First PC Grow - Need your solid advice!

Ogonzo said:

Hi Emann,
Thanks! That's the chart I was referring.
I kinda was hoping to get a second set of eyes on this.
Time to put on some research glasses!!

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as a second pair of eyes, I would say ur correct, phosphorous deficiency, Problems with Phosphorus being locked out by PH troubles
Cold wet soils, acid or very alkaline soils, compacted soil.

Soil

Phosphorus gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
Phosphorus is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-7.5 (wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus deficiency.

Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Phosphorus gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 6.0-8.5.
Phosphorus is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 5.8. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus Deficiency.

Solution to fixing a Phosphorus deficiency
Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Any chemical or organic fertilizers that have Phosphorus in them will fix a Phosphorus deficiency. If you have a phosphorus deficiency you should use any N-P-K ratio that is over 5.Again Peters all purpose 20-20-20 is a good mix. Miracle grow Tomato plant food, Miracle grow All purpose plant food (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Other forms of phosphorus supplements are: Bone meal, which is gradual absorption, I suggest making it into a tea for faster use, where bone/blood meal is slow acting, but when made into a tea it works quicker! Fruit eating bat guano, which is fast absorption, Worm castings, which is gradual absorption, Fish meal, which is medium absorption, Soft Rock Phosphate, which is medium absorption, Jamaican or Indonesian Guano, which is fast absorption. Crabshell, which is slow absorption. Tiger Bloom , which is fast absorption.

Here is a list of things to help fix a Phosphrous Deficiency.

Chemical

Advanced nutrients Bloom (0-5-4)
Vita Bloom (0-7-5)
BC Bloom (1.1-4.4-7)
GH Flora Bloom (0-5-4)
GH Maxi Bloom (5-15-14)
GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7)
Dyna-Gro Bloom (3-12-6)
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom (2-8-4)
Awsome Blossums

Organic

Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom (4-3-6)
Advanced Nutrients Mother Earth Bloom (.5-1.5-2)
Fox Farm Big Bloom (.01-.3-.7)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
Pure Blend Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Pure Blend Pro Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Buddswell (0-7-0)
Sea Island Jamaican Bat Guano (1-10-0)
Indonesian Bat Guano (0-13-0)
Rainbow Mix Bloom (1-9-2)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
BIO BLOOM (2-6-3.5)
AGE OLD BLOOM (5-10-5)
ALASKA MORBLOOM (0-10-10)
METANATURALS ORGANIC BLOOM (1-5-5)

Any of these will cure your phosphorus deficiency. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will appear normal.

Now if you added to much chemical ferts and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.

Ogonzo said:

Hi Emann,
Thanks! That's the chart I was referring.
I kinda was hoping to get a second set of eyes on this.
Time to put on some research glasses!!

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start with ur ph soil level first, get that right and ur problem will most likely be solved, as u r not in flower yet I`m sure she will recover naturally, if not then follow previous post............good luck

Thanks for the kind advice.
I'm using Cyclorganic as my ferts. The guys at my hydroshop said that they worked very good and the evidence of his plants were amazing. The problem is .. I can't find any information on this. I sent them an email so hopefully I'll get an answer soon.

On a separate judgement, my cab that I'm building from a dresser is really cheap wood - it's not solid at all, so I'm thinking that noise is going to be an issue. Any thoughts on lining the cab walls with styrofoam insulation to cut down noise? Do you think this might keep the heat in a little too much?

I don't know how much budget you have for deadning the sound, but dynamat won't decrease your space a lot and will work

I can live with losing a couple of inches, in fact, it might help withe way the dresser is made.
I'll definitely check it out.
Thanks.

Ok, so I sent an email to the company that made Cyclorganic since I wasn't really able to find much information on it and I got an email back and they asked me to give him a call - wow!
So the deal is that I was to mix the fert into the soil when mixing and using straight water. I didn't do this and only made a tea at quarter strength. At that point, I can add a tea ever two weeks or so. Since this is a powder, a lot of the nutrients do not get dissolve and should be mixed into the soil when watering them - again, I didn't do this.
It's probably a good thing that I'm transplanting soon and will be able to get this up to par shortly.

My advice on stealth grows is KISS....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!
My clones are done in rockwool, then transplanted in a soilless mix of coco peat, perlite and a little worm castings(max 1 tsp of worm castings per pot). I only give them fresh H20 and the worm casting do the rest.
At week 4 they are re-potted into a mix with a little potting soil, same soilless mix as before with fresh castings, plus a little lime sulphur or volcanic dust(any mineral supplement)all these are mixed in the soil and the plants only require fresh H20.
When they enter flowering they are re-potted into a soilless mix containing worm casting, a slow release Posphorus mix and some bird guano. Again the plants will only need fresh H20.
I do a little foliar feeding in the first 2 weeks of flowering with a home brewed tea.
The only other thing i do is use a little mollassas during flowering. It helps speed up the microbial work in the soil, thus getting more nutrients to the plant.

