HowardWCampbell
New Member
I'm gonna have to forward this post to fdd, looks like a clear violation of the TOS.
I might let it slide if you tell me what you think of the kali mist. Is it as good as everyone says it is?
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I might let it slide if you tell me what you think of the kali mist. Is it as good as everyone says it is?
Scamstopper
Member
Hey Dalai Lama,
First thanks for being a toker and sharing your wisdom with us.
I appreciate that no malice was intended. That would be un- Dalai Lama like of you.
If I post anything that anybody doesnt understand just respectfully ask a question about that subject, and I will try to be more clear with my answer.
First thanks for being a toker and sharing your wisdom with us.
I appreciate that no malice was intended. That would be un- Dalai Lama like of you.
If I post anything that anybody doesnt understand just respectfully ask a question about that subject, and I will try to be more clear with my answer.
Cyproz
Well-Known Member
We understand completely, the problem is you dont understand that no one cares you got screwed and want you to stop posting about it. Forget about and never order from nirvana again. You warned people with your first post now end it. Let go of it. Learn from it and order from better seedbanks. And it doesnt take much to find a good seedbank.
Hobbes
Well-Known Member
"I appreciate that no malice was intended."
None at all, the posts took some time to write because I had to think up weird shit to say. Humor is hard to pass over computers, and if you let someone know you're being humorous then what you're doing isn't funny. So someone either gets it and laughs, or they think it's serious and are put off. It's a risk but a calculated risk.
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"I might let it slide if you tell me what you think of the kali mist. Is it as good as everyone says it is?"
Fair trade.
It's very good but not as potent as I thought it would be - and I think that's because of the type of high, it's dreamy but functional - not sedative or trippy. Euphoria, floating, raises mood. Tastes and smells spicey. Buds grows solid/dense in soilless, fluffy in hydro. Less chance of mold in hot weather with hydro buds than soilless. Long flower period, 14+ weeks. Very easy to grow. Stretches in hydro: worst 1.5" to 34".
I'm keeping 2 spots in my garden (out of 12) for Kali Mist right now, it's a nice smoke but has a long long long flower period.
I'm going to write up a full effect report, I'll post in the smoke report section and in this forum when I do.
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None at all, the posts took some time to write because I had to think up weird shit to say. Humor is hard to pass over computers, and if you let someone know you're being humorous then what you're doing isn't funny. So someone either gets it and laughs, or they think it's serious and are put off. It's a risk but a calculated risk.
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"I might let it slide if you tell me what you think of the kali mist. Is it as good as everyone says it is?"
Fair trade.
It's very good but not as potent as I thought it would be - and I think that's because of the type of high, it's dreamy but functional - not sedative or trippy. Euphoria, floating, raises mood. Tastes and smells spicey. Buds grows solid/dense in soilless, fluffy in hydro. Less chance of mold in hot weather with hydro buds than soilless. Long flower period, 14+ weeks. Very easy to grow. Stretches in hydro: worst 1.5" to 34".
I'm keeping 2 spots in my garden (out of 12) for Kali Mist right now, it's a nice smoke but has a long long long flower period.
I'm going to write up a full effect report, I'll post in the smoke report section and in this forum when I do.
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Scamstopper
Member
I had no fucking idea what he was talking about in his first post
Not everyone understands.
We understand completely, the problem is you dont understand that no one cares you got screwed and want you to stop posting about it.
You may not care if I or anyone else gets screwed but I think its a good thing to help others save time and money knowing what seed banks to trust and what is happening to the products they buy.
If you have read my posts you will see they go beyond getting screwed by one seed bank. It also has to do with what breeders are doing with the products we get and why some of them turn out to be freaks.
Not everyone understands.
We understand completely, the problem is you dont understand that no one cares you got screwed and want you to stop posting about it.
You may not care if I or anyone else gets screwed but I think its a good thing to help others save time and money knowing what seed banks to trust and what is happening to the products they buy.
If you have read my posts you will see they go beyond getting screwed by one seed bank. It also has to do with what breeders are doing with the products we get and why some of them turn out to be freaks.
