”Feminized” or “Regular” seeds....and why?

BlazinDucks said:
No! I'm being honest. You're just an irritant that doesn't know when to move on. How many times can you be told it's not GMO before you quit trying to tell everyone otherwise.
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Read a couple posts above / back, you arsehole. I freely admitted my mistake, and stated i agree they're not GMO.
But that it was also possible to do so.

Its probably way too costly to do so, as well. Why would we create seedless varieties of seeds, that are infertile? (like Mosanto)
When we can have 99.99999% females in the first generations anyway?

Respect my opinion please.....
Then answer what im asking above.
Educate me a little.

o_O
 
DarkStar420307 said:
Thanks for all the great replies! I learned a lot more than I expected to and that’s awesome! That video was really informative.



What is the “IG?” Why did the rec vote in CA break the Outdoor section?
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InstaGram.

Most of the big time outdoor guys were against the Rec vote. They said it would flood the market and prices would plummet. {which turned out to be true} The mods on here would delete their comments, and they took exception to it. They felt like if they were not allowed to freely express their opinion, they would go somewhere else.
 
Miyagismokes said:
You might want to look into the definition of "splice"
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I'll give you an analogy inside this dictionary definition...

"Imagine a sexual female plant, as a piece of rope"

splice
splʌɪs/
verb
  1. 1.
    join or connect (a rope or ropes) by interweaving the strands at the ends.
    "we learned how to weave and splice ropes"
    synonyms: interweave, braid, plait, entwine, intertwine, interlace, knit, mesh;More
noun
  1. 1.
    a join consisting of two ropes, pieces of tape or timber, etc. joined together at the ends.
    "so smooth is the splice that you can't see the join"

Now please correct me if I'm wrong.......

Peace,

:peace:
 
Tim, you've got it wrong. Your analogy doesn't work for the topic as the meaning of the word "splice" has different connotations in this case.

When you're talking genetic modification, to "splice" is to insert foreign dna that the plant would not, could not, come across naturally. Example; modifying the genome of a plant to make it resistant to herbicides. Take cannabis, for instance, which does not naturally resist the effects of glyphosate (Roundup). If one were to genetically modify the DNA of cannabis by inserting a certain gene that makes it able to resist the effects of glyphosate, you would have created Roundup-Ready cannabis, which we can agree is not the same as breeding. Said gene can be found in several weeds that have, or have developed, a natural resistance to the chemical. (See the picture below, I'll also link the source) But you cannot create the same resistance in cannabis by cross-breeding, reversing females to produce pollen, or any other method of breeding, conventional or otherwise.

Screenshot_20180731-225103.png
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAKegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2w_PHJYyKJDD1JQvnZQtS_ (redirects to a PDF)


I feel like I had another point to make, but I'll be damned if I can remember what it was. This is getting kind of long anyway.

I hope that offers a bit of clarity.

Cheers.
 
I amn't necessarily going to contribute anything of significance to this thread but I sure have gotten one Hell of an education out of reading it. Thank you to everyone who's participated.
 
socaljoe said:
Tim, you've got it wrong. Your analogy doesn't work for the topic as the meaning of the word "splice" has different connotations in this case.

When you're talking genetic modification, to "splice" is to insert foreign dna that the plant would not, could not, come across naturally. Example; modifying the genome of a plant to make it resistant to herbicides. Take cannabis, for instance, which does not naturally resist the effects of glyphosate (Roundup). If one were to genetically modify the DNA of cannabis by inserting a certain gene that makes it able to resist the effects of glyphosate, you would have created Roundup-Ready cannabis, which we can agree is not the same as breeding. Said gene can be found in several weeds that have, or have developed, a natural resistance to the chemical. (See the picture below, I'll also link the source) But you cannot create the same resistance in cannabis by cross-breeding, reversing females to produce pollen, or any other method of breeding, conventional or otherwise.

View attachment 4174389
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAKegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2w_PHJYyKJDD1JQvnZQtS_ (redirects to a PDF)


I feel like I had another point to make, but I'll be damned if I can remember what it was. This is getting kind of long anyway.

I hope that offers a bit of clarity.

