Fimming and Topping 101

Uncle Ben said:
Using Griffin's Spin-Out paint IS revolutionary with cannabis. I was the first to try it and the first to draft a pictorial FAQ detailing the paint and the results.

Second, posers who take others' work and play it like it is there own suck and that's happened alot to me. They are not honorable.

I have been teaching gardening for 10 years. This one thread is such an example:
https://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=33786

Now, what revolutionary stuff have you come up with?

Hope that helps,
UB
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holy shit... is this the real UB? sounds like it...
glad to see ya roaming around... been missing you at the island....

edit: hahaha i didn't even notice it was you when i replied to your comment a few days ago... lol... stoner moment...
 
lumberjack_ian said:
holy shit... is this the real UB? sounds like it...
glad to see ya roaming around... been missing you at the island....

edit: hahaha i didn't even notice it was you when i replied to your comment a few days ago... lol... stoner moment...
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Yeah, it's me. A big Texas howdy to ya! Got a question, did rosso reefo ever start/finish the beans I sent him? I sent him some pure sativas like Zamal.

Thanks,
UB
 
when is the best time to start topping your plants, my plants are about 3 weeks from seed showing 8-10 leaves a new set comes threw evryday i have them on a 250 ppm andd im moving up to 500 ppm thursday, a week from then i start my vedge t 800 and plan to move up by 200 evry week when should i top?
 
i did sumthing like tht i got 3 buds on top lookie lol
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buck50crew said:
when is the best time to start topping your plants, my plants are about 3 weeks from seed showing 8-10 leaves a new set comes threw evryday i have them on a 250 ppm andd im moving up to 500 ppm thursday, a week from then i start my vedge t 800 and plan to move up by 200 evry week when should i top?
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Depends on the final profile you wish. If you top above the 2nd true node, you'll get 4 main colas like this.

Marihemp: Growing: The affect of Topping again........

You must first understand how the plant reacts before making your decision. Every time you pinch out the terminal top of a branch, you redirect the growth hormone, auxin, to dormant buds located in the axis where the leaf petiole is attached to the "trunk", the node. Very simple stuff.

UB
 
I've been reading that in order to cut a clone you must do it at a 45 degree angle... so is it the same for topping? or do i just cut it flat across? If i do cut it at a 45 degree angle is that going to produce 2 new growths or will it grow back as 1? what is the purpose of the 45 degree angle slice and is it necessary for topping... i'm a little confused... help!
 
CaliBudz said:
I've been reading that in order to cut a clone you must do it at a 45 degree angle... so is it the same for topping? or do i just cut it flat across? If i do cut it at a 45 degree angle is that going to produce 2 new growths or will it grow back as 1? what is the purpose of the 45 degree angle slice and is it necessary for topping... i'm a little confused... help!
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I believe for topping you cut flat across. The 45 degree angle has something to do with having more surface for roots to grow, and allows more oxygen to travel thru the plant or something of the sort... lol, i'm not positive, just heard that thru the 'Grape vine'.
 
Cutting at an angle is just another forum myth. When someone says such, ask them "why". If they're gonna shoot from the hip, they better have their guns loaded with something other than blanks.

Topping is the act of pinching out the top which induces foliar output from the leaf petiole axis area. It's a hormonal response. Where the auxins usually collect at the terminal tip, after topping they are redirected to a lower point on the plant.

UB
 
Uncle Ben said:
Using Griffin's Spin-Out paint IS revolutionary with cannabis. I was the first to try it and the first to draft a pictorial FAQ detailing the paint and the results.

Second, posers who take others' work and play it like it is there own suck and that's happened alot to me. They are not honorable.

I have been teaching gardening for 10 years. This one thread is such an example:
https://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=33786

Now, what revolutionary stuff have you come up with?

Hope that helps,
UB
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Congrats on your gardening for 10 years and accomplishments. I would assume then that you also have over 10 years of reading experience. I must not be as experienced a reader as you because I missed the part where you showed me that mogie claimed to invent this technique. Would you so kindly show me again in a very simple manner?

Regarding your "revolutionary" technique. You took a product that agriculture has been using for plants for some time and applied it to another plant, is that correct?

