First No-Till SOG Indoor Grow

• Base Soil:
• 2 CuFt Sphagnum moss
• 1 CuFt Pumice
• 1 CuFt lava rock
• 1 CuFt Modern Beginning charged Biochar (thick pieces)
• 1 CuFt Rice Hulls
• 2 CuFt Humus composed of 1/3 Compost(Olly Mountain or Malibu Compost) and 2/3 EWC, and
• If on hand throw in a few handfuls some probiotic herbs – comfrey, nettle, dandelion, etc..

• Amendments:
• 1/2 cup organic Neem meal
• 1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
• 1/2 cup organic Crustacean meal
• 1/2 cup organic insect frass
• 1/3 cup Gro-Kashi
• 1/3 cup Karanja Meal
• 1/4 cup of fish bone meal
• 1/16th cup of Modern Microbes
• 3 cups of some Rock/Mineral Mix
• (Per cu.Ft of Base Soil)

• (Rock/Mineral Mix)
• 2 part Oyster Shell Flour
• 2 part Gypsum
• 1 parts Glacial Rock Dust
• 1 part Basalt
• 1 part Calcium Bentonite

Fallback420 said:

I've been gardening for years with hydroponics and just recently decided to give no till a shot after seeing how cost effective it can be, especially if your looking at commercial applications. My last grow i went out and got two of Fluence Bioengineering's Spyder 2p lights, one of which i will be using over a Grassroots 4 x 4 living soil fabric bed. I recently was reading online about how people say starting seed in super soil is a bad idea because the soil is " too hot ", well it worked for me and i just used the soil mix on Buildasoil and Modern Cannabist website - right now 3/4 seeds have popped after a 24 hr soak in tap water.

Veg - T5 - Sunblaze Hight Output - 6 Lamp
Power consumption - 324 Watts

Lights - Flower
Spyder 2p - Power consumption (watts): 645
PPF: 1600 µmol/s

Modern Mix 2.0

• Base Soil:
• 2 CuFt Sphagnum moss
• 1 CuFt Pumice
• 1 CuFt lava rock
• 1 CuFt Modern Beginning charged Biochar (thick pieces)
• 1 CuFt Rice Hulls
• 2 CuFt Humus composed of 1/3 Compost(Olly Mountain or Malibu Compost) and 2/3 EWC, and
• If on hand throw in a few handfuls some probiotic herbs – comfrey, nettle, dandelion, etc..

• Amendments:
• 1/2 cup organic Neem meal
• 1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
• 1/2 cup organic Crustacean meal
• 1/2 cup organic insect frass
• 1/3 cup Gro-Kashi
• 1/3 cup Karanja Meal
• 1/4 cup of fish bone meal
• 1/16th cup of Modern Microbes
• 3 cups of some Rock/Mineral Mix
• (Per cu.Ft of Base Soil)

• (Rock/Mineral Mix)
• 2 part Oyster Shell Flour
• 2 part Gypsum
• 1 parts Glacial Rock Dust
• 1 part Basalt
• 1 part Calcium Bentonite

Buildasoil - 12 Seed Cover Crop Mix planted

Worms - 3,000 Red Wigglers
European Night crawlers - 1,500
My next order will be for beneficial insects and nematodes from buildasoil

Two avocados applied - I heard they group and breed quicker.

This is going to be a learning experience, so please sit back and enjoy. The next watering in a day or so will be with homemade EM-1 ( Labs from kefir milk, all lactobacillus and yeast are equal, right? ) ill also be adding a good dosage of Great White Shark for a mycorrhizal presence.

Right now i'm trying to decide on going 1 or 4 plants per square foot, if i do the four plants ill train for just a single cola while 1 plant would have 3-6. Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences doing this? what will yields look like? 4 / sq ft at 22 grams each for 3 lbs or 1 /sq ft at 80 grams each for 3 lbs in a 4 x 4.

I would see 2.25-2.75 as an acceptable outcome for production.

The wood table is just a fill in while i get my flood tray cleaned. The goal here is to raise these pheno's to mother plant sizes in 5 gallon pots and then flower clones in the 4 x 4 bed.

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Hot Diggity Sog said:

Been thinking of doing something very similar!
Is your fabric bed sitting directly on the concrete?
I'll be watching.

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Fallback420 said:

Yeah, I watched this facility in Nevada doing living soil beds and they had their just sitting directly on concrete so I mimic'd them - I have seen people build rolling racks for the beds to sit on and its something I wish I did now that the bed weighs 2000lbs and cant be moved.

The only shitty part is my light placement, when the bed got filled one of my helpers moved it slightly when loading the " super soil " and now it sits a little cockeyed and it's impossible to move back.... learning curve 1, fallback 0 lol

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Hot Diggity Sog said:

What is your strategy for watering and run-off? If and when you get run-off, is it just going onto the floor?

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Fallback420 said:

Hey guys its been a bit, so a just over a week has past since the start of this thread and i have to say the seedlings are off to a good start. For right now ill only be posting about once a week till the real fun begins...