HowardWCampbell
New Member
With all of the pointless name calling in a lot of these threads, I don't see how you crossed any lines. Especially since you explained it was just a joke. Looking back, I can definitely hear peter griffin's voice in your post. But thanks for the info on the KM...You may have just moved subcool ahead of serious on my wish list.I just got an infraction for this thread!
LMFAO!!!
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Scamstopper,
I think most of the complaints are about how repetitive some of your posts are. I understand you wanting to share your bad experience w/ nirvana. There is a forum here dedicated to exactly that.
As far as your crusade against fem seeds goes, plenty of people agree with you. Personally, I prefer regular seeds because I like to make my own crosses. No need to stress a female to make her produce pollen that way. Most would agree there is a significantly decreased risk of hermies with normal M/F parents.
There are some shitty fem seeds giving others a bad name, but there are also some fem seeds with very few hermie issues. Grower skill/plant environment plays a very large role as well. If you want to find out about good fem seeds, start a thread. Or do some research. Or both. If you want to share your negative experiences, there are plenty of places for that as well. But telling everybody that fem seeds will result in growing "freak" plants won't allow many people to take you seriously.
I'm looking through your nirvana thread now, and now I'm really curious. If I am understanding correctly, you ordered some seeds from nirvana. They were delivered, you grew them, and realized there was a problem early in flowering. After seeing the problem, you contacted nirvana. They sent you another pack of seeds for free. You grew out this second pack, with identical results to the first. Am I understanding this correctly?
And didn't you say that the pack of seeds you got from a different bank grew pretty much the same as your nirvana seeds? From your scammed2xnirvana thread:
Not to single out Nirvana-shop and to be fair, I did get what seems to be the same freak strain from www.marijuana-seeds.nl under the same name purple power. It could be the same breeder supplying many sellers. I will post more aboutwww.marijuana-seeds.nl later. I know I cant be the only one to get this freak strain, and to all come under the name purple power cant be a coincidence. This part is a mystery that I hope others may help solve.
I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just stoned and may be having some comprehension problems. If I misunderstood, please correct me.
I would really like to hear about your grow setup. Lights/medium/nutes etc...I understand not wanting to put up pics, but some basic info may prove helpful.
Once again, no malicious intent here. I am just stoned and rambling. Stoned on banana free fem GH church buds BTW.
Hobbes
Well-Known Member
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Howard I'm actually happy about the Infraction, it adds to my street cred on the forum. I'm going to put it in my signature. Respect.
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Scam I agree with Howard, you should take a look at your setup to see if you have a stressor - light leak, chlorine/minerals in water, PH off, ...
What PH do use?
I've grown 4(?) fem strains so far and the only one that hasn't hermied on me excessively is a ruderelis cross. I've been able to blame it on 2 breeders so far but if my next feminized White Widow by Seedsman turns hermie on me then I've got to figure that there's something wrong with my grow that I haven't been able to figure out. Something that doesn't produce enough stress to hermie even a single plant from a regular seed but hermies every feminized.
Feminized seeds are the commercial wave of tomorrow today! Once the breeders have the sexual stability problems ironed out they have tremendous advantages - not just in saved work and space from males, but the pheno types will be closer to the selected mother than can be replicated with most F1's. 'cept bubblegum and IBLs of course.
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Warning!: This forum member has an INFRACTION for calling names. Interact with caution.
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Howard I'm actually happy about the Infraction, it adds to my street cred on the forum. I'm going to put it in my signature. Respect.
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Scam I agree with Howard, you should take a look at your setup to see if you have a stressor - light leak, chlorine/minerals in water, PH off, ...
What PH do use?
I've grown 4(?) fem strains so far and the only one that hasn't hermied on me excessively is a ruderelis cross. I've been able to blame it on 2 breeders so far but if my next feminized White Widow by Seedsman turns hermie on me then I've got to figure that there's something wrong with my grow that I haven't been able to figure out. Something that doesn't produce enough stress to hermie even a single plant from a regular seed but hermies every feminized.