Cheers.
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Socaljoe,

Thanks for your reply. Please may i pick your brain regarding the matter?
I have to list my questions. Please don't take this the wrong way.

1. We're using, and recreating "sexual female", cannabis. Not "asexual" cannabis.
We are choosing "sexual female" plants.

2. Sexual organisms, MUST mate with the opposite sex.

3. Asexual organisms, have DOUBLE the chromosome count. Meaning if we interbreed this plant, then it replicates itself.

It is stated this difference between an Asexual female, and Sexual female cannabis plant isnt great.
BUT, they are both genetically different.

Breeding 2 seperate organisms together = "It takes two to tango"

Peace,

Tim.

:peace:
 
Tim, you're asking questions that I don't have the background or knowledge to address. Furthermore, I think a lot of what you've asked has been addressed previously in this thread.

My post has very little to do with what you keep circling back to. I just wanted to point out the fallacy in the previous statement you had made.

That's all I have to offer you.

Cheers.
 
SageFromZen said:
I amn't necessarily going to contribute anything of significance to this thread but I sure have gotten one Hell of an education out of reading it. Thank you to everyone who's participated.
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Me too dude. Me too.
Thank-you everyone, and RIU.
Im truly trying to learn, all this. Its been boggling my mind.
I'd be so grateful if someone could help me out, with what GMO Marijuana is.
So i can make an informed, consumer decision.

:peace:
 
socaljoe said:
Tim, you're asking questions that I don't have the background or knowledge to address. Furthermore, I think a lot of what you've asked has been addressed previously in this thread.

My post has very little to do with what you keep circling back to. I just wanted to point out the fallacy in the previous statement you had made.

That's all I have to offer you.

Cheers.
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Please Joe,

Don't take offense. Im trying to learn.
My original statement was it doesn't sit well with my own morals. I was challenged on them. Even implying "dumbness" at times.

Like i previously stated to someone else. You can't fault me for being a human being, and asking a simple question.
Please don't get frustrated with me, if you dont have the answers.
I don't know the answers either. That's why im asking the questions.

Peace,

Tim.
 
Tim1987 said:
Please Joe,

Don't take offense. Im trying to learn.
My original statement was it doesn't sit well with my own morals. I was challenged on them. Even implying "dumbness" at times.

Like i previously stated to someone else. You can't fault me for being a human being, and asking a simple question.
Please don't get frustrated with me, if you dont have the answers.
I don't know the answers either. That's why im asking the questions.

Peace,

Tim.
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Tim, I haven't taken offense to anything you've posted. If anything, I'm trying my best to be clear (and concise where possible) in what I'm saying.

Quite frankly, I'm just not comfortable getting into a discussion about something I'm not well versed in.

I'm going to do some reading and thinking, maybe I can offer something of substance to you then.

Cheers.
 
Tim1987 said:
I'll give you an analogy inside this dictionary definition...

"Imagine a sexual female plant, as a piece of rope"

splice
splʌɪs/
verb
  1. 1.
    join or connect (a rope or ropes) by interweaving the strands at the ends.
    "we learned how to weave and splice ropes"
    synonyms: interweave, braid, plait, entwine, intertwine, interlace, knit, mesh;More
noun
  1. 1.
    a join consisting of two ropes, pieces of tape or timber, etc. joined together at the ends.
    "so smooth is the splice that you can't see the join"

Now please correct me if I'm wrong.......

Peace,

:peace:
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The issue here is that each chromosome is its own rope. No splicing necessary.
 
Miyagismokes said:
The issue here is that each chromosome is its own rope. No splicing necessary.
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EXACTLY!

Female cannabis plants exist BOTH as "sexual", and "asexual" organisms in nature.

Males DON'T.

This is HOW mother nature varies the genes, from region to region. Creating "genotypes". (Landrace plants).

Imagine a sexual female organism was that piece of rope.
Imagine we could further seperate this length down into slimmer ropes, fibres, particles etc. Then sow the two ends together.

We are doing Mother Nature's job here.
This is what doesn't sit well with me.

Please help me grasp all this. Explain to me how we havn't managed to splice the cannabis genome doing this?

Peace,

Tim.