The Living Soil Bed:

The living soil bed really kicked it into high gear after I watered last Thursday with 200x aloe flakes - a lot of the cover crop sprouted in the next 24 hours. I'm still trying to figure out when I need to water the big bed since there since there's only sprouts drinking. I'm just keeping the top moist for the cover crop and worms, I would hope my next watering is in the next 8-10 days ( from last Thursday ) but I don't know how to tell it needs water without digging a hole and feeling the moisture content.

Any thoughts from an experience living soil grower?

Do I let the top 1-2 inches dry out like normal soil with bottled nutes?

Anywhoo.....

The Veg Tent:

I've moved the T5 down to about 24" away from the seedlings and im dropping it each day till i get to 12". I had it too close and i think i burned a hole in the leaf due to a lensing effect from water. At least i think so. i haven't seen any pest yet.

The seedling leaves are showing some twisting which i'm going to assume is me over watering the little buggers - I'm still trying to figure out a nice moisture level for the solo cups and, just, living soil in general. Our VPD is way off and that is slowing the growth of the plants so i'm trying to get a humidifier for the room but i'm not sure how well its going to work; drawing in low humidity air from the outside is really killing me. I've left standing water in the room since it warm hoping that it would evaporate but i'm not having any luck there. I keep the tops of the solo cups moist ( it drys out a little bit )in order to promote microbe life even though the cups are little. Due to the twisting i'm going to let the lil guys dry more than i have been in hopes of correcting what i believe to be an over watering issue. I know, I know i still got that piece of plywood in the veg room - works been crazy busy ( I was traveling last week ) so its my goal this weekend to do the swap and get out and enjoy some of the last great days of summer. Here's a glimpse from the top of my world - one of the smaller ones actually lol.

Never. Stop. Exploring

Never. Stop. Learning

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Fallback420 said:

I've been gardening for years with hydroponics and just recently decided to give no till a shot after seeing how cost effective it can be, especially if your looking at commercial applications. My last grow i went out and got two of Fluence Bioengineering's Spyder 2p lights, one of which i will be using over a Grassroots 4 x 4 living soil fabric bed. I recently was reading online about how people say starting seed in super soil is a bad idea because the soil is " too hot ", well it worked for me and i just used the soil mix on Buildasoil and Modern Cannabist website - right now 3/4 seeds have popped after a 24 hr soak in tap water.

Veg - T5 - Sunblaze Hight Output - 6 Lamp
Power consumption - 324 Watts

Lights - Flower
Spyder 2p - Power consumption (watts): 645
PPF: 1600 µmol/s

Modern Mix 2.0

• Base Soil:
• 2 CuFt Sphagnum moss
• 1 CuFt Pumice
• 1 CuFt lava rock
• 1 CuFt Modern Beginning charged Biochar (thick pieces)
• 1 CuFt Rice Hulls
• 2 CuFt Humus composed of 1/3 Compost(Olly Mountain or Malibu Compost) and 2/3 EWC, and
• If on hand throw in a few handfuls some probiotic herbs – comfrey, nettle, dandelion, etc..

• Amendments:
• 1/2 cup organic Neem meal
• 1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
• 1/2 cup organic Crustacean meal
• 1/2 cup organic insect frass
• 1/3 cup Gro-Kashi
• 1/3 cup Karanja Meal
• 1/4 cup of fish bone meal
• 1/16th cup of Modern Microbes
• 3 cups of some Rock/Mineral Mix
• (Per cu.Ft of Base Soil)

• (Rock/Mineral Mix)
• 2 part Oyster Shell Flour
• 2 part Gypsum
• 1 parts Glacial Rock Dust
• 1 part Basalt
• 1 part Calcium Bentonite

Buildasoil - 12 Seed Cover Crop Mix planted

Worms - 3,000 Red Wigglers
European Night crawlers - 1,500
My next order will be for beneficial insects and nematodes from buildasoil

Two avocados applied - I heard they group and breed quicker.

This is going to be a learning experience, so please sit back and enjoy. The next watering in a day or so will be with homemade EM-1 ( Labs from kefir milk, all lactobacillus and yeast are equal, right? ) ill also be adding a good dosage of Great White Shark for a mycorrhizal presence.

Right now i'm trying to decide on going 1 or 4 plants per square foot, if i do the four plants ill train for just a single cola while 1 plant would have 3-6. Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences doing this? what will yields look like? 4 / sq ft at 22 grams each for 3 lbs or 1 /sq ft at 80 grams each for 3 lbs in a 4 x 4.

I would see 2.25-2.75 as an acceptable outcome for production.

The wood table is just a fill in while i get my flood tray cleaned. The goal here is to raise these pheno's to mother plant sizes in 5 gallon pots and then flower clones in the 4 x 4 bed.

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Fallback420 said:

I've been gardening for years with hydroponics and just recently decided to give no till a shot after seeing how cost effective it can be, especially if your looking at commercial applications. My last grow i went out and got two of Fluence Bioengineering's Spyder 2p lights, one of which i will be using over a Grassroots 4 x 4 living soil fabric bed. I recently was reading online about how people say starting seed in super soil is a bad idea because the soil is " too hot ", well it worked for me and i just used the soil mix on Buildasoil and Modern Cannabist website - right now 3/4 seeds have popped after a 24 hr soak in tap water.