Feminized seeds are the commercial wave of tomorrow today! Once the breeders have the sexual stability problems ironed out they have tremendous advantages - not just in saved work and space from males, but the pheno types will be closer to the selected mother than can be replicated with most F1's. 'cept bubblegum and IBLs of course.
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Warning!: This forum member has an INFRACTION for calling names. Interact with caution.
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Scamstopper
Member
All respectful comments, suggestions, and constructive criticisms are welcomed and appreciated, stoned or otherwise.
Sometimes I must repeat things when asked questions about things I already posted. A reader may not have read or understood an earlier post. If it is not that, I may be unaware that I am repeating something unnecessarily. It’s hard to self analyze, I guess we agree with are selves too much.
Don’t know what forum to post what on. I am new to this. I did see what seemed like the right category/forum “Seed and Strain Reviews” I don’t know of a more to the point category. What would be better?
No crusade here, just an exchange of thoughts that hopefully we all may benefit from.
“I'm looking through your nirvana thread now, and now I'm really curious. If I am understanding correctly, you ordered some seeds from nirvana. They were delivered, you grew them, and realized there was a problem early in flowering. After seeing the problem, you contacted nirvana. They sent you another pack of seeds for free. You grew out this second pack, with identical results to the first. Am I understanding this correctly?”
Don’t have the time to rewrite this again, but yes pretty much.
To jump ahead, the grow setup I used was pretty standard HPS light, nutrients and custom hydro. The environmental conditions were ruled out as a factor because of expected results from all other strains in the same unit. The conditions are controlled for this reason.
To jump ahead again the results of what turned into a genetic freak experiment indicated damage to the hormone responsible for triggering the flowering cycle from vegetative. The plants stayed in a limbo state with only about 10 pistil sets per inch of main stem. They stayed that way some 20 weeks in 12 light cycle until I had to remove them. Again these were the PPs from nirvana.
I did have another kind of genetic damage that showed up as leaf mutations with an Aurora Indicia strain from www.marijuana-seeds.nl.
They also had damage to the flower triggering hormone.
I think these unintended experiments were concussive in showing genetic damage to more than one strain and from more than one bank.
The larger question now is why. That brings me to the only genetic/ hormone manipulations that I know are common “femming” I did have some herming with them to but it was less important than the not forming bud problem.
A larger issue came to mind, if breeders are working toward providing all fem seed, reproducing our own will be difficult. Would we have to count on herms or chemicals to make herms?
By sharing our experiments we all can learn more about our interests. It’s a good thing!
Sometimes I must repeat things when asked questions about things I already posted. A reader may not have read or understood an earlier post. If it is not that, I may be unaware that I am repeating something unnecessarily. It’s hard to self analyze, I guess we agree with are selves too much.
Don’t know what forum to post what on. I am new to this. I did see what seemed like the right category/forum “Seed and Strain Reviews” I don’t know of a more to the point category. What would be better?
No crusade here, just an exchange of thoughts that hopefully we all may benefit from.
“I'm looking through your nirvana thread now, and now I'm really curious. If I am understanding correctly, you ordered some seeds from nirvana. They were delivered, you grew them, and realized there was a problem early in flowering. After seeing the problem, you contacted nirvana. They sent you another pack of seeds for free. You grew out this second pack, with identical results to the first. Am I understanding this correctly?”
Don’t have the time to rewrite this again, but yes pretty much.
To jump ahead, the grow setup I used was pretty standard HPS light, nutrients and custom hydro. The environmental conditions were ruled out as a factor because of expected results from all other strains in the same unit. The conditions are controlled for this reason.
To jump ahead again the results of what turned into a genetic freak experiment indicated damage to the hormone responsible for triggering the flowering cycle from vegetative. The plants stayed in a limbo state with only about 10 pistil sets per inch of main stem. They stayed that way some 20 weeks in 12 light cycle until I had to remove them. Again these were the PPs from nirvana.
I did have another kind of genetic damage that showed up as leaf mutations with an Aurora Indicia strain from www.marijuana-seeds.nl.