:peace:
 
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Tim1987 said:
EXACTLY!

Female cannabis plants exist BOTH as "sexual", and "asexual" organisms in nature.

Males DON'T.

This is HOW mother nature varies the genes, from region to region. Creating "genotypes". (Landrace plants).

Imagine a sexual female organism was that piece of rope.
Imagine we could further seperate this length down into slimmer ropes, fibres, particles etc. Then sew the two ends together.

We are doing Mother Nature's job here.
This is what doesn't sit well with me.

Please help me grasp all this. Explain to me how we havn't managed to splice the cannabis genome doing this?

Peace,

Tim.

:peace:
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We're only doing it via it's own natural paths, or subverting those paths via hormone manipulation. We aren't adding any genetic code from an outside source, which is the fundamental difference. We can't get smaller than chromosome manipulation. Genetic modification is at an even finer level.
If I remember the story right, we mass produce insulin via gmo yeast. We isolated the human insulin gene complex, and added that gene to viral DNA, replacing pathogenic code, then infected yeast with this modified virus.
Instead of the virus reproducing, it just inserted the insulin code.
We couldn't even reach this scale with what we're doing. We can't and don't ADD genetic code during our labors, which is the fundamental core of the "genetically modified organism" idea.
 
Miyagismokes said:
We're only doing it via it's own natural paths, or subverting those paths via hormone manipulation. We aren't adding any genetic code from an outside source, which is the fundamental difference. We can't get smaller than chromosome manipulation. Genetic modification is at an even finer level.
If I remember the story right, we mass produce insulin via gmo yeast. We isolated the human insulin gene complex, and added that gene to viral DNA, replacing pathogenic code, then infected yeast with this modified virus.
Instead of the virus reproducing, it just inserted the insulin code.
We couldn't even reach this scale with what we're doing. We can't and don't ADD genetic code during our labors, which is the fundamental core of the "genetically modified organism" idea.
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Miyagismokes,

Thank you for your reply. Please may I ask you another question.
How did the cannabis plant evolve?
How do you stop a genotype from evolving into something different? (100% feminized seed)
Why would you bother when the first generations were female? (It's a patent. We can't introduce something else without the next generation varying in traits)
If "theoretically" the first generation of feminized seed is 99% female. Why even bother going to all the trouble of full on GMO when ALL the seeds are sexually female?
Monsanto exists.

Peace,

Tim.

:peace:
 
Miyagismokes said:
...you've lost me a bit.
Monsanto goes beyond seed feminization, so I don't get the comparison. What are you asking, exactly?
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Miyagismokes,

I'm using the name "Monsanto", as a metaphor. So I can convey to you my theory. Because you keep asking..

Why make 100% sexual female seeds?
When the consumer "you and I", can do "Monsanto's" job for them?

Analogy,
Monsanto is "the lab".
The Consumer is "the field".

Can you understand why I wouldn't approve of such a thing?

Peace,

Tim.

:peace:
 
Tim1987 said:
Miyagismokes,

I'm using the name "Monsanto", as a metaphor. So I can convey to you my theory. Because you keep asking..

Why make 100% sexual female seeds?
When the consumer "you and I", can do "Monsanto's" job for them?

Analogy,
Monsanto is "the lab".
The Consumer is "the field".

Can you understand why I wouldn't approve of such a thing?

Peace,

Tim.

:peace:
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Oh, you aren't gonna find me defending feminized seeds or nothing like that, I don't use them either.
Not that I WOULDN'T, if I can only find a certain strain feminized, I'd get it.
But I prefer to be able to breed. I don't, but when I have the space....
 
Miyagismokes said:
Oh, you aren't gonna find me defending feminized seeds or nothing like that, I don't use them either.
Not that I WOULDN'T, if I can only find a certain strain feminized, I'd get it.
But I prefer to be able to breed. I don't, but when I have the space....
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I can definitely meet you in the middle bro.
Thanks for understanding my opinion.
It's my opinion all buyers should be aware of this process. So they dont make new feminized generations.
Thats all.

Thanks mr.miyagi.
Im gonna go smoke a bowl.
bongsmilie

Take it easy mate.
Peace,

Tim.
 
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