern Ag Garden Friendly Fungicide

R.Raider

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Ordered a 50g/0.001g scale yesterday. Gonna give the pool shock a shot on all my infected ones(including those cuts I took). If it works, great. if it doesn't I'm working on some new seeds now anyway, so whatever.
 
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R.Raider

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rkymtnman said:
what was your max ppm of free chlorine?

i ran at 3ppm to be in the safe zone for the plants which i've read can handle 5 no issues
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So is a guy suppose to be aiming for free chlorine or total chlorine? Cause when I did my dosage by the posted formula i had 0 free chlorine according the test strips. I had to add way, way, way more just to get a free chlorine reading over 0.
 
R.Raider

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Update: Been a while since dropping an update here.

So I ended up pitching ALL my previous plants(mothers, cuttings, everything) and moved forward with new seedlings after cleaning and disinfecting the shit out of my veg room and all the equipment. Can't lie it fuckin sucked lol.

Unfortunately though last week the rot started creeping back up again on the roots of the new plants. So what I ended up doing was I hauled out some water from the city(i used to live in) and did a res change with it. I am finally happy to report that 4 days later the roots have made a complete recovery and are now booming.

Turns out that the water source(town water) was my problem the entire time. Even after running it through r/o, getting the ppm down to 0, using a UV sterilizer light in my holding tank and adding 2-3ppm of pool shock twice a week, that still was not enough to prevent root rot. Good to finally know ffs lol.

Just wanted to share that update with everyone who has been keeping up with this thread and hopefully my bad experience can help others in the future that run into a similar situation. If moving from the city to the country and you get skunked with root rot, think water source first before fucking around with everything else. Hopefully this advice can help save someone from all the BS I went through.
 
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athomegrowing

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R.Raider said:
Update: Been a while since dropping an update here.

So I ended up pitching ALL my previous plants(mothers, cuttings, everything) and moved forward with new seedlings after cleaning and disinfecting the shit out of my veg room and all the equipment. Can't lie it fuckin sucked lol.

Unfortunately though last week the rot started creeping back up again on the roots of the new plants. So what I ended up doing was I hauled out some water from the city(i used to live in) and did a res change with it. I am finally happy to report that 4 days later the roots have made a complete recovery and are now booming.

Turns out that the water source(town water) was my problem the entire time. Even after running it through r/o, getting the ppm down to 0, using a UV sterilizer light in my holding tank and adding 2-3ppm of pool shock twice a week, that still was not enough to prevent root rot. Good to finally know ffs lol.

Just wanted to share that update with everyone who has been keeping up with this thread and hopefully my bad experience can help others in the future that run into a similar situation. If moving from the city to the country and you get skunked with root rot, think water source first before fucking around with everything else. Hopefully this advice can help save someone from all the BS I went through.
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Try bleach when it happens again. I have a feeling you won the battle, but will lose the war.
 
athomegrowing

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R.Raider said:
Been there, done that.

I feel like the opposite. Already lost the battle but confident I'll win the war now that I know exactly what the cause of the rot was.
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Your hypothesis that it was caused by the water in your local area is probably incorrect. Light leaks, poor sanitation, warm temperatures and low dissolved oxygen are the typical causes.
 
R.Raider

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athomegrowing said:
Your hypothesis that it was caused by the water in your local area is probably incorrect. Light leaks, poor sanitation, warm temperatures and low dissolved oxygen are the typical causes.
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It's not incorrect. In fact I'm currently doing a head to head comparison using both water sources just to make sure and the results speak for themselves. That's how I know for sure. I'll post some pics later, since seeing is believing.

The water source totally makes sense as well. Never even seen rot root for 16 years straight, growing in the city with city water. Since moving to the country and using a different water source I've never not seen it. It's the water.
 
athomegrowing

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R.Raider said:
Took me a looong time to narrow it down because of course common sense says it couldn't be the water at 0ppm. I was wrong though.
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I'm not taking anything you say seriously since you don't even know what infected your plants. You don't know what the problem is, and you're proposing solutions and making definitive statements like you "won the war".

If you insist on being Shitlock Holmes then at least read. Assuming you retain the knowledge you can then rely on facts instead of shitty observations based on dipshit-level mental gymnastics.

The most common pathogens that effect roots in hydroponic production are pythium, phytophthora, fusarium, olpidium, plasmopara, didymella and verticillium. Others have also been reported to cause crop losses; in fact, about 20 fungal, four viral and two bacterial pathogens exist that are commonly associated with root diseases in hydroponic vegetable crops.

Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythiaceae

If you correctly came to the conclusion you're in over your head, and looking like a bird-brain: Where exactly do you live, with enough specificity that I can look up your water reports. I'll do this because I have free time today, not because I think your local water source is actually the problem. I'm positive you are, but I'm helping you narrow things down.
 
R.Raider

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athomegrowing said:
I'm not taking anything you say seriously since you don't even know what infected your plants. You don't know what the problem is, and you're proposing solutions and making definitive statements like you "won the war".