They also had damage to the flower triggering hormone.
I think these unintended experiments were concussive in showing genetic damage to more than one strain and from more than one bank.
The larger question now is why. That brings me to the only genetic/ hormone manipulations that I know are common “femming” I did have some herming with them to but it was less important than the not forming bud problem.
A larger issue came to mind, if breeders are working toward providing all fem seed, reproducing our own will be difficult. Would we have to count on herms or chemicals to make herms?
By sharing our experiments we all can learn more about our interests. It’s a good thing!
HowardWCampbell
New Member
All respectful comments, suggestions, and constructive criticisms are welcomed and appreciated, stoned or otherwise.
Sometimes I must repeat things when asked questions about things I already posted. A reader may not have read or understood an earlier post. If it is not that, I may be unaware that I am repeating something unnecessarily. Its hard to self analyze, I guess we agree with are selves too much.
Dont know what forum to post what on. I am new to this. I did see what seemed like the right category/forum Seed and Strain Reviews I dont know of a more to the point category. What would be better?
No crusade here, just an exchange of thoughts that hopefully we all may benefit from.
I'm looking through your nirvana thread now, and now I'm really curious. If I am understanding correctly, you ordered some seeds from nirvana. They were delivered, you grew them, and realized there was a problem early in flowering. After seeing the problem, you contacted nirvana. They sent you another pack of seeds for free. You grew out this second pack, with identical results to the first. Am I understanding this correctly?
Dont have the time to rewrite this again, but yes pretty much.
Sounds like good customer service as far as nirvana seedbank goes, just a shitty strain.
To jump ahead, the grow setup I used was pretty standard HPS light, nutrients and custom hydro. The environmental conditions were ruled out as a factor because of expected results from all other strains in the same unit. The conditions are controlled for this reason.
What other strains? What brand/product of nutrients are you using? The reason I ask about nutes is because I have read some things that suggest deficincies of certain micronutrients can lead to mutant plants.
To jump ahead again the results of what turned into a genetic freak experiment indicated damage to the hormone responsible for triggering the flowering cycle from vegetative. The plants stayed in a limbo state with only about 10 pistil sets per inch of main stem. They stayed that way some 20 weeks in 12 light cycle until I had to remove them. Again these were the PPs from nirvana.
I am assuming 12 light cycle means 12 hours on and 12 hours off?
I did have another kind of genetic damage that showed up as leaf mutations with an Aurora Indicia strain from www.marijuana-seeds.nl.
They also had damage to the flower triggering hormone.
I think these unintended experiments were concussive in showing genetic damage to more than one strain and from more than one bank.
The larger question now is why. That brings me to the only genetic/ hormone manipulations that I know are common femming I did have some herming with them to but it was less important than the not forming bud problem.
I haven't looked at any grow journals for either of those strains, so I do not know if that is a common problem with them. Any chance you may have had a light leak during the plants dark period?
A larger issue came to mind, if breeders are working toward providing all fem seed, reproducing our own will be difficult. Would we have to count on herms or chemicals to make herms?
That is one of the big complaints against greenhouse seeds.
By sharing our experiments we all can learn more about our interests. Its a good thing!
Amen to that.
My only other comment is to suggest that you spend some more time doing research before making your next seed purchase. There are some people who love nirvana, but many more who consider them to be mediocre. I have never grown any of their strains so I have no first hand experience. I came pretty close to ordering jock horror when I got my first seed order, but just saw too many unhappy growers to spend my money with them.
Good luck with the rest of your grow.
Scamstopper
Member
Sounds like good customer service as far as nirvana seedbank goes, just a shitty strain.
Not even close! Their customer service was bad too. Would not return emails for weeks, then tried to blame it on me, and finally doing a resend of the same freak strain I just tolled them would not form buds. I feel the resend was just to keep me from warning others about them for a few more months. Detail in earlier posts.
Having ruled out any environmental conditions being a factor there is no need to talk more about that.
I am assuming 12 light cycle means 12 hours on and 12 hours off?
Yes thats correct.