Mixing liquid fertilizer on such a small scale is setting yourself up for trouble. Those sorts of fertilizers can build up in soil and eventually block nutrients getting to your plant.
Make a good base soil with coco peat, perlite and some worm castings. This should be mixed at least a week before you need to pot your plants. Then all you do is adjust the mix as you need it....add a little P for flowering, or some N for vegging.
Never over-do organics. A little goes a long way....

Hmm didnt read the whole thread so dont know if this was said but dont grow in clear containers its not good for the roots.

TokaLot said:

Hmm didnt read the whole thread so dont know if this was said but dont grow in clear containers its not good for the roots.

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Well said....

View attachment 2703732This is what my perpetual grow looked like before i converted to stealth. These are a little large for a PC grow, but it gives you an idea....The lights used were 4x 600mm T8's. I used to move 3 plants 'up' for this grow. Harvested 3 plants every month. +- 100g dry every month Ignore the Mc Gyver newspaper screen....

alusash said:

My advice on stealth grows is KISS....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!

... rockwool... soilless mix.. coco peat.. perlite.. worm castings.. fresh H20.. a little potting soil... soilless mix... fresh castings... lime sulphur... volcanic dust... worm casting... a slow release Posphorus mix... some bird guano... a little foliar feeding... a home brewed tea.. a little mollassas...

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Hahaha... Sorry alusash, it just made me laugh... I'm all for keep it simple, but that sounds like our versions of 'simple' are waaaay outa whack.
My version of KISS is more like 'Water soil once ever 3-4 days' Job done.

No offence dude.

mewk69 said:

Hahaha... Sorry alusash, it just made me laugh... I'm all for keep it simple, but that sounds like our versions of 'simple' are waaaay outa whack.
My version of KISS is more like 'Water soil once ever 3-4 days' Job done.

No offence dude.

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None taken.
But there is simple, and there is lazy.
Buying pre-mixed potting soils from your local HS and just giving your plant H20 will get u bud,
but it won't get you bud like this....All these buds were produced using the soil methods described by me!

hey alusash, have u checked out mewk`s grow? I gotta say for a micro grow, his buds look remarkably similar to the pics above. good luck and happy growing

emannn2010 said:

hey alusash, have u checked out mewk`s grow? I gotta say for a micro grow, his buds look remarkably similar to the pics above. good luck and happy growing

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Have been watching his grow.
Very impressive PC seed/clone - bud grow.
All the plants in my photo's were budded under a 150W MH and a 250W HPS so you can't compare bud.
I'm just showing what can be done with very little effort from a fertilizer point of view. A simple homemade soilless mix and H20 and you are growing top quality buds.
Forget the chemical fertilizers and mixing ratio's. On a small scale is asking for trouble.

mewk69 said:

Hahaha... Sorry alusash, it just made me laugh... I'm all for keep it simple, but that sounds like our versions of 'simple' are waaaay outa whack.
My version of KISS is more like 'Water soil once ever 3-4 days' Job done.

No offence dude.

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You don't use any nutes??

No real update today.
The girls are in the same state as yesterday. I worked on my cab last night and was back up at 530 this morning working on it.
I've got the fan in, I added insulation for added soundproofing since the walls of the dresser were really thin. I put together my light trap for the fan, put together my hanging light and now I'm just laying my mylar.
I'm going to repot the girls tonight regardless if the cab is done. I don't think one night of light interuption from the normal light cycle. I'll worry about cosmetics (outside) later.
I'll post some pics later tonight.

The dresser is about 35 inches tall, and my light fixture is slim, about the width of a cfl, should I use a 5gal or a 10gal pot?

To everyone who commented, thank you and keep it up. It means a lot.

@alusash
Yeh, not sure of the relevance of the pics really. As I'm thinking a 250w hps does more than its fair share of getting nice dense buds. But I'll take your point. I was however just making a gentle jibe at your 'simple' solution.

Ogonzo said:

You don't use any nutes??

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Not really man, I've got some basic tomatoe nutes that I'm gonna use once in a while on a really low dose. But no, I can't be doing with that, there's too much to be in control of. Next thing you've got nute burn and then diagnosing where you went wrong. It's a plant, it needs water, it needs soil and it needs some love. I'm happy where I am at the moment. Sure, my buds might not be up to the standard of Alusash, but I'm growing mine inside a pc, under 69w of CFL, rather a MH / HPS setup.

Man .. I'm really not sure what I should do .. lol ..

Ogonzo said:

Man .. I'm really not sure what I should do .. lol ..

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hey Ogonzo, go with the 5g, u can always upgrade to 10g if needed. making good progress. good luck and happy growing

Thanks Emann.
I'll post pics tonight of everything.