Veg - T5 - Sunblaze Hight Output - 6 Lamp
Power consumption - 324 Watts

Lights - Flower
Spyder 2p - Power consumption (watts): 645
PPF: 1600 µmol/s

Modern Mix 2.0

• Base Soil:
• 2 CuFt Sphagnum moss
• 1 CuFt Pumice
• 1 CuFt lava rock
• 1 CuFt Modern Beginning charged Biochar (thick pieces)
• 1 CuFt Rice Hulls
• 2 CuFt Humus composed of 1/3 Compost(Olly Mountain or Malibu Compost) and 2/3 EWC, and
• If on hand throw in a few handfuls some probiotic herbs – comfrey, nettle, dandelion, etc..

• Amendments:
• 1/2 cup organic Neem meal
• 1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
• 1/2 cup organic Crustacean meal
• 1/2 cup organic insect frass
• 1/3 cup Gro-Kashi
• 1/3 cup Karanja Meal
• 1/4 cup of fish bone meal
• 1/16th cup of Modern Microbes
• 3 cups of some Rock/Mineral Mix
• (Per cu.Ft of Base Soil)

• (Rock/Mineral Mix)
• 2 part Oyster Shell Flour
• 2 part Gypsum
• 1 parts Glacial Rock Dust
• 1 part Basalt
• 1 part Calcium Bentonite

Buildasoil - 12 Seed Cover Crop Mix planted

Worms - 3,000 Red Wigglers
European Night crawlers - 1,500
My next order will be for beneficial insects and nematodes from buildasoil

Two avocados applied - I heard they group and breed quicker.

This is going to be a learning experience, so please sit back and enjoy. The next watering in a day or so will be with homemade EM-1 ( Labs from kefir milk, all lactobacillus and yeast are equal, right? ) ill also be adding a good dosage of Great White Shark for a mycorrhizal presence.

Right now i'm trying to decide on going 1 or 4 plants per square foot, if i do the four plants ill train for just a single cola while 1 plant would have 3-6. Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences doing this? what will yields look like? 4 / sq ft at 22 grams each for 3 lbs or 1 /sq ft at 80 grams each for 3 lbs in a 4 x 4.

I would see 2.25-2.75 as an acceptable outcome for production.

The wood table is just a fill in while i get my flood tray cleaned. The goal here is to raise these pheno's to mother plant sizes in 5 gallon pots and then flower clones in the 4 x 4 bed.

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Deadhead13 said:

Great thread.

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PadawanWarrior said:

Ya it is. It was even better before rob got on it.

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Fallback420 said:

Well, well, here we are back at it again with a new update. It's now been 15 days from the start of the thread and we are really starting to develop some good greenery - each of the plants is now working on developing the 3rd and 4th node. Once we get a good solid 4th node ill look at FIM'ing each plant to promote a broader canopy to take clones from. Not too sure how much longer i want to leave them in the solo cups, they tend to dry out much quicker which would indicate that the root structure has really taken hold.

@Craigson - Thank you for the advice on when to water - its pretty much goes against everything i have been taught to keep the soil "moist." Either way its a learning experience and I always appreciate feedback.

Speaking of feedback, @rob333 , there's a few things that i have learned in life. First, i'm no engineer, and maybe you are, so going out and researching or looking for all the material components of leds, light spectrum, led diodes - their angle at which they are set, ect... is something i'm not qualified to do nor do i have the time in my day. Second, in life if you cannot do something for yourself be prepared to pay someone who can. After a little research I decided to place my trust in a lighting company. Good or bad, i have yet to find out. I can tell you that their customer service is extremely good and the quality of the product and warranty that i received on my light squashed any qualms i had with the price. Third, your grow is your own and as i stated earlier in the thread that this is a experiment for something much larger scale - like commercial production. If you want to go into business hand pick each part yourself more power to you, but id bet that the time you would spend trying to find and source materials for replacements would cost more in the long run that paying a respected company to do that for you. As a business owner i have to focus on the aspects that i specialize in and ill leave the rest up to qualified professionals. Not trying to be mean here, but how can you expect to go on someones thread and then dog them on how they spend their own money...doesn't make sense to me.

Back to business.

The Veg Tent :

These guys are really starting to take off, like i mentioned, we have several nodes that have developed and ill look at topping / FIM the 5th or 6th node. View attachment 4385677

The Living Soil Bed :

The 4x4 bed is coming along nicely, the cover crop is starting to take over and the bed is drying out a little less now that i have a layer of organic material to help stop the evaporation. I just watered the bed Friday night with 17 gallons and a few scoops of Great White Shark that i had left over. Unfortunately, it looks like i didn't make enough soil so my next goal is to make more. In the meantime it looks like ill be borrowing soil from the bed for 5 gallons pots. Not something that i wanted to do we will overcome, adapt, and survive.



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