The real thing now is to find out how the genetics got damage and why they are sending them out. Its not that they dont know. They must not care because the profits are so good, all explained in earlier posts.
Finding how many have got what they ordered form what banks, doing posts to find out is my new research. I know now you cant trust reviews, adds, or nice website photos. Also explained in other posts.
Dont mean to be short but I have less time now to post.
Not even close! Their customer service was bad too. Would not return emails for weeks, then tried to blame it on me, and finally doing a resend of the same freak strain I just tolled them would not form buds. I feel the resend was just to keep me from warning others about them for a few more months. Detail in earlier posts.
Having ruled out any environmental conditions being a factor there is no need to talk more about that.
I am assuming 12 light cycle means 12 hours on and 12 hours off?
Yes thats correct.
The real thing now is to find out how the genetics got damage and why they are sending them out. Its not that they dont know. They must not care because the profits are so good, all explained in earlier posts.
Finding how many have got what they ordered form what banks, doing posts to find out is my new research. I know now you cant trust reviews, adds, or nice website photos. Also explained in other posts.
Dont mean to be short but I have less time now to post.
Mindmelted
Well-Known Member
4 grows using feminized seeds equals 4 grows with 4 females and no hermies and no issues
superdave5
Active Member
Scam-stopper: what nirvana site did you order from? I feel this needs to be clarified and if I missed it in the thread my bad. But, was it Gypsy-nirvana or Nirvana-shop?
Scamstopper
Member
Hi superdave5,
It was . (www.nirvana-shop.com and www.marijuana-seeds.nl)
But I expect more banks may have genetically damage seeds too. Possibly do to the hormone and genetic manipulations their experimenting with.
Anybody know why my animated gif avatar is not animating?
It was . (www.nirvana-shop.com and www.marijuana-seeds.nl)
But I expect more banks may have genetically damage seeds too. Possibly do to the hormone and genetic manipulations their experimenting with.
Anybody know why my animated gif avatar is not animating?
Hobbes
Well-Known Member
"What other strains? What brand/product of nutrients are you using? The reason I ask about nutes is because I have read some things that suggest deficincies of certain micronutrients can lead to mutant plants"
Nute deficiency was why I was asking about ph - If your ph is off you can get nutrient lockout which usually shows up in the fan leaves first but can also cause knarly damage and deficiencies to other parts of the plant.
If you had answered "I like to use 220, 230 volts. Whatever the plants need." we would have a quick solution to your problem.
(you can all see how the winky eye smilie face absolutely ruined the joke. If I left if off you'd wonder if I were serious, which would make it Fn funny because perhaps I was slyly insulting someone.
For those of us who remember Michael Keaton in Mr Mom we remember the joke and no smilie face would be necessary. Some other's might be pissed. Acceptable risk. Now look what I've got, nothing. Real nice. Asshole mods think they're the MAN slapping us up the head with INFRACTIONS.)
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Nute deficiency was why I was asking about ph - If your ph is off you can get nutrient lockout which usually shows up in the fan leaves first but can also cause knarly damage and deficiencies to other parts of the plant.
If you had answered "I like to use 220, 230 volts. Whatever the plants need." we would have a quick solution to your problem.
(you can all see how the winky eye smilie face absolutely ruined the joke. If I left if off you'd wonder if I were serious, which would make it Fn funny because perhaps I was slyly insulting someone.
For those of us who remember Michael Keaton in Mr Mom we remember the joke and no smilie face would be necessary. Some other's might be pissed. Acceptable risk. Now look what I've got, nothing. Real nice. Asshole mods think they're the MAN slapping us up the head with INFRACTIONS.)
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imburne
Well-Known Member
Check out http://MMJSpots.com and look up whitewidowseeds in the banners.. These guys for sure sent a ton to them..
HowardWCampbell
New Member
Pardon my ignorance, but doesn't mj grow best at 110v?"What other strains? What brand/product of nutrients are you using? The reason I ask about nutes is because I have read some things that suggest deficincies of certain micronutrients can lead to mutant plants"
Nute deficiency was why I was asking about ph - If your ph is off you can get nutrient lockout which usually shows up in the fan leaves first but can also cause knarly damage and deficiencies to other parts of the plant.