Can't we just keep this to thanks for the information and the help???
Now if you'd like to offer some help to someone with questions that would be awesome!


Thanks so much!
 
DragonPhoenix said:
Congrats on your gardening for 10 years and accomplishments.
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I have been teaching in cannabis forums for 10 years. Actual gardening experience with every type of plant material is about 40 years - fruit and nut trees, carnivorous plants, wine grapes, orchids, turf, roses, veggies, flowers, etc. and of course, pot. Growing sativas indoors is my specialty, like Dalat, Zamal, or O. Haze. I like challenges.

I would assume then that you also have over 10 years of reading experience. I must not be as experienced a reader as you because I missed the part where you showed me that mogie claimed to invent this technique.
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Mogie stripped the sign-off, and that speaks volumes. It's not the first time folks have tried to pass off one of my drafts as their own. Check this shit out: The never ending abuse of Phosphorous to enhance flowering - Grasscity.com Forums

He also stole one of my photos, one that I found anyway. No telling how many more he's stolen. There is no shame with these low lifes, much less common decency.

Would you so kindly show me again in a very simple manner?
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No, you wouldn't get it anyway since you're defending her tawdry practices. Now, did she give credit where credit is due when the high fives hit the air? Hell no she didn't.

"Nice grow BTW, lovely well conditioned plants."

"Holy-Shit MOGIE!!! Those are some beautiful looking plants and Buds."

"Thanks for the information, and pictures of those magnificent plants."

....and the last post until I chimed in a set the record straight.

"Ah. Riiigght."

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html


Regarding your "revolutionary" technique. You took a product that agriculture has been using for plants for some time and applied it to another plant, is that correct?
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Since reading comprehension seems to come hard for you I'll say it again, experimenting with a copper pruning paint has never been tried on cannabis. Certain plants react differently to certain products, doncha know?

Now here's your challenge - go find someone who beat me to the punch.

UB
 
This is getting beyond stupid and I would think that if you've been teaching for all this time you'd understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not defending mogie all. What I'm saying is that I can't find where mogie claimed to invent this technique. You've turned that statement into some bastardized conversation that I don't really care to have. I maintain my original statement that most of the things discussed here are NOT new.

The fact about the spin out remains the same as well, you took a technique used for a plant and applied it to another plant. Congrats. I also see your name in the Cervantes bible so congrats on that as well.

I don't know mogie and never spoke to mogie so I have no reason to defend all I was saying was that I didn't see where mogie claimed to invent it and I still don't see where.

I understand your frustration but I'm not sure why you are directing the blunt of it at me...I could use some help growing but if you are not interested that's fine too. I really don't care to argue so I'm sorry if I seemed like I was defending I was just trying to say I took the FIM and TOPPING post as informative and not "I invented this technique".

Cheers
 
DragonPhoenix said:
I'm not defending mogie all. What I'm saying is that I can't find where mogie claimed to invent this technique.
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She claimed to infer it was her doing with her behavior. Quite simple really, at least that's how most took it. She took my thread, word for word, photo by photo, a drill that took me alot of time to put together, stripped my signoff which suggests that it was her garden. Lot's of folks took it that way, reason why I quoted them in my previous post. What do you need to be convinced of her motives, something in black and white from her saying, "Hope you like my garden experiment"? No, she takes the easy way out posting someone else's work and then running off knowing damn good and well she didn't have the experience to answer any questions that might pop up.

You've turned that statement into some bastardized conversation that I don't really care to have.
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But you continue to reply.

I maintain my original statement that most of the things discussed here are NOT new.
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Depends on the application, but I agree, they are not new. There is very little "new" except to the uninformed noob. Every new crop of noobs ask the same ole questions. You can't reinvent botany, and that's what it is all about, that and industry mired in greed.

I understand your frustration but I'm not sure why you are directing the blunt of it at me...
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Guess I didn't like the way you "introduced yourself" in your first response to me. IOW, I didn't like your tone, so you got my undivided attention, which you really don't want to do. :D -->
Great detective work genius.
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Treat me with respect and you'll get the same in return.

