First Time Pedro

I have a 3ft cutting with about a 2 1/2in-3in diameter. I was going to make a tea using this method
http://forums.mycotopia.net/holding-tank/45397-irishlions-cactus-tea-tek.html#post626837
And I was wondering how much I should use for a first trip? I am 5'11 185, I have never done any hallucinatory substances before other than smoking copious amounts of marijuana. I am going to do it while out hiking early in the morning. I am really excited

I used the search function but I just wanted to make sure my first time goes well. Thanks!

i would say like 18 inches for a good trip, its gonna be nasty

if you make the tea, its 90% of the work of doing a full on mescaline extraction.... you just need a few drops of pool acid, some xyleen from the paint dept and some lye...

Extraction is the way to go... and it is fun!

Hmm, I was thinking about an extraction...but I kinda want to do it the "natural" way. Pool acid...that kinda scares me

yeah, my basic guidelines for ANY drug/ substance, is no synthetic, so me personally? i wouldnt use any pool acid

Well, pool acid extraction isn't realy sythetic, the same chemical that was in the plant is now in your dish and finally in your stomach.

I get what you're saying, but it still kinda freaks me out lol. For my first time I will pro just do the tea, then once I get more into it start making extractions. Does anyone have a link to the extraction method?

Well there is a catch Nocturnal. I have done the traditional extraction from San Pedro but I did it the old fashioned way and my yield was shit. The reason for that is the slime. You couldn't get away from the slime even when you used finely ground absolutely dry powder. The slime creates a matrix that keeps you from being able to do a separation. Now the old way of doing this requires that you baseify your cactus water after you have added the powdered cactus (and of course that is where the slime comes in). I bumped into a tek that claims that if you basify the liquid before you add the cactus, the slime problem is eliminated. I'm sorry but I don't know where the hell that tek is. I have been meaning to try it again but one doesn't get much cactus often and my endeavors have taken me in another direction entirely. It is one that uses strange chemicals but in ultra minute doses. I will not eat San Pedro cactus again, I get a little green just thinking about it - gack. I believe that the reason this plant was never made illegal is because everyone knows one has to be damn dedicated to choke down an active dose.



Yuck.

Derple said:

yeah, my basic guidelines for ANY drug/ substance, is no synthetic, so me personally? i wouldnt use any pool acid

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Dude you use like 5 drops (literaly) mixed in water, it is just hydrogen and chlorine... lots of the shit in your stomach allready.

Use fresh cactus, boil slowly and stir well and most of the slime dissapears.

ANC said:

Dude you use like 5 drops (literaly) mixed in water, it is just hydrogen and chlorine... lots of the shit in your stomach allready.

Use fresh cactus, boil slowly and stir well and most of the slime dissapears.

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I thought it over but had to go to work before I could post. I smoke cigs on occasion and drink tapwater...there is definitely some bad shit in there. I shouldn't be worried about a little pool acid lol. But still, for my first time I want to take the trip like they would in a tribe or what have you. So I will make my tea tomorrow or thurs, hopefully I can get some pics up..and do it thurs or fri morning. If all goes well and I enjoy it, I will try an extraction next time.

i havce gone through this process before and it is ver very long process... i had about one hundred cuttings that size and in the end had about seven grams of mesculine...not very much for three hundred pounds of cactus..... i think that if you make tea out of a cutting that smalll....nothing will happen

Lol dude, you should at a bare minimum get like a gram out of every kilo....
Remember to keep doing saltings (washing with the acidified water (your dentist puts stronger acid in your mouth when you go for fillings...), until no more mescaline residue stays after evaporation.
Also most people overcook the cacti, a gentle heating, 30 minutes for first wash, 45, for second and 1 hour for third, reduce batches seperately before continueing with the batch together.

Is it ok if I use cheese cloth to strain? Like it wont soak up the good stuff? lol. I know, stupid question

I bought a 4' section bout a month ago. Made some cactus jerky and ground it up. I got 25 grams that I then put in #0 capsules.
I havent done it yet but cant wait.
I have heard indifferent things about the tea method. The strength of san pedro has a pretty wide range.
But buddy made the tea with 18" of cactus, used the whole thing. It didnt work for him.
If you dont want to do extraction, make some cactus jerky and chow down.
Ive read that 25 grams of ground cactus skin is a good trip. But 40 would be even better.

I made a wrong turn somewhere. I thought this thread was first time pedo. Where's all the nudie pix at? I'm really disappointed.

Isn`t doing 3 alcohol pulls on the cacti powder and evaporating the green alcohol, getting the sludge, putting in capsules or not and swallowing a way to do it? Though with all the unsynthetic talk, I think your worrying about nothing dude, seriously.. Pool acid=Hydrochloric Acid, Bile juice=Hydrochloric acid (like ANC said) 3 drops of HCl is no way bad as drinking 500 mls of coca cola...

Has anyone tried the lazyman alcohol thing?

In fact pool acid is only 30% acid and 70% water, as pure HCl is a gas.

Ok, so I never ended up doing the Pedro, some stuff came up. But I am finally going to do it this weekend! Here are some pics. Going off of the pics, how much should I use? I was just going to cut the tip off(for rooting) and use the rest. Would that be too much? Mind you, it has been under my bed for almost a year.




I'm realllllly excited. I was grinning ear to ear reading peoples trip reports.

To avoid the slimy shit start your extraction with a defatting step. A basic extraction would go like this.
1) cover cactus powder in water, note how much you use, drop to pH 3
2) add an equal volume of nonpolar solvent, mix thoroughly
3) filter mixture and save cactus material for a second extraction (skip defatting steps in second extract)
4) separate and chuck organic layer
5) raise pH to 11.5-12, add nonpolar solvent, shake
6) separate, rinse aqueous layer 3x25mL nonpolar solvent
From here we can proceed in 2 ways, using HCl gas or con HCl
Con HCl
7) add a few drops of HCl to organic layer, you'll see a white precipitate form, some will redisolve in the aqueous layer, rinse with small volume of dilute HCl, separate then rinse organic layer 3x with dilute HCl.
evaporate water, collect crude mescaline
9) recrystalize from acetone
Dry HCl
7) Bubble dry HCl through organic layer for 20 mins or so
filter to collect crude mescaline
9) run dry HCl through the organic layer again until no more crystals appear.
10) recrystalize the crude product
Some notes on this: HCl gas is very dangerous, if you aren't certain you have the know how and the equipment to use it safely don't do it. Wear proper personal protective equipment including glasses and gloves (8mil nitriles are great for extractions). A sep funnel makes this a billion times easier. Right now Lab Safety Supply (LSs.com) is having a sale so stock up on gloves. American Science and Surplus (sciplus.com) is a great source for lab gear. Although they're out of sep funnels ATM