If you insist on being Shitlock Holmes then at least read. Assuming you retain the knowledge you can then rely on facts instead of shitty observations based on dipshit-level mental gymnastics.

The most common pathogens that effect roots in hydroponic production are pythium, phytophthora, fusarium, olpidium, plasmopara, didymella and verticillium. Others have also been reported to cause crop losses; in fact, about 20 fungal, four viral and two bacterial pathogens exist that are commonly associated with root diseases in hydroponic vegetable crops.

Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythiaceae

If you correctly came to the conclusion you're in over your head, and looking like a bird-brain: Where exactly do you live, with enough specificity that I can look up your water reports. I'll do this because I have free time today, not because I think your local water source is actually the problem. I'm positive you are, but I'm helping you narrow things down.
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Yeesh, not sure why you're getting all rude and hurling insults now.

How am i in over my head? I'll just keep hauling out the city water for now on. Boom, problem solved. Again no need to be rude here.
 
athomegrowing

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R.Raider said:
Yeesh, not sure why you're getting all rude and hurling insults now.

How am i in over my head? I'll just keep hauling out the city water for now on. Boom, problem solved. Again no need to be rude here.
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You're on a forum soliciting advice and knowledge, yet unreceptive. Your focus on your hurt fee-fee's instead of the content and context of my posts proves you're a dipshit.
 
R.Raider

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On Saturday this plant had no protruding roots and the ones inside the pot were all turning brown and barely growing. This is the recovery 5 days later with the city water. The other plant that I'm still using the other water on still has no protruding roots and the ones inside the pot are still brown. Say what you want pal but seeing is believing. I could care less what you think, I'll stick to what results tell me.
 
athomegrowing

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R.Raider said:
I used a fresh res on both of them smart guy. Jesus.
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Unfortunately though last week the rot started creeping back up again on the roots of the new plants. So what I ended up doing was I hauled out some water from the city(i used to live in) and did a res change with it. I am finally happy to report that 4 days later the roots have made a complete recovery and are now booming.
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Ok let's be objective thinkers:

- You took 2 plants with root rot.
- You topped-off one with more nutrients, and left it in the old water.
The old water is still teaming with your infection. It will never naturally fix itself, so I don't know what you were expecting to see when using this as a control. It's really retarded, I hope you understand. Are you even running a bubbler in the old bucket? Did you clean again before starting this new test? I don't think you did, but whatever. You're probably a slob but we'll go the scientific route.

- You put the other in to city water.

While switching to city water you:
Introduced a fresh water source
Introduced a source of chlorine and chloramine, temporary disinfectants.
Increased the DO of the water while agitating it.
Possibly lowered the temperature of the water, albeit temporarily.
Possibly ph'd and set the feed properly.

The city water probably has chlorine and/or chloramine (These stick around up to 5 hours once exiting the municipal system, and that chloramine breaks down to hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which releases chlorine and oxygen).

The infection on the roots of the plant that you introduced to the new environment if anything was temporarily haulted. Temperature changed, chlorine, whatever environmental variable that changed between the old and new is what has halted the issue.

Since you introduced the plant with the infection on the roots to the new environment, you will see it again once the environment is appropriate - probably within a few days.
 
R.Raider

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athomegrowing said:
Ok let's be objective thinkers:

- You took 2 plants with root rot.
- You topped-off one with more nutrients, and left it in the old water.
The old water is still teaming with your infection. It will never naturally fix itself, so I don't know what you were expecting to see when using this as a control. It's really retarded, I hope you understand. Are you even running a bubbler in the old bucket? Did you clean again before starting this new test? I don't think you did, but whatever. You're probably a slob but we'll go the scientific route.

- You put the other in to city water.

While switching to city water you:
Introduced a fresh water source
Introduced a source of chlorine and chloramine, temporary disinfectants.
Increased the DO of the water while agitating it.
Possibly lowered the temperature of the water, albeit temporarily.
Possibly ph'd and set the feed properly.

The city water probably has chlorine and/or chloramine (These stick around up to 5 hours once exiting the municipal system, and that chloramine breaks down to hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which releases chlorine and oxygen).

The infection on the roots of the plant that you introduced to the new environment if anything was temporarily haulted. Temperature changed, chlorine, whatever environmental variable that changed between the old and new is what has halted the issue.

Since you introduced the plant with the infection on the roots to the new environment, you will see it again once the environment is appropriate - probably within a few days.
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Wow, speaking of "stubbornly retarded" lol. Which part of using a fresh res for both of them did you not understand? I did not "topped-off one with more nutrients, and left it in the old water." Holy cow this guy lol.
 
athomegrowing

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R.Raider said:
Wow, speaking of "stubbornly retarded" lol. Which part of using a fresh res for both of them did you not understand? I did not "topped-off one with more nutrients, and left it in the old water." Holy cow this guy lol.
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Ok, if you say so. Can you take your adderall so you can continue reading, or have you already blown through the months supply?
 
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