If you need help, you can wade thru some of this, buy a book on plant culture, be wary of all the crap sold by hydro vendors and basically learn what makes a plant tick. https://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=33786

Good luck,
UB
 
is it advisable to top/fim a two week old plant? she is already on her 4th node is it, thats not including the first set of leaves you get when it sprouts. but i dont know if thats classed as one.
 
yes jay if you pinch of the little bit of new growth at the very top, it'll start bushing off... the only reason to wait longer is if you want a topping that is big enough to use as a clone...
 
lumberjack_ian said:
yes jay if you pinch of the little bit of new growth at the very top, it'll start bushing off... the only reason to wait longer is if you want a topping that is big enough to use as a clone...
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ok cheers mate, at the top although new 9 tip leaves are forming, so id rather wait until the next node comes up and give it a try, hope i dont fk things up... but this guide was very helpful so i shouldnt have any problems... thanks again
 
haha.... the number of blades on a leaf is really of no matter... if you top once the side growth gets going it'll start vegging up right and pretty for you as well my friend =]

it's actually a bit tough to fuck up your mj plant... they're generally increadibly resilient... you can hack them to hell and have them come back nicely =] though i don't recommend treating your ladies so badly... lol
 
lumberjack_ian said:
haha.... the number of blades on a leaf is really of no matter... if you top once the side growth gets going it'll start vegging up right and pretty for you as well my friend =]

it's actually a bit tough to fuck up your mj plant... they're generally increadibly resilient... you can hack them to hell and have them come back nicely =] though i don't recommend treating your ladies so badly... lol
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dont worry, precious gets A* treatment haha. and i guess your right, but there formed and are moving up, so i dont want to cause stress to precious..
 
jaynwl said:
dont worry, precious gets A* treatment haha. and i guess your right, but there formed and are moving up, so i dont want to cause stress to precious..
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One or two such acts of leaf removal won't stress the plant this early in the game. The plant will replace what you've removed with output in other areas. What you don't want to do is remove stems/leaves later in the plant's cycle, keeping in mind that the more the foliage a plant retains up to harvest, the more its production of bud.

Good luck,
UB
 
Damn, just from reading a few threads people can get so angry hear, i thought we were stoners? Well i am and thats why some of it made me laugh, and some of the other stuff was informative. So i want to ask a question. First i'll explain the sitiation

I have four plants growing right now that are probably 6 or 7 weeks old. They are under a 1000 watt hps light in foxfarm soil. They are around a foot tall and since i've read some stuff about fimming, i thought id try it on a couple of them. On three of the plants i only cut the main stem on them, about 75% of the new stem growth. The other plant i left alone. Anyways, i started 12/12 them the day after i fimmed them for some reason, then realized later that this was bad so switched them back to 18/6 two days later. Did this stunt them or screw them up? I've heard after this that it might take a month for them to recover...im so angry at myself, can anybody answer this question?
 
lunbox24 said:
....On three of the plants i only cut the main stem on them, about 75% of the new stem growth.
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Then you'll get foliar output from the area where the leaf petioles are attached to the main stem, below the cut. Dormant buds are located in that axis.

Anyways, i started 12/12 them the day after i fimmed them for some reason, then realized later that this was bad so switched them back to 18/6 two days later. Did this stunt them or screw them up? I've heard after this that it might take a month for them to recover...im so angry at myself, can anybody answer this question?
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Why was it "bad"? Do you figure you don't have enough height/bulk for good bud production yet? When you do something with your plants, what are you hoping to achieve? I don't do fimming, to me it's just another cannabis forum trick without any degree of reliability regarding the plant's reaction, but when you do it, you need to cut about halfway thru a node. Find out before hand why you're doing what you're doing..... in a botanical sense. Supposedly this induces dormant buds located there to break giving you a more bushy plant. You can do the same thing but with a higher degree of reliability by topping a couple of times. BTW, the plagarisized "instruction" posted on page one by Mogie regarding topping and fimming is just plain wrong. One needs to understand plant reactions, and the info given is erroneous.

No, the flip-flop won't hurt the plant. Might stress it a bit and induce some hermies, might not. Just keep your eyes open.

UB
 
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