If you had answered "I like to use 220, 230 volts. Whatever the plants need." we would have a quick solution to your problem.
Seriously though, I don't think we are ever going to get the whole story. The OP won't share any info on the growing conditions other than to say they are not a problem. I don't have any idea why I found this thread so interesting. From what little info has actually been shared, I see that 3 packs of seeds from two different seedbanks are having the same problem. The only common denominator I see is the grower. I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don't see any other likely cause. Some of his posts make me think he is an experienced grower. But the lack of information provided about his grow setup really makes me doubt that.
Maybe he's running 30kW of lighting in some warehouse somewhere and is just trying to keep under the radar. At the end of the day I guess it doesn't really matter.
Scamstopper
Member
Hobbes,
Thanks for the suggestion, but since the environmental condition like PH, nutrients, etc. were ruled out as mentioned in earlier posts I just want to talk about thing that may have caused the genetic damage like discussed in later posts.
But more importantly Who has got what strains to finish like the product photos and from what banks, or who has got no bud forming freaks as explained in earlier posts. That way we can get some idea why the freaks are getting sent out and by whom.
My humor is not always understood ether, or even my non-humor conversation sometimes. I think it has to do with the persons experiences in life, if they heard that joke before, how they were raised, stuff like that.
Imburne,
Check out http://MMJSpots.com and look up whitewidowseeds in the banners.. These guys for sure sent a ton to them..
I dont understand your post, what do you mean?
Thanks for the suggestion, but since the environmental condition like PH, nutrients, etc. were ruled out as mentioned in earlier posts I just want to talk about thing that may have caused the genetic damage like discussed in later posts.
But more importantly Who has got what strains to finish like the product photos and from what banks, or who has got no bud forming freaks as explained in earlier posts. That way we can get some idea why the freaks are getting sent out and by whom.
My humor is not always understood ether, or even my non-humor conversation sometimes. I think it has to do with the persons experiences in life, if they heard that joke before, how they were raised, stuff like that.
Imburne,
Check out http://MMJSpots.com and look up whitewidowseeds in the banners.. These guys for sure sent a ton to them..
I dont understand your post, what do you mean?
Scamstopper
Member
HowardWCampbell,
I can see the logic in the grower (me) being the common denominator, but I posted in some detail why the growing conditions were ruled out and I dont want to repost.
Other common denominators were posted as being the genetic and hormonal manipulation being used by many breeders for feming and possibly to change other plant characteristics. See earlier posts.
On the 110v or 220v thing, depending on your country you may use one or the other. Some international products can be set accordingly. The end result will be the same for the electrical component, the voltage is just converted so it can be used. (not blow things up) If not that I dont know ether.
I can see the logic in the grower (me) being the common denominator, but I posted in some detail why the growing conditions were ruled out and I dont want to repost.
Other common denominators were posted as being the genetic and hormonal manipulation being used by many breeders for feming and possibly to change other plant characteristics. See earlier posts.
On the 110v or 220v thing, depending on your country you may use one or the other. Some international products can be set accordingly. The end result will be the same for the electrical component, the voltage is just converted so it can be used. (not blow things up) If not that I dont know ether.
HowardWCampbell
New Member
I really am not trying to attack you, I am just curious. If you can give me a link to where you posted the basics about your grow, it would be much appreciated. The only info I have been able to discern from your posts is that you grow in hydro, with some type of hps light, and that you flowered your nirvana strains for about 16 weeks with very poor results. Hobbes has asked about your ph, and the only response given is that it is not a problem.
I think more than likely you did get some shitty genetics. Maybe that is what confuses me most. How did someone with so much experience arrive at the conclusion that the two seed banks and/or you used were the best choice? Did you just buy a copy of high times one day and pick out a couple companies with nice ads to order from?
I am going to shut up now. I'll continue to follow this thread, but I am not really adding anything useful anymore. +rep to SS if you will give me a link to those detailed growing conditions referenced earlier.